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Pokemon Black/White 2 - Iwata Asks

This Iwata Asks feature includes input from Pokemon Company CEO Tsunekazu Ishihara and Game Freak development head Junichi Masuda.

- decision to make the sequel came about after the first was completed
- the team decided to move away from what users would expect by creating this sequel
- during Black & White's development, the dev team had an idea that they could not put in the game due to time constraints
- this idea required the release of two SKUs
- that's how we ended up with Black and White 2
- the idea to turn this into a sequel for Black and White came later in development
- takes place two years after the original
- the fact that it's a direct sequel explains why the title is hitting DS instead of 3DS

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13 Jun 2012 22:57

"the fact that it's a direct sequel explains why the title is hitting DS instead of 3DS"
...okay, i'm pretty sure it's just gamefreak being lazy/greedy though
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13 Jun 2012 23:04

"the fact that it's a direct sequel explains why the title is hitting DS instead of 3DS"
Uh no by that logic every single pokemon game after gs should been made for gameboy/gameboy color
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13 Jun 2012 23:10

It's a direct sequel because it takes place in the same region and follows the same story of Black & White.
Still, it looks like an enjoyable game.
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14 Jun 2012 00:37

I'm glad it's coming out on the DS...I have 3 DS systems, and can play both games, one on each system and trade back and forth for stuff and pokemon. I dont have a 2nd 3DS...am waiting for a 3DS/XL type system before getting a 2nd 3DS system.
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14 Jun 2012 00:39

Yep, because everyone was so clamoring for yet another main series DS Pokemon game after having 5 already on the outdated system...

No one and I mean no one would have minded if GameFreak took like another year and developed Black and White on the 3DS w/ Pokedex 3D models. Hell, they could have took 2 years. And maybe then, BW2 wouldn't have been such a weird decision...

And if they stick by their statement, Pokemon White may have been my last Pokemon game. If it won't get no better than this, then I don't have a reason to continue to support lazy developers...And that pains me, because I love Pokemon...
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14 Jun 2012 00:49

Sneakers wrote:I'm glad it's coming out on the DS...I have 3 DS systems, and can play both games, one on each system and trade back and forth for stuff and pokemon. I dont have a 2nd 3DS...am waiting for a 3DS/XL type system before getting a 2nd 3DS system.


What kind thinking is that? It's like saying I don't want to see pokemon at it's finest until I'm prepared for it. Some of us actually wished to see blacks story being driven to greater heights through the 3ds hardware, even if we didn't own the hardware. Who knows how gen 6's story/characters/pokemon will compare and frankly, all this wasted potential leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.
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14 Jun 2012 01:53

Sneakers wrote:I'm glad it's coming out on the DS...I have 3 DS systems, and can play both games, one on each system and trade back and forth for stuff and pokemon. I dont have a 2nd 3DS...am waiting for a 3DS/XL type system before getting a 2nd 3DS system.




.....you do know that the 3DS and DS can interact with each other in pokemon games the exact same way two DS's can, right?
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14 Jun 2012 02:07

They better deliver on a Wii U Pokemon. No more crap Battle Revolutions. Coincidentally I wrote a blog on IGN about the awesome ways the Wii U could be used for Pokemon. Check it out :)

http://www.ign.com/blogs/brianxbang/201 ... -u-an-idea
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14 Jun 2012 02:24

@Jirachi

Except for the fact that Gen 3 takes place during Gen 1 and Gen 4 takes place during Gen 2.

They aren't direct sequels to Gold/Silver.

Gold/Silver/Crystal was the only set of games that acted as a direct sequel to a previous Pokemon game prior to BW2, and was even called Pokemon 2 for a while.

RSE & DPPt were independent stories that took place around the same time frame as RGBY and GSC respectively. It wasn't until BW that we actually had games that took place *after* Gold and Silver's storyline.

So no. That logic wouldn't work at all.

@hakkai

Except, what makes you think they would've taken an extra year to add Pokedex 3D models and make a 3D game?

I can almost guarantee you that the first 3DS Pokemon title will look exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver/Black/White/Black2/White2, but with 3D layers to make the buildings and sprites pop out.

Face it, the handheld games are *never* going to be full 3D. Anyone who honestly expects that has their sights aimed too high for a company like Gamefreak.

@LegendofSantiago

Whether those play into it or not, I am pretty sure it's because it's consistent, as opposed to having BW & BW2 look completely different from each other. And because owners of BW would be able to buy BW2 without having to buy a new console to enjoy it.

ATLUS put Persona 3, Persona 4 and Devil Summoner 2 on PS2 when PS2 was dead. And they're still putting Persona 2 Eternal Punishment on PSP. I see no problem with that.

Likewise, CAPCOM put 3 MEGAMAN games on NES well into SNES's life.

God forbid a developer continue making things on something they know better. Gamefreak is slow, the fact we're even getting legit sequels so fast and plowing through Gen 5 (revealing all the Mythical Pokemon within a year) is still blowing my mind, since a generation usually takes up 3-4 years or so.

@brianxbang

I think you miss the point of SEQUEL and DIRECT SEQUEL.

Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to Zelda. Both are on NES.
Oracles are direct prequels to LA. They're all on Gameboy.
The Minish Cap is a direct prequel to Four Swords. Both are on GBA.
Majora's Mask is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time. Both are on N64.
Spirit Tracks is a 'distant direct sequel' to Phantom Hourglass. Both are on DS.

Exceptions are:
- Phantom Hourglass is a direct sequel to TWW, but is on a different system.
- Link's Awakening is a distant direct sequel to A Link to the Past, but on a handheld.
- Four Swords Adventures, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword are not direct sequels or prequels to any specific game.

So almost all the "direct sequels" are on the same system as the game they are a sequel to. Cool story bro.

Having said that, Pokemon has its own rules, and each Generation always remains on the same platform. Always.

And more importantly, I like everyone going "Oh they're lazy" when they could've just pulled a cop-out "POKEMON GRAY" where it was just BW again with a remixed Pokedex and the same story with a minor alteration in the end-half. Did you guys honestly expect a Pokemon Gray/Grey to be on 3DS? Since this basically amounts to "Pokemon Gray/Grey - But better", I don't know why people are so angsty about it. Gray/Grey would've been on DS. Remakes of Ruby and Sapphire probably would've been on DS if they were next.

Basically it sounds like everyone's butthurt because they wanted 3D model Pokemon, which is something you guys KNEW would not be in BW2 even if they were on 3DS, so there is absolutely no reason to be upset by the chosen platform.

Also, if you guys could read properly, it says that they planned two separate games from the beginning. As in, way before 3DS was announced, they were working on Black/White and had already decided on making another set of new Gen 5 DS games that eventually became sequels.

But apparently that makes waaaaay too much sense for you guys.
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14 Jun 2012 02:51

@ninjablaze

Umm, you do realise a DS can't play 3DS games right? :p Hence if this game was a 3DS game and he bought both versions how is he meant to trade if he has one 3DS to run one game and three DS systems that can't run the other game he wants to trade with?

As for the direct sequel. I think they mean the term in the way Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a direct sequel to SMG, Majora's Mask is a direct sequel to OoT, Super Mario Bros. 2 (Japan) is a direct sequel to SMB, how a lot of the Fire Emblem games have direct sequels on the same console. They are direct sequels because they recycle old materials and characters and do something new with them, rather than a generational sequel where they start from scratch.
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14 Jun 2012 03:22

MoldyClay wrote:

@brianxbang

I think you miss the point of SEQUEL and DIRECT SEQUEL.

Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to Zelda. Both are on NES.
Oracles are direct prequels to LA. They're all on Gameboy.
The Minish Cap is a direct prequel to Four Swords. Both are on GBA.
Majora's Mask is a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time. Both are on N64.
Spirit Tracks is a 'distant direct sequel' to Phantom Hourglass. Both are on DS.

Exceptions are:
- Phantom Hourglass is a direct sequel to TWW, but is on a different system.
- Link's Awakening is a distant direct sequel to A Link to the Past, but on a handheld.
- Four Swords Adventures, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword are not direct sequels or prequels to any specific game.

So almost all the "direct sequels" are on the same system as the game they are a sequel to. Cool story bro.

Having said that, Pokemon has its own rules, and each Generation always remains on the same platform. Always.

And more importantly, I like everyone going "Oh they're lazy" when they could've just pulled a cop-out "POKEMON GRAY" where it was just BW again with a remixed Pokedex and the same story with a minor alteration in the end-half. Did you guys honestly expect a Pokemon Gray/Grey to be on 3DS? Since this basically amounts to "Pokemon Gray/Grey - But better", I don't know why people are so angsty about it. Gray/Grey would've been on DS. Remakes of Ruby and Sapphire probably would've been on DS if they were next.

Basically it sounds like everyone's butthurt because they wanted 3D model Pokemon, which is something you guys KNEW would not be in BW2 even if they were on 3DS, so there is absolutely no reason to be upset by the chosen platform.

Also, if you guys could read properly, it says that they planned two separate games from the beginning. As in, way before 3DS was announced, they were working on Black/White and had already decided on making another set of new Gen 5 DS games that eventually became sequels.

But apparently that makes waaaaay too much sense for you guys.


No see that's where you're WRONG. Luigi's Mansion's DIRECT sequel went from Gamecube to 3DS. Phantom hourglass is a DIRECT sequel to Wind Waker witch was on the Gamecube. Kid Icarus? hmmm look at the gap to that. Halo 2 was on Xbox. Halo 3 was on Xbox 360. Fable was on Xbox. Fable II and III are on Xbox 360. I could make a list of hundreds of games and their sequels that are on different platforms. Successors jump ship all the time. To argue that is dumb-witted. Your logic doesn't make sense because it's only true for SOME things and in this case the ones that you want to try and make your point. Kay thanks bye :)
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14 Jun 2012 03:50

There's also the factor of compatibility. The Nintendo Network and Nintendo WiFi Connection are seperate services and cannot communicate with eachother. As such, the games wouldn't be able to battle/trade with eachother online.

People, stop moaning. It's much better for them to make the jump to the 3DS at the start of a generation where it is fully designed for the system rather than have a port of the DS engine with shinier graphics.
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14 Jun 2012 03:56

Serebii wrote:There's also the factor of compatibility. The Nintendo Network and Nintendo WiFi Connection are seperate services and cannot communicate with eachother. As such, the games wouldn't be able to battle/trade with eachother online.

People, stop moaning. It's much better for them to make the jump to the 3DS at the start of a generation where it is fully designed for the system rather than have a port of the DS engine with shinier graphics.


Glad you agree with me, Serebii. ^^

Also, can't wait to see what they will do on the 3DS. 3D in Pokémon battles will surly be cool, but I hope the'll do something bigger with it~
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14 Jun 2012 04:01

@brianxbang

Must have missed the part where I said Phantom Hourglass was an exception.

And you were arguing about Zelda games. With only two exceptions, all of the Zelda "direct sequels" are on the same console.

So no. I'm not wrong.

We were never talking about Luigi's Mansion, Halo, Kid Icarus or anything else. It's like you didn't even read my comment.

So again. I wasn't wrong because I was just talking about ZELDA, which is what YOU were TALKING ABOUT. And I SAID there were exceptions in Zelda.

As for Pokemon, I said that that series has its own rules and every GENERATION sticks to the same platform. BW2 is still Generation 5.

Try reading and comprehending my comment next time before going "LOL YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE OF EXAMPLES UNRELATED TO WHAT YOU WERE REPLYING TO"

@Serebii

This a million times.
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14 Jun 2012 04:11

MoldyClay wrote:@brianxbang

Must have missed the part where I said Phantom Hourglass was an exception.

And you were arguing about Zelda games. With only two exceptions, all of the Zelda "direct sequels" are on the same console.

So no. I'm not wrong.

We were never talking about Luigi's Mansion, Halo, Kid Icarus or anything else. It's like you didn't even read my comment.

So again. I wasn't wrong because I was just talking about ZELDA, which is what YOU were TALKING ABOUT. And I SAID there were exceptions in Zelda.

As for Pokemon, I said that that series has its own rules and every GENERATION sticks to the same platform. BW2 is still Generation 5.

Try reading and comprehending my comment next time before going "LOL YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE OF EXAMPLES UNRELATED TO WHAT YOU WERE REPLYING TO"


I wasn't talking about Zelda. You brought up Zelda. You even added it to your quote like I said something. If you can bring up new and irrelevant games, then I reserve the right to do the exact same thing. You tried to give me examples with games other than Pokemon. Therefore, I preceded to do the exact same thing. It's like you didn't even read my comment, dude. So once again; yeah, you're wrong. Goodnight, bud.
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14 Jun 2012 04:21

@brianxbang

Oh wow.

You actually went in and edited your original comment to try and make me look stupid?

I don't even know what to say. And it's not like you can deny it since the forum flat out says you edited it a good two hours later.

I think my favorite part is saying I added it to my quote, when my response had no quote.

In any case, if editing your comment makes you feel better about losing an argument, then by all means, do whatever you want.
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14 Jun 2012 04:58

MoldyClay wrote:@brianxbang

Oh wow.

You actually went in and edited your original comment to try and make me look stupid?

I don't even know what to say. And it's not like you can deny it since the forum flat out says you edited it a good two hours later.

I think my favorite part is saying I added it to my quote, when my response had no quote.

In any case, if editing your comment makes you feel better about losing an argument, then by all means, do whatever you want.


No, I edited to troll you. I got to a point where I just didn't care anymore so I decided to troll.
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14 Jun 2012 05:02

^ Please stop trolling. Seriously.

On topic. Does this mean that a Ruby/Sapphire remake is now out of the question? :(
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14 Jun 2012 09:53

MasterofMonster wrote:^ Please stop trolling. Seriously.

On topic. Does this mean that a Ruby/Sapphire remake is now out of the question? :(


Let them troll to their hearts content. — <3

And no its still not out of the question. ;)
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14 Jun 2012 10:57

Serebii wrote:There's also the factor of compatibility. The Nintendo Network and Nintendo WiFi Connection are seperate services and cannot communicate with eachother. As such, the games wouldn't be able to battle/trade with eachother online.

People, stop moaning. It's much better for them to make the jump to the 3DS at the start of a generation where it is fully designed for the system rather than have a port of the DS engine with shinier graphics.

This, a MILLION times.

I don't get why people would like to start everything over on their 3DS and be separated by millions of other B&W users. I also don't get why people would want a B&W 2 title that is exactly the same as one that would be on the DS but with 3D layers.
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14 Jun 2012 11:03

@brianxbang

Right. I know how tough it is to just say "Oh, I was wrong" or simply not reply after that. After one stressful rebuttal.

But good. I ain't even mad though, bro. Just dumbfounded.

@MasterofMonster

Not necessarily. Ruby & Sapphire don't turn 10 until next year. So there's still another potential year.

FireRed & LeafGreen was like 8 years after RBGY, but HeartGold & SoulSilver was 10 years after GSC (going by JapanTime).

@Autosaver

It's because everyone was convinced it would've used Pokedex 3D's graphics.

Some of us obviously know better and that it'd just be 3D layers of the same graphics we've seen for 2 generations.
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14 Jun 2012 18:15

Shut up! Shut up! My god you guys complain so much. Who cares if it's not on 3DS? It's not suppose to be on the fucking system! Damn it. You guys piss me off so much. You type this on every single game series that doesn't jump ship and go to your fucking precious 3DS! The DS isn't even dead!

Personally I think some of the 3DS's graphics look crappy if you don't use the 3D! What if it hurts your eyes?! You won't get the best graphics.

Pokemon is a series I enjoy. It seems like they always try their best to get the best graphics on the system that they are on. I'll play it no matter what system it is. That's what a true fan would do.
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14 Jun 2012 21:52

I can't wait to get the games
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16 Jun 2012 16:46

^^^ This guy win the argument. ;)

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