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GN Mailbag 5/14
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I'm really worried about Nintendo DLC. DLC may be good in some ways but I really don't like the bad. I don't want to spend more money to get more tracks in Mario Kart, either give them away for free since I bought the game for 40 bucks OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
It's just a delivery & storage method. You're not going to get it for free regardless of where it is stored, so you might as well stop whining about it. If it's not stored on the disc then you have to download it and waste space on your hard drive.
its the principal of the thing...its paying for something you already have and its going too far. As much as normal DLC sucks, at least you are paying for something you dont already have.
I can't believe there are people who actually justify on-disc dlc. Personally, I don't buy any DLC whatsoever. I refuse to spend more than $60 on a single game. Even with the 3ds I won't be buying any DLC.
Damn straight.
I wholeheartedly agree with him.
@Jet Pilot
So you move to a new apartment building, its a pretty nice place, and your apartment isnt bad. Its 1.3k a month, you get 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, a living room, kitchen, and...a locked door.
Inquiring about the locked door you are told that it leads to a private sauna...not a necessary thing to have, but it sure is nice.
You ask for a the key, and he asks for a hundred dollars. Sensing your confusion he explains that instead of just building some premium rooms where renters could pay 1.4k a month instead of the standard 1.3k for an extra room, they have decided to build said room in every apartment, and simply lock it off from the renters who do not pay the extra money.
They say its to save on the utilities bill. You at first agree on that making sense, but you soon after realize that "Hey, utilities arent included in the rent, I pay for that"
You bring up this concern to the clerk, and he shrugs it off, insisting that it makes sense.
So then you decide "screw that" and pick the lock. You enjoy your new sauna for the afternoon until a knock is at the door.
Now its the apartment security, and they are kicking you out of the community for stealing their property (which you already paid for)
And no, you cant take your things, it all belongs to them now.
This is whats happening. if you dont like the idea of the apartment rental, replace with "you bought a house, previous owner wont give key"
As with so many video game topics, Extra Credits did an informative video about day 1 DLC, and quite a few of the arguments carry over.
The development team is kept on after the game is submitted for approval especially to create the DLC, so the argument that it should be free just because it's on the disc loses a lot of weight. You pay money mostly for the developer's time, not for the servers.
Would it really be too much to ask to simply not it DLC then? Calling it DLC is deceptive to the customer.
This is the best thing Jim's ever done and he's 100% correct.
Judging by some comments, this isn't just a sensationalist title and he's really going to argue this.
Can't wait to see him do it, because I think he'll be wrong.
Anyone who defends on disc DLC is a useless spineless sheep that should probably never be allowed to speak on the internet ever again.
It is without a doubt the most disgusting scam in the industry and the fact that you have people defending it is beyond sickening, I never knew gamers could be such spineless sheep.
I really hope that any game with on disc DLC fails miserably, and I really hope the nazis behind it face heavy losses for it, and most of all I hope lot's of people pirated it and cracked the on disc DLC.
I agree with Jim Sterling for once. Even a broken clock is right twice?
@MukuCookie
I can understand not always agreeing with him...but hes only right twice a day? Thats a little unfair, isnt it? ignoring his reviews and articles for destructoid, a majority of his videos bring up real problems of the industry, and real ways to fix them.
so you like online passes? you think it's normal for gamers to go ape-shovel when a reviewer gives their game an 8/10 instead of a 9/10? you think his whole piracy series was 100% wrong?
it's ok, his 5/10 kid icarus and mario kart reviews won't kill you.
@Crow
I guess you've never been out in the real world because that's a pretty lousy analogy you used.
In-laws bought a condo. Wanna use that pool that's on the property? Then you have to buy the $75 key to get through the gate.
Ever been in a hotel? You pay $100 for the room but all the contents of the mini-bar (which are already in the room you paid for) costs extra.
What you described happens all over the place. You paid for the basic service (in this case, the full game) and if you want the extras the you have the option to purchase it. You didn't pay for the additional content just because it is on the disc. You bought the game.
@Jet Pilot
Then it's simple. The easiest way to solve this is just call it another thing, rather than calling it DLC. "Premium content" would work rather nicely, and I honestly wouldn't feel ripped off if they weren't mocking us by using the name "DLC".
BigLord:
I agree, and that's exactly what Jim said as well "Don't call it DLC". They could put labels on a box stating that premium content is available on the disc for an extra price. But on disc DLC is in NO WAY necessary in the industry. It wasn't required for any generation before this one, and we STiLL got full and complete games RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. If you want to offer DLC, then fine. Put it up for extra cost online, as downloadable content, but it should not be necessary for any game to HAVE to have DLC to operate. It has only become such a big topic now, because some companies have found a new way to bilk extra money out of consumers. That's it. As Jim said in the video, they (publishers/developers) should just man up and say it, because that's all it is.
Oh.
He realizes he's attracting people thinking he's going to argue one point. That point being, on-disc DLC vs. truly downloaded DLC. But what he's arguing is a point that very few people cared to argue, because very people even think about it. He's arguing that DLC isn't necessary in the first place. I understand the feeling that you need to point out something that we've all taken for granted, but this is another in a line of slimy things Jim does; he doesn't take the responsibility to point out that he's arguing a different point here than most people will think he's arguing.
That said, I agree with his argument. In fact, I'd say it's impossible to disagree with it.
I hope, I so truly hope, some of the other posters in here aren't mistaking his argument for that of an argument of on-disc DLC vs. truly downloaded DLC. Because there's no difference for the consumer. And that's something I'd say is impossible to disagree with it. People do disagree, I know, but they're just wrong. As consumers, we have a very specific freedom; to decide if what they are selling us is worth the money.
Jet Pilot you are insufferable and a shining example of what is wrong with the gaming community.
It actually frightens me how ignorant, gullible and willing to bend over for companies some people are getting. On GameFAQs, one of the first responses to "will you still buy the on-disc SFXT content" was '"yes because i'm not poor." Holy shovel some people are sheep.
There IS no justification for a practice like this.
On another note, i too am very worried about Nintendo and DLC... with the 360, anything i've bought is bound to a profile/account that I can access from anywhere, and also back-up said DLC to external hard drive or USB stick. If my 3DS died right now, or my Wii, anything I bought virtually is simply gone. Nintendo better follow through with a proper account system.
yeah, just going to chime in and say that jim is right. there's no justification. anyone who says otherwise is a sucker. on disc DLC wasn't a thing until this generation. how can it be a necessary evil if it was never needed before?
DLC works for some stuff. if you have a large install base for something like halo it makes sense to release map packs for multiplayer. it's obvious though that DLC is widely abused. horse armor... costumes... EXP boosts... all that sort of stuff makes me want to vomit.
@Jet Pilot
Be that as it may, it's defeating the point of DLC and is still a sleazy tactic.
DLC was meant to be a way to add content to games later. Generally stuff that fans asked for. Not stuff that companies came up with ahead of time and before the game was even shipped off to be made into a disc and then sold to you separately.
Is it more convenient for you and developers, and cheaper for them? Yes. It costs them loads to host and upload it to PSN and XBLA. But that doesn't make it okay. Neither does any of the 'real-world' examples. It's still stupid.
Companies like Capcom essentially just realized they could take Unlockables and charge you for them.
The other problem is that Capcom doesn't seem to give a crap. At least some companies try to pretend they aren't cheating you out of stuff they finished months ago and stuck on your disc. Capcom just goes and says "yeah. it's on the disc. We don't want to bother making characters later for you to download because it's too hard".
And then they have the balls to charge $20 for characters that you have on your disc, and are available for free on Vita?
Meh.
I know what you're saying. I don't really like Jim, but I have to support him on this one.
I think DLC is only good and enticing when it adds to thescenario of a game you like. The best example I've seen and haven't played it Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare, since its another take to John Marston story and for being a what if scenario. In fighting games I think is harder to do since not many times de new DLC character is one that you'll end playing with.
Also has anyone notice how many games are trying to resell their games with their complete edition games. I think that could backslash awfully it becomes a trend.
@Vonter
Lovely avatar.
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