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GoNintendo 'End of Day' thought - How do you combat Nintendo negativity?

ENDOFDAYTHOUGHTS 01

Is anyone else psyched for the Olympics? I honestly am...I'm excited for them whenever they come around! I'm not interested in traditional sports seasons, but for some reason the Olympics gets me hyped. Can't wait for things to kick off tomorrow! See you in a few, short hours.

If you're a Nintendo fan, you've no doubt dealt with a ration of crap from friends/internet denizens. Saying you like Nintendo is like a giant red flag for some people out there. They'll lash into you with no actual reasons, other than they're very angry and misguided people. That's the way the internet works in general, but doubly so for Nintendo fans.

As fans, we take all this in stride. I'm hopeful that you guys and gals hold your heads up high, fight bitter comments with calm and thoughtful responses, and fight for world where gamers fight for gaming in general, rather than a specific platform or company.

I do love Nintendo's games and hardware, but I would never put someone else down for loving Microsoft or Sony just as much. I am a gamer first and foremost. My 360 and PS3 sit happily next to my Wii. Unfortunately, too many people pick one side and want to hear nothing about the others.

While fans deal with this kind of stuff all the time, I figured that the Big N was pretty much immune to these comments. Sure they heard them, but I pictured them just pushing forward and doing what they do best. That's why I was absolutely shocked when Satoru Iwata addressed the various people out there that have been calling for Nintendo to drop out of the hardware race for years now.

Even the higher-ups are getting annoyed with the way people treat Nintendo. While we deal with internet trolls and angry fanboys, Nintendo has been getting fed up with journalists and game industry analysts. Iwata acknowledged these comments in their statement only and not the content within. The Big N is tired of talk like this, but it only fuels their fire to continue on and prove those people wrong.

Nintendo makes hardware and software to make people smile. While some may see that as a lame company statement or mission, I find it to be quite admirable. I don't know how some people view smiling as a lackluster goal, but I know I'm just fine with a smile on my face. Nintendo has turned the corners of my mouth upwards many time in the past, and hearing this as their goal with the Wii U and 3DS makes me feel like they have their head on straight.

So...Nintendo pushes on, fighting what they perceive to be the good fight. Us fans hang out in the thick of it all, fending off kiddie comments here and lost hardcore values there. We may agree with some complaints and ignore others, but overall, we're sticking up for what we love. When it comes to your Nintendo values getting bashed, what do you do to try and turn the tide? How do you shake off the Nintendo negativity? Leave a comment and let us know.

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27 Jul 2012 08:43

I hear Nintendo hate all the time and combat it from different angles different angles depending on the situation. Me personally, I don't like hate for any of the systems because simply put, all systems have there strengths and weakness's however there is no system that excels at everything.

One "friend" is quick to throw Nintendo under the bus is very quick to hate on the Wii and talk about the library saying it has no games but is a lover of Kinect and Oden Sphere. I remind him each time that Wii is the only system, despite others having motion controls, to have core games that use motion controls well and Muramasa which is an excellent game that no gamers should miss out on.

Other people talk down on the Wii's graphics and play up the PS3's and 360's but I constantly remind them, if they really cared about graphics, they'd invest in a gaming PC, something I own and can honestly say has the superior version of most 3rd party games, not to mention PC mods!

Thing is, most hate I see against Nintendo or even Microsoft and Sony is unwarranted, biased steam that if you're a real gamer won't be something you'd be saying. I do understand that some people are vastly misinformed and don't know about a lot of things in gaming however the generalization and hate of a product that's only purpose is to play games from designers (who may have made games that you liked in the past) is pretty dumb. Follow the designers, not the hardware company and publishers.

As for the hate Nintendo gets as a designer and publisher, I personally think Nintendo as a publisher, at least NoA, has been a HUGE let down however I think Nintendo as a designer has been living up to expectations and I don't see why they get the hate. Fact of the matter is, dislike there games or not, they've evolved their IP's quite nicely with the times and their games still have same massive appeal as they used to.
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27 Jul 2012 08:57

I just ignore the hate at this point and keep making fun or sony and mircosoft.
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27 Jul 2012 09:02

I don't make fun of other people's console of choice and I hope they will return the favor, if not... I just pretend it doesn't bother me.
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27 Jul 2012 09:28

LOL I love how half the replies, on a Nintendo blog no less are along the lines of "Nintendo hate? Ehhh... well Nintendo's been kind of fuckin up lately and they deserve some of the flack they're receiving"
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27 Jul 2012 10:21

i usually just stare dumbfounded and then shake my head and walk away. on the internet.. it all depends on the day. usually i take in what they say and figure out where they are coming from.. sadly its usually from "the call of duty/gta is the pennicle of gaming. mario is for kids. nintendo sucks" camp. sometimes i explain what they are missing given their narrow view other times i just tear into them. depends on the day.
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27 Jul 2012 10:29

I dont really get hated on because I'm not exclusive to Nintendo. I really do not know how its possible to only stick with one console unless you are struggling from very very serious financial problems. Nintendo will always be my number 1 favorite company to get games from and nobody cares that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is my favorite game this gen with Xenoblade second. The reason is because in the long droughts of no games on Nintendo systems I play my PS3 and 360. There is really nothing to bash since I enjoy what others enjoy as well, simple as that.
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27 Jul 2012 10:32

gatorboi352 wrote:LOL I love how half the replies, on a Nintendo blog no less are along the lines of "Nintendo hate? Ehhh... well Nintendo's been kind of fuckin up lately and they deserve some of the flack they're receiving"

HALF?!
I counted TWO, among 19 comments.
Since when does 20/2 = 2?
If we count yours as one (hard to say, but if it wasn't the intent, you're one hell of a pessimistic person), it's still only 3, and 20/2 still doesn't equal 3...
And EVEN if we count only the post made before yours (17), there is still only two that fit with your description. And unless you rewrite some fundamental principle of mathematics, 17/2 still doesn't equal 2.
;)

PS: And no, 18/3 doesn't equal 3 either, nor 2.
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27 Jul 2012 10:38

I'll give an example!

A bud said: "I'm a agamer, but I don't play Nintendo!"

I asked why and he just said the usual "Nintendo is for kids" line. So I talked with him about some games and that there are more adults playing Nintendo than you would think (PS360 users tend to be teens/young adults). He ignored that. Then I just told him this (not in the exact words, but close enough): "A GAMER plays GAMES he/she likes on whatever system there is. As long as the developer used the tools (the system) correctly and made a good game, does it matter if it's on a Nintendo console?"

What I was trying to say is that a good game is a good game. I thereafter sent him som links to some games on the Wii that he totaly ignored. So now I call him a trend-gamer. Coz playin' Nintendo ain't cool, that's just for the kids!"

Apart from using common sense, as above, I either ignore or just laugh at their childish remarks! ;)

EDIT: I also laugh at Nintendo fanboys talking crap about other systems!
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27 Jul 2012 11:32

My brother gives me crap from time to time about being such a huge Nintendo fan.

Funnily enough, he just bought his first non-Nintendo console a few weeks back, a 360. Needless to say, he loves it to death and has been trying to get me to admit it is the end-all be-all of console gaming ever since.

Me, I love what it has to offer over the Wii in terms of software and hardware features. But because I won't say I like it *better* he acts like I'm a fanboy.

I find it funny. I love gaming, not just Nintendo, Microsoft, or...those other guys whose name escapes me. Sony! That's it.
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27 Jul 2012 11:33

Obvious senseless comments made with the sole purpose of making fun, obviously, need to be ignored... For instance, you're talking about how Nintendo is victim of mindless lashing, yet look at some of the comments here regarding the other companies and they fall in the same category.

Nintendo has and does plenty of things that make me react in a negative way, so I don't go around championing them as a can't-do-no-wrong company... The same way I do for Sony or Microsoft.

I give Nintendo credit when credit is due... I don't do much else other than that.


Also, I think this was EoD was posted before
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27 Jul 2012 11:49

Last time i did it, i was ban here! such a joke :lol:
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27 Jul 2012 11:56

MalikHalo wrote:I'm a gamer before a Nintendo/MS/Sony fan. I'll voice my opinion on all of them, rather it's good or bad. If the faults aren't acknowledged, the companies won't bother to fix them.


NeroSuferoth wrote:Nintendo has and does plenty of things that make me react in a negative way, so I don't go around championing them as a can't-do-no-wrong company... The same way I do for Sony or Microsoft.

I give Nintendo credit when credit is due... I don't do much else other than that.


These are the best comments in this entire thread.

The only people that get their panties in a wad when someone criticizes their holy grail console are the rabid fanboys (all of them - Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft). Regular folks know that companies do some things well and they also make mistakes. When a company does something great they are going to be praised and when a company makes a mistake they are going to be called out and criticized. This isn't unique to the gaming industry.

I find it amusing how the fanboys love comments from analysts when they compliment Nintendo, but when an analyst criticizes Nintendo that person is regarded as an unintelligent fool and a troll, regardless of how warranted that criticism is. Guess what...Nintendo has made mistakes that have had a direct negative impact on their customers. If they are not called out on those mistakes then they will never get fixed.

Nintendo has also done many great things for their customers and has a stable of endearing franchises and deserves to be praised for those things.

Try looking at the business from an objective standpoint instead of acting like Nintendo is your loved one and you won't care about the criticism anymore. You'll just read it, evaluate it objectively and then move on. Taking criticism of a business personally is an absurd reaction for an adult.
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27 Jul 2012 12:04

@gatorboi352

I don't know what blog post you're reading, but nobody's been saying that, let alone half of the replies.

And the people who are saying they are okay with a 'certain kind of "hate"' are talking about Nintendo's decisions, not Nintendo as a game company, which is what this topic is about.

Nobody here supports people hating Nintendo blindly or for their games and stuff and saying it had no (good) games or is for kids.
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27 Jul 2012 12:37

...I...don't? I mean if it's people just dismissing their stuff just because of their name, yeah, that's kinda dumb. But who cares?

Nintendo does plenty of dumb s*** that deserves criticism, just like how they do some great creative stuff too. But defining them solely based on one or the other is pretty arrogant.

But I don't see the point in defending them either. They're an international corporation that makes consumer electronics. They're not exactly at the top of my list of things that I need to emotionally invest myself into...
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27 Jul 2012 12:46

Nintendo is not immune to criticism. But then, neither are Sony or Microsoft.

It goes back and forth. Nintendo makes undeniably great games. Sometimes they take some really creative risks, but sometimes they play it a little too safe. It think a lot of the insults aimed at Nintendo are unreasonable, but at the same time, for as "innovative" as they can be, it's only been VERY recently that they started adopting general gaming standards into their consoles, such as online support, a decent store, more universal friend support, etc. They also have a tendency to seem out of touch with their fans at times, and are far too secretive for their own good, but they have been doing a lot better. To me, they just got... weird during the Wii era.

The 3DS has really pushed them into a very pleasant realm of accessibility that the Wii didn't even bother to attempt. For all the mania surrounding motion gaming, only a small handful of titles only realized and utilized the concept.

The biggest issue I have with "Nintendo negativity" are the people who refuse to admit/acknowledge that even Nintendo makes some boneheaded decisions at times. They have a great overall traffic record, but they definitely don't have a perfect one, either.

I don't plan to get a Wii U at launch. I want to see what they are trying to do with it first. The 3DS, however, has been generating nothing but fun and nostalgic goodwill for me. It really has become my favorite Nintendo based system in the last 10 years.
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27 Jul 2012 13:00

I'm pretty pleased with Nintendo, the only thing I can think of that makes me truly angry is THE LACK OF A NEW STAR FOX GAME!! other than that, I really don't mind what they do. Making the best games the industry has to offer makes up for any minor annoyance they have
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27 Jul 2012 13:06

I find the best way is to stay away from the comments section of this site...
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27 Jul 2012 14:28

Tendonin wrote:I find the best way is to stay away from the comments section of this site...

:lol:
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27 Jul 2012 16:31

I combat Nintendo hate/negativity this way:
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I know their decisions can also lend me to hate them, but I mostly don't care. As long as their games are still good, everything's fine for me.
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27 Jul 2012 17:31

I am always in a simultaneous state of admiration and annoyance towards Nintendo.

It's kind of odd.
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27 Jul 2012 17:44

Tendonin wrote:I find the best way is to stay away from the comments section of this site...


One of the reasons I don't post much nowadays is that the community here has gone down the gutter.
Way too much inane crap gets posted.

Shaanyboi wrote:But I don't see the point in defending them either. They're an international corporation that makes consumer electronics. They're not exactly at the top of my list of things that I need to emotionally invest myself into...


Don't you run a podcast on this site? I'd definitely call that an ''investment'' of some kind.
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27 Jul 2012 19:06

i just ignore all of it and play all the awesome games Nintendo gave me and enjoy them and have fun with them, something that sometimes is reallya hard for those kind of people
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27 Jul 2012 21:06

Can't people just play good games and stop whining?

I know there a reshitloads of people who would love to play many games on the Wii, and I also know there are many people who would love to play games on the PS360PC... Not everyone has the money for all of these (I sure don't) but when I have the chance I do! It's so childish to hate another company like this... Like Dc vs Marvel back in the days. Time to have fun and not whine!
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28 Jul 2012 00:16

yeah, honestly, just play games to have fun... i just cant stand people who think they are above and will crap on things simply because its there to be crapped on
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29 Jul 2012 10:33

i can't really say i've ever come across a 'rabid nintendo-fanboy' (other than here.) Thats not to say I havent come across many of fanboy's from both other camps, i find it odd. :?:

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