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Nintendo unsure of bringing Fire Emblem: Awakening outside of Japan

It is generally said that game titles for skilled players sell a lot in a fairly short period of time after their launch and it is difficult for them to be long-sellers. We will nevertheless make “Kid Icarus: Uprising,” which was released worldwide last month and has been highly appraised by users, known to consumers who like action games into an evergreen title.

In addition, regarding “Fire Emblem Kakusei” (Japanese title), which was released last week in Japan, its initial sales figure reached the record-high in the series since the GameBoy Advance and we have received a lot of messages from the Club Nintendo members that they bought a game from the series after a long interval. Although we have not decided on a plan to release it overseas, we hope to further increase its sales.

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26 Apr 2012 23:00

*Sigh* Comments (by Nintendo regarding Fire Emblem) like this really cause me to hesitate getting a Wii U. I'm tired of dealing with titles of theirs (that are not Mario or Zelda) not coming out either at all or in a timely fashion. Wii U would be the only system I get going forward do my enjoyment of Nintendo's IPs but more talk like this makes it very hard for me to want to follow any gaming news regarding it and to rush out and get it day one. This is about Fire Emblem but I think this goes to how they handle games in general and how they will handle game going forward.

They need to realize they are global company and what they say in Japan gets picked up and what they advertise is for all to see. There are times I wish I didn't like their games so much so I could just walk away and not deal with this annoyance.
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26 Apr 2012 23:03

palancas7 wrote:But it was announced for Europe during the Jan/Feb Nintendo Direct.

And who do you think has the final word on that, Nintendo of Europe or Satoru Iwata? Therein lies the problem. Nintendo is contradicting itself.

PaperLink64 wrote:It's the best selling Fire Emblem in Japan since the first GBA one, of course it's coming over.

Not only is that not a solid reason to be so sure, that isn't even correct. Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi was never the best selling game in the series, and this game has yet to surpass it still.
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26 Apr 2012 23:44

palancas7 wrote:But it was announced for Europe during the Jan/Feb Nintendo Direct.


Yes, but the same went for Pokemon Conquest. That immediately changed to 'No Plans' if you recall. I've heard it'll get announced at E3 for an early '13 release.
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26 Apr 2012 23:51

Effect wrote:*Sigh* Comments (by Nintendo regarding Fire Emblem) like this really cause me to hesitate getting a Wii U. I'm tired of dealing with titles of theirs (that are not Mario or Zelda) not coming out either at all or in a timely fashion. Wii U would be the only system I get going forward do my enjoyment of Nintendo's IPs but more talk like this makes it very hard for me to want to follow any gaming news regarding it and to rush out and get it day one. This is about Fire Emblem but I think this goes to how they handle games in general and how they will handle game going forward.

They need to realize they are global company and what they say in Japan gets picked up and what they advertise is for all to see. There are times I wish I didn't like their games so much so I could just walk away and not deal with this annoyance.

The problem is that with the yen so strong, it's not profitable to export riskier games here. They don't do charity, and they are not obligated to sell us games. They could decide to close down NoA and NoE tomorrow if they thought it would be profitable for them (it would be utterly stupid, but they CAN).
What I fear is not that Nintendo is doing that, it's that almost all Japanese developers are starting to think like this. How many Japanese 3DS games we never saw and that we'll never see from third party? A lot. In fact, a lot more than Nintendo released there. It's one of the reason the games release are looking weak here comparing to Japan even though Nintendo localize the great majority of their games. The third parties don't. And it makes me sad, because they are SO MUCH closer to my tastes in games than the ones we gets here. :(
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26 Apr 2012 23:53

Since were on the topic, if this is allowed, would anyone know where to find translation patches for FE's1-6? If I ever get a tactics itch :p
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27 Apr 2012 00:00

We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.

An ambiguous tweet from someone who attended the Investor Briefing had this to say "3ds standard title globally include mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help" as well.

Odds are extremely high that Fire Emblem: Awakening is coming our way. They've done everything they possibly can to confirm a stateside release EXCEPT confirm it. Why? Because E3 is six weeks away. They're scared / being coy / skirting the issue to maximize E3 hype. One of the Nintendo big wigs is going to show off the trailer with some smooth-talking quote like "You knew this was coming all along."

Relax and stay optimistic.
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27 Apr 2012 00:07

Waluigi wrote:Since were on the topic, if this is allowed, would anyone know where to find translation patches for FE's1-6? If I ever get a tactics itch :p

http://serenesforest.net/general/patch.html

I've played all of these games except for New Mystery of the Emblem with these translation patches, and bar one or two of them, I think they're all pretty excellent. Enjoy.

radical_defect wrote:We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.

An ambiguous tweet from someone who attended the Investor Briefing had this to say "3ds standard title globally include mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help" as well.

Odds are extremely high that Fire Emblem: Awakening is coming our way. They've done everything they possibly can to confirm a stateside release EXCEPT confirm it. Why? Because E3 is six weeks away. They're scared / being coy / skirting the issue to maximize E3 hype. One of the Nintendo big wigs is going to show off the trailer with some smooth-talking quote like "You knew this was coming all along."

Relax and stay optimistic.

I don't know about 2 or 5 really meaning anything, but I agree with your reasoning that the likelihood that the game will see a North American release is still pretty high, regardless of this seemingly condescending news that's almost counteractive to that belief.
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27 Apr 2012 00:16

YoshiRider123 wrote:
Waluigi wrote:Since were on the topic, if this is allowed, would anyone know where to find translation patches for FE's1-6? If I ever get a tactics itch :p

http://serenesforest.net/general/patch.html

I've played all of these games except for New Mystery of the Emblem with these translation patches, and bar one or two of them, I think they're all pretty excellent. Enjoy.

radical_defect wrote:We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.

An ambiguous tweet from someone who attended the Investor Briefing had this to say "3ds standard title globally include mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help" as well.

Odds are extremely high that Fire Emblem: Awakening is coming our way. They've done everything they possibly can to confirm a stateside release EXCEPT confirm it. Why? Because E3 is six weeks away. They're scared / being coy / skirting the issue to maximize E3 hype. One of the Nintendo big wigs is going to show off the trailer with some smooth-talking quote like "You knew this was coming all along."

Relax and stay optimistic.


I don't know about 2 or 5 really meaning anything, but I agree with your reasoning that the likelihood that the game will see a North American release is still pretty high, regardless of this seemingly condescending news that's almost counteractive to that belief.


Nintendo has been scared of hardcore games for what seems like this entire console generation. Despite the somewhat condescending, worrisome tone that this story sets, I am remaining optimistic for our chances. To go out of their way to make knowledge of the game public (via Europe's Nintendo Direct and an article in Nintendo Power), then NOT release this game despite cries to "reach out to the core gamer" at last year's E3...

... would be so unbelievably contradictory that I can't even attribute [Nintendo of America] to such a folly.
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27 Apr 2012 00:34

radical_defect wrote:
YoshiRider123 wrote:
Waluigi wrote:Since were on the topic, if this is allowed, would anyone know where to find translation patches for FE's1-6? If I ever get a tactics itch :p

http://serenesforest.net/general/patch.html

I've played all of these games except for New Mystery of the Emblem with these translation patches, and bar one or two of them, I think they're all pretty excellent. Enjoy.

radical_defect wrote:We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.

An ambiguous tweet from someone who attended the Investor Briefing had this to say "3ds standard title globally include mario kart etc, but also monster hunter, fire emblem, kid icarus, plus pokemon titles on ds will help" as well.

Odds are extremely high that Fire Emblem: Awakening is coming our way. They've done everything they possibly can to confirm a stateside release EXCEPT confirm it. Why? Because E3 is six weeks away. They're scared / being coy / skirting the issue to maximize E3 hype. One of the Nintendo big wigs is going to show off the trailer with some smooth-talking quote like "You knew this was coming all along."

Relax and stay optimistic.


I don't know about 2 or 5 really meaning anything, but I agree with your reasoning that the likelihood that the game will see a North American release is still pretty high, regardless of this seemingly condescending news that's almost counteractive to that belief.


Nintendo has been scared of hardcore games for what seems like this entire console generation. Despite the somewhat condescending, worrisome tone that this story sets, I am remaining optimistic for our chances. To go out of their way to make knowledge of the game public (via Europe's Nintendo Direct and an article in Nintendo Power), then NOT release this game despite cries to "reach out to the core gamer" at last year's E3...

... would be so unbelievably contradictory that I can't even attribute [Nintendo of America] to such a folly.

Very true. Metaphorically speaking, it'd be a terrible nightmare if Nintendo of America were to ultimately not localize the game. It's one thing that it appears that they never localized the previous game (and I still don't find that justified at all), and they almost never localized Xenoblade Chronicles (that's just my belief, though, say what you will about it and Operation Rainfall) but this would most certainly cross the line. It'd be wrong, inexcusable...and just stupid.
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27 Apr 2012 00:37

Nintendo is unsure of bringing Fire Emblem: Awakening stateside even after selling that much because they don't "continue to sell" because hardcore gamers tend to know what they want and buy it right away instead of impulse buying 10 months later, uh huh, Nintendo of Europe is looking better and better by the month.
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27 Apr 2012 01:05

The only thing he said was that they hadn't decided on a plan. Which could basically mean, "we don't know in what forms and when we could release it, though it is a high possibility we well."

I personally think we'll see it over here, but really, it's not surprising that they don't have a (solid) plan for releasing it overseas, and they technically shouldn't quite yet.

Probably, they'll look over ways to offer it to fans outside of Japan without being too risky but still pleasing everyone.


@AnoukiAgentYellow
That's a pretty good point. I'm sure that's been mentioned too (not here specifically). The sales might even be relatively high when it releases here, but they might not be steady like they tend to be in Japan.
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27 Apr 2012 01:11

It's obvious a game like this isn't going to be a long tail seller, but if a company like NIS can bring over all their Disgaea games because they know exactly how many they'd need to sell in order to be profitable, then so should Nintendo. They should being it over, if anything, to capitalize on all the new TRPG fans that will be created after playing Pokemon Conquest.
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27 Apr 2012 01:12

Buried the lead:
"We will nevertheless make “KID ICARUS: Uprising,” which was released worldwide last month and has been highly appraised by users, known to consumers who like action games into an EVERGREEN TITLE."
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27 Apr 2012 01:22

radical_defect wrote:We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.


What? None of these points are good.

1. Maybe?
2. Yeah, American fans just can't wait to pay money so they can play as Alm and relive Fire Emblem Gaiden.
3. So does Disaster Day of Crisis.
4. So was FE3, 4, and 6. None of those came out.
5. Just cause something sold in Japan doesn't mean it'll sell in America.
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27 Apr 2012 01:44

Well, time to play the waiting game. If it doesn't come, oh well. What happens, happens. You guys willing to carry that weight?
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27 Apr 2012 01:54

This sounds more like a confirmation without an actual confirmation. I'm really hopeful of this E3 for this game and I can't wait to experience these games.
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27 Apr 2012 02:03

Terranigma Freak wrote:
radical_defect wrote:We have:

1) An announcement for Europe during the Nintendo Direct on February 22nd which had the "release date / plans to be determined" stamp upon it.
2) The fact that it's the first ever Nintendo-published game to include DLC
3) A USA domain trademark, and
4) An article about the game (and Bravely Default) in the May issue of Nintendo Power concerning games "popular in Japan" in addition to
5) really good sales so far.


What? None of these points are good.

1. Maybe?
2. Yeah, American fans just can't wait to pay money so they can play as Alm and relive Fire Emblem Gaiden.
3. So does Disaster Day of Crisis.
4. So was FE3, 4, and 6. None of those came out.
5. Just cause something sold in Japan doesn't mean it'll sell in America.


1. ?
2. Referring to Nintendo beginning to actually get involved in the DLC arena and you never.actually brought something up that disproved his point.
3. And so do plent of other games that ended up releasing here, namely those supported by OPR.
4. It's a good sign, you're acting like he said it was a smoking gun.
5. Many people get that wrong. While slightly out of date, there was a video posted by one of IGN's Nintendo crew guys showing that about 41 of Nintendo's last 45 games that were released globally sold roughly 4 times better here than in Japan.

It's not each point individually that gives this a good chance but all of them together.
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27 Apr 2012 03:44

Wait, I thought this game was coming to Europe, right? Isn't it? O_O
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27 Apr 2012 04:43

Terranigma Freak wrote:
What? None of these points are good.

1. Maybe?
2. Yeah, American fans just can't wait to pay money so they can play as Alm and relive Fire Emblem Gaiden.
3. So does Disaster Day of Crisis.
4. So was FE3, 4, and 6. None of those came out.
5. Just cause something sold in Japan doesn't mean it'll sell in America.

Some stuff does sell better here, from time to time. Zelda games are more popular here, and I'm fairly sure they tend to sell better. I don't think (I am simply assuming) that we have a larger fanbase for FE here, if it's even comparable, but the title may end up selling very well anyway.

They could always try to "forecast" sales by having a poll on Club Nintendo or something. There are safe, smart ways for them to bring it over. It's not like it's going to do terrible no matter what and that they can expect it to fail (and thus justify potential reasons for not releasing it in other regions).
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27 Apr 2012 07:00

Anyone has a Japanese Wii? Someone who has Radiant Dawn? Play Maniac Mode and show it off to NoA and NCL
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27 Apr 2012 08:44

Depends on how well it goes in Europe, I suppose.
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27 Apr 2012 11:21

Nintendo you sicken me at times
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28 Apr 2012 09:24

Star Luigi wrote:
2. Referring to Nintendo beginning to actually get involved in the DLC arena and you never.actually brought something up that disproved his point.


Your confusion pretty much confirms my point. I was talking about DLC nobody understands or care about. Great way to sell DLC huh? Selling stuff people don't know or care about.
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28 Apr 2012 13:34

Terranigma Freak wrote:
Star Luigi wrote:
2. Referring to Nintendo beginning to actually get involved in the DLC arena and you never.actually brought something up that disproved his point.


Your confusion pretty much confirms my point. I was talking about DLC nobody understands or care about. Great way to sell DLC huh? Selling stuff people don't know or care about.

This isn't any different from the existence and localization of Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, a remake of an archaic game that non-Japanese markets generally weren't familiar with.

You can't just assume that no one would buy nostalgic products like these because they never experienced the history behind them before. Nay, the very fact that they never have experienced the history before is practically as good of an incentive to get them as if it was completely new instead.

The argument you make with that is just poor.
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28 Apr 2012 14:30

Terranigma Freak wrote:
2. Yeah, American fans just can't wait to pay money so they can play as Alm and relive Fire Emblem Gaiden.

Alm and Leaf? Perhaps.

But I'm pretty sure that people would definitely be familiar with Marth, probably familiar with Micaiah, and at least vaguely familiar with Roy. Though it's true that half of the series hasn't been localized, half has. People who care about the series here but haven't looked into its first half would still know Eliwood and Lyn and Hector and Ephraim and Eirika and Ike and Micaiah and Marth... and thanks to Melee, Roy as well. That's at least nine potential missions, even if only two of them have currently been fulfilled.

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