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- 3 pokemon titles for DS in usa (Pokemon Conquest, Black/White 2)
- 3DS post xmas in japan success has accelerated while not overseas
- Only has 6 in top 20 titles in usa versus over 15 in top 20 in japan, usa should be 3x jp performance
- views super smach bros 2 as key to usa and will have long term demand
- 3ds has only 2, 3, 2 titles in top 20 in germany, france, spain respectively, 2 in UK
Nintendo DS
Pokemon Black/White – 14.71 million
New Super Mario Bros. – 29.09 million
Mario Kart DS – 22.57 million
Professor Layton and the Last Specter – 1.25 million
Kirby Mass Attack – 1.06 million
Nintendo 3DS
Super Mario 3D Land – 5.84 million
Mario Kart 7 – 5.24 million
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D – 2.61 million
Pokemon Rumble Blast – 1.08 million
Wii
Mario Kart Wii – 32.44 million
New Super Mario Bros. Wii – 26.26 million
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword: 3.52 million
Wii Sports – 79.60 million
Wii Sports Resort – 30.14 million
Wii Fit Plus – 20.48 million
Super Mario Galaxy – 10.68 million
Kirby’s Return to Dream Land – 1.31 million
Wii Play: Motion – 1.26 million
- WiiU - will launch this year in jp,us,eu and australia, more details at E3
- Wii U price will not be revealed at E3
- 3ds standard title globally includes mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help
- Launching 3ds in korea tomorrow,planning other countries as well, now talking about the potential of digital
- New super mario bros 2 will be offered for packaged or full download to SD card
- Digital buys will also include retail as a place for payment and download, but said "it does look complicated" in demo
- game life is getting shorter, hence retailers carry fewer titles, digital will help retail as inventory risk reduced
- Don't expect a big price difference between retail and digital as digital will be sold at retailers, will be available at WiiU launch
- Digital pricing will be set by retailers and not Nintendo
- Overall focused on improving quality, and having long term relationship with customers, hopeful digital will long term
Corporate Management Policy Briefing/Financial Results Briefing for the 72nd Fiscal Term Ended March 2012 - Outline & Company President's Presentation
- Want to find Wii Sports equivalent for Wii U, cannot explain for competitive reasons, will not just rework Wii Sports for Wii U release
- Digital - on concerns download will take too long, said that's why can buy media direct or do so late at night
- WiiU - will need to consider social game play, cannot say more
- Won't comment on wholesale price to retail for digital versus packaged
- On hardware - customers don't want the console, they buy it for the software
- Have learnt lesson of 3ds launch, as a result WiiU will have very rich line-up from the beginning, a few rich titles
- Claimed overseas 3DS support was rising, will catch up to japan by E3 so not worried about jp v. international performance
- Forecast profit this year is not nintendo type and not a satisfactory level
- Demand for 3ds in eu/us has been been rather very weak, think 3rd year crucial and then if surge will achieve nintendo like profits
- Won't go all digital as it doesn't suit all users, want win-win relationship with retailers.
- Digital wholesale price will not be the same as packaged as inventory risk is different
- Iwata doesn't think retail margins will be coming down as a result of digital. Finished
- 3 pokemon titles for DS in usa (Pokemon Conquest, Black/White 2)
- 3DS post xmas in japan success has accelerated while not overseas
- Only has 6 in top 20 titles in usa versus over 15 in top 20 in japan, usa should be 3x jp performance
- views super smach bros 2 as key to usa and will have long term demand
- 3ds has only 2, 3, 2 titles in top 20 in germany, france, spain respectively, 2 in UK
Nintendo DS
Pokemon Black/White – 14.71 million
New Super Mario Bros. – 29.09 million
Mario Kart DS – 22.57 million
Professor Layton and the Last Specter – 1.25 million
Kirby Mass Attack – 1.06 million
Nintendo 3DS
Super Mario 3D Land – 5.84 million
Mario Kart 7 – 5.24 million
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D – 2.61 million
Pokemon Rumble Blast – 1.08 million
Wii
Mario Kart Wii – 32.44 million
New Super Mario Bros. Wii – 26.26 million
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword: 3.52 million
Wii Sports – 79.60 million
Wii Sports Resort – 30.14 million
Wii Fit Plus – 20.48 million
Super Mario Galaxy – 10.68 million
Kirby’s Return to Dream Land – 1.31 million
Wii Play: Motion – 1.26 million
- WiiU - will launch this year in jp,us,eu and australia, more details at E3
- Wii U price will not be revealed at E3
- 3ds standard title globally includes mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help
- Launching 3ds in korea tomorrow,planning other countries as well, now talking about the potential of digital
- New super mario bros 2 will be offered for packaged or full download to SD card
- Digital buys will also include retail as a place for payment and download, but said "it does look complicated" in demo
- game life is getting shorter, hence retailers carry fewer titles, digital will help retail as inventory risk reduced
- Don't expect a big price difference between retail and digital as digital will be sold at retailers, will be available at WiiU launch
- Digital pricing will be set by retailers and not Nintendo
- Overall focused on improving quality, and having long term relationship with customers, hopeful digital will long term
- Want to find Wii Sports equivalent for Wii U, cannot explain for competitive reasons, will not just rework Wii Sports for Wii U release
- Digital - on concerns download will take too long, said that's why can buy media direct or do so late at night
- WiiU - will need to consider social game play, cannot say more
- Won't comment on wholesale price to retail for digital versus packaged
- On hardware - customers don't want the console, they buy it for the software
- Have learnt lesson of 3ds launch, as a result WiiU will have very rich line-up from the beginning, a few rich titles
- Claimed overseas 3DS support was rising, will catch up to japan by E3 so not worried about jp v. international performance
- Forecast profit this year is not nintendo type and not a satisfactory level
- Demand for 3ds in eu/us has been been rather very weak, think 3rd year crucial and then if surge will achieve nintendo like profits
- Won't go all digital as it doesn't suit all users, want win-win relationship with retailers.
- Digital wholesale price will not be the same as packaged as inventory risk is different
- Iwata doesn't think retail margins will be coming down as a result of digital. Finished
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Demand for 3ds in eu/us has been been rather very weak, think 3rd year crucial and then if surge will achieve nintendo like profits
Well, for the UK and Europe side, you did leave the retailers to set our launch pricepoint - showing a lack of faith in us from the offset! >->
How much you want to bet the reason they won't announce the price at E3 is to gauge interest? If this is the case everyone needs to ignore the system then it'll be cheaper.
So I think you can get it either way. You have two options when going digital, either nintendo's price, or retailers price if you got a code from them. The advantage is that retailers might give you a discount, and lower the price eventualy.
Won't go all digital as it doesn't suit all users, want win-win relationship with retailers.
Digital wholesale price will not be the same as packaged as inventory risk is different
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Iwata doesn't think retail margins will be coming down as a result of digital. Finished
Actually, this is great news. It shows that Nintendo is the only one who gets it. Sony, MS and 3rd parties seem to think that they're going to go digital and cut retailers out of the loop. Problem is, who's going to stock your systems then? Retails don't make hardly anything on hardware. They make all their money on peripherals and software sales. You cut them out of the loop and who's going to sell your hardware? GameStop?
Sure it means higher prices for consumers but you'll be able to continue to purchase Nintendo hardware at retailers around the world. If Sony or MS go completely digital it will only be a matter of time before their hardware disappears from retails shelves as well. Where will you be buying their hardware from then? Their digital stores which require you to have their systems before you can even access them?
Trying to cut retail out has been one of the stupidest things this industry has been trying to pull off for years now.
Nintendo is the only one that's getting this right so far.
And maybe juuuust maybe the Wii U price point isn't being divulged at E3 because everything won't be finalized until a few months after.
So much misinterpretation and jumping to conclusions going on in here.
understood
they already know how much the wiiu will cost to build and how much they are going to sell it for. It figures into their projections. I was complaining about the lack of an account system for digital titles. Can you imagine steam if it was tied to my hardware instead of an account, I wouldn't have a steam library of well over a thousand dollars that's for sure.
@internet
And who the hell cares about that by now? Besides, the vita is not sold at profit, they get profit if you buy the mem card; and the 3ds was originaly being sold at a profit, had their launch library been good and e-shop fully working at day one the system wouldnt have gone down on price. Stop spamming that quote already.
That's my point though. You're jumping to conclusions. None of this has been confirmed as being something they are going to do or not do. You don't know yet. They could reveal this at E3. And they do not have everything nailed down in terms of actual price for the Wii U yet. There are a lot of things for them to figure out still that E3 will play a part in. Such as industry response and interest to what they reveal as well as third parties who are still not on board yet. They don't want another 3DS pricing scenario on their hands again. They want to make sure they get the price point right. Trust me on that. Just relax man and let the real facts come out in the next month approximately.
Trust me. they know exactly the costs and prices they will charge. They are a huge business. those things had to be factored into their earning projections. the launch of a new hardware platform is a huge undertaking. at this point, everything (save things you can change via software) are set in stone, the hardware is final, etc. There is nothing left for them to figure out internally. there is only what they haven't not shared publicly.
Huge companies have to plan out well in advance, they can not change things on short notice.
Anyone else disappointed at the lack of the Fatal Frame/Project Zero 2 remake for the WIi in NA?
Also, I hope we get all those awesome 3DS titles Japan is getting. I wants me some Dragon Quest Monsters remake and some Rune Factory 4~!
I'm sorry but I don't believe that Nintendo has nailed down the final price point yet at all. Sure they know how much it costs to manufacture the hardware, but knowing the right price point to sell it at is and entirely different beast all together and after what Sony did with the PS3 at its launch and Nintendo themselves somewhat did with the 3DS, they are going to gauge industry interest and third party support interest in their decision on what price point they are going to settle at and how much of a loss, if any, they are willing to settle for.
Case in point. The 3DS price was cut just six months after launch. You've seen how that both helped and hurt Nintendo. Trust me. They don't want another pricing snafu. They don't want to over or under price the Wii U. E3 will help them put this into better perspective.
I would have loved to been a fly on the wall in those meetings, I'd bet good money they made that choice 2 months into the 3ds. and still even at 6months, it threw a serious wrench into their plans. business does not function well in uncertainty.
They can't be so full of hubris to jack up the price based on reaction from a trade show, the average customer doesn't follow the video game news or watch e3 presentations. in the case of the 3ds all they saw was a handheld with no games that cost as much as a 360. they can not be so short sighted to repeat the same mistakes. They probably going to have to fight an up hill battle against the uninformed customer who thinks the wiiu is just the tablet controller and is simply another wii addon.
In short i think that what frenchfryguy is trying to say is this, even with all manufacturing costs nailed down, E3 is what will determine if Nintendo tries to sell this at a profit or go the 3DS route and take a loss on the first FY units in order to meet a price point that will jive with consumer reactions. Aka they know how much they WANT to charge us for it, but they don't know how easily they can get away with setting the price point. So keep your interest plutonic and hope for a console at $250.
Those are some crazy sales numbers for both New Super Mario Bros games and Mario Kart Wii. Without pack in numbers, I bet both NSMB games have now surpassed SMB3 as the best selling Mario titles of all time. Also good to see Galaxy get above that 10 million mark too.
Also was very surprised to see Skyward Sword has moved 3.5 million in 6 months. Not bad at all considering the Wii is on life support at this point.
You have quite a bit of hubris to talk about Nintendo's hubris when everyone and they're mother was telling them that they could easily get away with that price point. Certain high profile people were telling them that they could get away with an even higher price point. Hubris would be Nintendo deciding to charge $600 for it and telling gamers that they'd be willing to get a second job just to buy one.
No, that's what you saw. You're opinion is not fact. The early issues with the 3DS were with Nintendo giving 3rd parties the limelight and they squandered it and nearly ran the system into the ground. I'm sure Nintendo knew they were going to try and screw them but I don't think they realized by just how much. The price cut was forced by 3rd parties who, clamming they couldn't compete with Nintendo's own games, nearly tanked the follow up to the most successful handheld system of all time even when given everything they said they wanted.
You forgot to mention this up hill battle was completely invented by the gaming media press in an attempt to sabotage the system. When was the last time you saw most of the gaming sites, knowing full well they just saw the reveal of a completely new system, go back to their sites and start spreading rumors that they weren't sure if they saw a new system of just an add-on for the existing one? That's never happened before. Ever.
But it happened with the Wii U. Even thought there's never been any confusion like that before. Not even when the new systems looked and/or play exactly the same to the last one. Some even have the exact same controller! Yet no confusion there.
Lay the blame where it really belongs.
yes, that's it. there is a massive conspiracy on the part of the third parties. they hate money, they don't want to make it all.
They're making huge leeps over what they were doing a year or 2 ago. I'm very excited to see what all exactly this entails.
Um... Where did you get that from? 3rd parties LOVE money. They just don't want to put in any effort to get it. They're so used to Sony and MS, in their bids to outdo each other, throwing money at them or advertising their titles for them or any other number of idiotic things they've been doing for years in order to get 3rd parties to prefer them. Thing is, we're starting to see the issues of that kind of business. Issues like 3rd parties following Sony and MS right over the cliff into the HD era. Not even they were willing to prop up 3rd parties as much as they needed to in order to keep the industry from seeing such massive losses this generation.
As for the conspiracy from the gaming media, sorry to tell you but it does exist. Again, explain how the Wii U went from a know new console (if I knew this then all the news sites knew it as they had access to all sorts of behind the scenes info directly from Nintendo themselves) to an unconfirmed maybe it's a new console or maybe it's an add-on controller for the Wii. There is no way any of these sites didn't know exactly what it was and yet, what did they post? We're not sure what it really is.
That is a conspiracy any way you want to slice it.
Prove to me that there is any way that they couldn't know what the Wii U was and I'll believe you and admit I'm wrong. You can't though because that would require you to believe that Nintendo didn't send them any information before hand, let alone the numerous leaks before E3 confirming the new system, and that none of them were watching the same E3 conference that I was.
The stupidity is, and continues to be, palpable.
i was gonna say this. everybody attending nintendo's presentation at E3 better put on their best poker faces!
@void3953 Yep. I've been saying for awhile that third parties are pandered to just a wee much on the PS360.
The industry will literally always gush about a new Mario or Zelda, but beyond that...? Nintendo does what Nintendo wants. And that scares the heck out of them!
I'm still going to want my game box and instruction booklet.
The biggest issue with Sony and MS and the way they deal with 3rd parties is after a while you begin to end up with 3rd parties who are no longer interested in what the market wants but what they think Sony and MS would be most likely to pay them for. Everyone wants to be the next developer to get paid $50 million for a couple pieces of DLC ala MS and GTA4.
That's one of the things that went really wrong this generation. Most developers were so interested in what they could get out of Sony and MS that they completely ignored what was really going on.
Cool RollerCoaster Tycoon is on the Europe list of third party games and Animal Crossing is TBD for Europe hope it comes this year
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