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The Nintendo/Retro/Rare RUMOR of your dreams

Out of all the rumors I've come across over the years, this one would be the ultimate if it came true. It involves Nintendo looking into working with RARE again, all in the name of having Banjo Kazooie return. On top of all that, the rumor states that Retro Studios is actually working on a Banjo Kazooie title, but it can't go through without the deal with RARE.

I think this is 10000000000% bogus...but I want it to be true so badly.

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20 Jul 2012 03:46

Have Nintendo buy the Banjo IP back, give it to Retro. That's all that really needs to be done.
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20 Jul 2012 04:21

While unlikely, I'd hate to find out that the game Retro were working on was Banjo Kazooie! I can't say I hold it to high esteem like other fanboys do, it was enjoyable though. Retro would do a better job than Rare would today but there are far more better franchises I'd like to see revived by them and to be honest I am really hoping their next game is actually something brand new.
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20 Jul 2012 04:29

sergiomonty wrote:One doesn't simply criticize one of the best platformers of the current generation just because "the baddies look dumber than the kremlings". DKCR is in fact an excellent game, and a nice tribute to the old series.

HylianHeroLOZ wrote:@Mirr0rR3flection

Oh get over it the kremlings not being in there did not make it less of an awesome DKC game more then any other.

Did I ever say it wasn't an excellent or awesome game DKC game with my post? No, I didn't.

I actually liked DKCR and expected more from it. I still stand by what I said. -_-
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20 Jul 2012 04:31

My DREAM would be for a new traditional B-K game on the Wii U [though not made by Nintendo themselves - doubt they could handle anything that isn't Mario], and for them to be in SSB4 - AKA not in this universe... :(
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20 Jul 2012 04:42

Oh please don't be real... if Retro are only working on Banjo Kazooie, I will be extremely dissapointed. D:
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20 Jul 2012 05:18

Oh come on, Zelda Informer has never posted a single exciting rumour that actually turned out to be true. Plenty that ended up being completely discredited, yes, but not one that turned out to be true.

Not to mention that Nintendo doesn't need Banjo. I loved Banjo, but with 3D Marios doing as well as they have done, I can't see what they'd get out of it. Something like Perfect Dark or maybe Conker would be the more worthwhile parts of this acquisition, but I still can't see it.

Oh, and the fact that this is from Zelda Informer can't be stressed enough.
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20 Jul 2012 05:28

Hope Nintendo's offer is no more than $1 because that's about how much RARE is worth these days. Oh, and I don't buy this "rumor" one bit either, but that's neither here nor there. The fact still remains that RARE isn't worth spit these days.
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20 Jul 2012 05:54

as much as it sounds nice, i'd rather nintendo buy off their good I.Ps like jet force gemini and killer instinct and give them to retro and themselves to make new games out of those franchises for the 3DS, wii U.
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20 Jul 2012 06:48

FrenchFryGuy wrote:Hope Nintendo's offer is no more than $1 because that's about how much RARE is worth these days. Oh, and I don't buy this "rumor" one bit either, but that's neither here nor there. The fact still remains that RARE isn't worth spit these days.

I think the rumour is more about Rare's collection of IPs than Rare as a studio. If there's any truth to it (which there isn't because it's from Zelda Informer), it'll just be that Nintendo's interested in buying Banjo or VC rights to certain games or maybe getting Rare working on the 3DS. There's no way Nintendo would buy Rare as a studio and it's also unlikely that Microsoft would sell, given that Rare seem to have found a niche churning out Kinect titles.
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20 Jul 2012 07:15

Shameless free publicity for Zelda Informer...

Nintendo doesnt buy studios anymore unless they workers and directors share nintendo's vision (so they wont buy a studio and then everyone useful there leaves)
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20 Jul 2012 07:40

It'd be nice if this were true. I played through both of the original games over the past few weeks, and while easier than I recall, they are still very fun and have aged well. Tooie has some brilliant dialogue too. Some of the disdain for these games in this thread is a bit baffling.

Only real issue I'd have with a scenario like this, is that I don't know if Nintendo/Retro/whoever would be able to capture the same sense of humour that Rare did for the B-K series. I mean, Cranky's back to being Cranky, but he's nowhere near as good as he was...
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20 Jul 2012 08:09

Well Rare belongs to MS now, so this can't be true.
Also it's been many years since they last made a good game, so even if the rumor was true I wouldn't be that excited about it.
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20 Jul 2012 08:30

Frank wrote:I think the rumour is more about Rare's collection of IPs than Rare as a studio. If there's any truth to it (which there isn't because it's from Zelda Informer), it'll just be that Nintendo's interested in buying Banjo or VC rights to certain games or maybe getting Rare working on the 3DS. There's no way Nintendo would buy Rare as a studio and it's also unlikely that Microsoft would sell, given that Rare seem to have found a niche churning out Kinect titles.


Well I'm just going by what the article itself says. More particularly the line here:

"According to the tipster, Nintendo is in direct negotiations with Microsoft to buy RARE, though the purpose of buying them seems to be all based around getting the rights to Banjo and Kazooie."

So that's why I said what I said. RARE isn't worth spending the kind of money it would take to acquire them again just to own their IP's. I suppose if the price were low enough sure, but like Microsoft is going to sell them to their competition at all let alone for cheap. It's not in Nintendo's best interest in my opinion.

But this is all moot because it's total bullsh!t anyway. Nintendo wouldn't start development on a game before knowing whether or not they would even be able to secure the rights to release it. It would be a waste of time, money and resources and Nintendo is and has always been one of the most economically sound developers in the gaming biz.
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20 Jul 2012 09:48

FrenchFryGuy wrote:But this is all moot because it's total bullsh!t anyway. Nintendo wouldn't start development on a game before knowing whether or not they would even be able to secure the rights to release it. It would be a waste of time, money and resources and Nintendo is and has always been one of the most economically sound developers in the gam0ing biz.

Agreed on the first point, so this is entirely moot, my point was that if there's any shred of truth to this (which there isn't because it's from Zelda Informer), it'd be that Nintendo was trying to buy one/some of Rare's IP. As for your second point, it's maybe worth pointing out that Nintendo has developed games and not attached them to a specific IP until later in development. Off the top of my head I remember Epic Yarn only became a Kirby game after it had been in development for a while, and Retro had been working on stuff for ages before it was decided to give them the Metroid IP (I don't think it's a big leap to assume that some of what they'd been working on before found its way into the game).

Maybe (and, since we're agreed that this is nonsense, take that maybe as hypothetical rather than speculative) Nintendo has been working on a game (3D platformer?) that they think would be perfect for the Banjo IP, but if they don't get it they could slap Donkey Kong or Kirby or an altogether new character on it.
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20 Jul 2012 10:07

Yes! Killer Instinct made by Retro
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20 Jul 2012 11:36

Well, Rare has been pretty garbage for a while now. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Microsoft would be looking to sell them. The real question would be why Nintendo would want them back. Even if it's as the article says and it's based mostly on getting Banjo Kazooie back, is it really that worth it? It has some niche nostalgia value, but I don't know if it'd be worth buying an entire studio for it. Unless they're planning to capitalize on other Rare franchises like Conker and Perfect Dark, it seems like a waste.

Though the idea that Retro is working on Banjo Kazooie before the deal is secured isn't that far-fetched. I could easily see a Banjo Kazooie game getting retooled and repackaged into a sequel to DK64 if need be. It wouldn't be the first time Nintendo took a game in development and re-skinned it as an entry in one of their popular 1st party franchises.

Although we also have the rumor that Retro is working on Star Fox and that seems a hell of a lot more plausible than all this. Who the fuck knows at this point.
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20 Jul 2012 12:07

BJWanlund wrote:This totally IS the rumour of my dreams!! I think it's more plausible than you're giving it credit, RMC. Hey, at least it's more plausible than the Star Fox-&-Metroid-fusing-into-one-universe-through-one-game rumor that was making the rounds prior to E3.

Entity wrote:So I am the only on who remembers Killer Instinct? It would be perfect now that the fighting games have come back into the gaming world! They don't need RARE, just their franchises, and RARA can keep on making Kinect games :)

No, you aren't the only one! There's, like, a whole bunch of them over at killerinstinctonline.net! (Full disclosure: I'm one of them.) Plus, this super talented guy made a fairly plausible Killer Instinct 3 intro WITH the Retro Studios logo, so ya never know.

PLEASE BE TRUE!!!!!! :D

I have seriously been dreaming og KI3 for years now. I would get a 360 just for it. But on WiiU.. HELL YEAH! :D

Thanks for the goosebumps :)
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20 Jul 2012 14:07

Hmm...

Banjo-Kazooie being developed by Retro? Sure is a nice thing to think about. Then again, the fact is that this is simply a rumor so I won't get my hopes up.

Although, this is just wishful thinking and that it probably won't happen, it would be great to see 'all' of RARE's IP's (ones from the Nintendo era), not just Banjo-Kazooie but Conker, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, and Killer Instinct, be owned by Nintendo themselves and handled by their first-party studio Retro. They really deserve a chance. ^_^
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20 Jul 2012 14:58

Chosenoneknuckles wrote:My DREAM would be for a new traditional B-K game on the Wii U [though not made by Nintendo themselves - doubt they could handle anything that isn't Mario], and for them to be in SSB4 - AKA not in this universe... :(




Why could Nintendo not handle anything that isn't Mario? Especially BK, which was itself a gratuitous Mario 64 clone with added elements?

Either way, Rare certainly hasn't done the franchise, or hell, ANY of their old franchises, any credit.
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20 Jul 2012 15:06

Devil_Rising wrote:
Chosenoneknuckles wrote:My DREAM would be for a new traditional B-K game on the Wii U [though not made by Nintendo themselves - doubt they could handle anything that isn't Mario], and for them to be in SSB4 - AKA not in this universe... :(


Why could Nintendo not handle anything that isn't Mario? Especially BK, which was itself a gratuitous Mario 64 clone with added elements?

Either way, Rare certainly hasn't done the franchise, or hell, ANY of their old franchises, any credit.


Because Nintendo has only handled platformers the likes of Mario and DK [but more the former]?

It's why I say a solid nay at those saying Nintendo should buy Sonic - I don't see them 'getting' Sonic when they're too used to a very rigid nostalgia formula with Mario. And whilst B-K was the better game VS Mario 64 [imho], and had similar platforming elements, yes, it had that golden humour to separate itself from him - that's key to that series, and I don't think Nintendo would 'get' my /our British humour either... [I don't know enough about Retro outside Metroid Prime Trilogy and DKCR to comment on them as a whole]

Nuts & Bolts was a decent game, I thought [albeit with lack of Challenges variety] - but it wasn't a good follow-up to Tooie, definitely [that said, it still looks gorgeous to me - I have to wonder what a 3D Mario with even that level of detail would look like!]
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20 Jul 2012 16:21

Well, I don't know about "rigid nostalgia". I think Sunshine and Galaxy prove that they certainly know how to introduce new ideas into the mix. And really, I wouldn't want to see Nintendo do BK either, but simply for the fact that I'd rather see them doing other stuff.
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20 Jul 2012 17:38

as silly as it sounds i do like the banjo (and kazooie) characters , so yeah that would be nice. But i don't think rare could do anything good now . It's a bit harsh , i'm sure they are competent but their last games , so awful . As for retro why not .In any case as soon as their title is announced , the critics will be so wild and totally illogical. Business as usual
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20 Jul 2012 18:05

Chosenoneknuckles wrote:My DREAM would be for a new traditional B-K game on the Wii U [though not made by Nintendo themselves - doubt they could handle anything that isn't Mario]
Nintendo could easily handle a new Banjo Kazooie game. They make mini-game collections all the time.
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20 Jul 2012 18:06

Fracking god, yes. Got good news today, shower me in more.
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20 Jul 2012 19:37

This rumor is OVER 9000% FAKE!

No way Microsoft would let Kanjo-Kazooie go back to Nintendo

Still, if there's some truth on it, I'd like it if they go back to their previous designs, just slightly updated, I hated the new designs in Nuts & Bolts.

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