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Bad news for Wii U SD card storage, sharing downloaded games

- Download software can only be used on 1 Wii U per 1 USB media
- Download software can be saved to internal memory or USB media
- Download software can't be saved to the SD card
- Cannot play downloaded Wii U games on another Wii U

Not exactly the kind of news we wanted to hear. Looks like an external hard drive is going to be the better way to go. Thanks to all that sent this in!

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11 Nov 2012 10:01

2cd: I can't believe, why Wii U won't support SD-Card storage, like the 3DS already does!

Wii couldn't run games from SD-Card, there was a copy to system storage process to start a game from SD-Card. BUT time went on and 3DS can do it, Wii U is almost 2 years after 3DS launching, SD-Card are cheap as hell. 64 GB around 40-60 bucks.

Maybe I'm going to buy a new 256 GB SSD for my PC and use my first 128 GB SSD with USB-SATA-Adapter on my Wii U. 128 GB SSD is around 90-100 bucks.

Or maybe I'll buy a new and fast USB-Stick with 64 GB or 128 GB, these sticks are even cheaper than SD-Cards!

Go for USB-Stick :angel:

McDaniel-77
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11 Nov 2012 10:08

Why not just use Steam's solution? Log into your accout, play your games anywhere...
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11 Nov 2012 10:14

Suddenly I feel better about not pre-ordering the system.
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11 Nov 2012 10:33

The highest capacity SDXC card being produced right now is 256GB, and that's $900. A 128GB SD card is around $250, and a 64GB around $60. If Wii U games were to take up the entirety of the 25GB disc storage, then that $900 256GB SD card would only be able to hold 10 games.

Okay, fine, real life example with known game sizes. New Super Mario Bros. U runs 2.5GB, Nintendo Land is 3.2GB, and Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition is 16.7GB. That's 22.4GB, 8.75% of the entire space of that 256GB SDXC card. If games were to be at these sizes, approximately 34 games would fit on that $900 card. Heck, the games themselves would cost a little over twice the cost of that SD card.

This is opposed to an external hard drive, where pricing is much more reasonable. A 1TB external hard drive runs about $100. That's four times the storage of the SDXC card for a ninth of the cost. Nintendo's not trying to make us spend lots of money, they're trying to guide us towards the cheaper route.

EDIT: If you still want to use an SD card, you can. There are SD to USB adapters.
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11 Nov 2012 10:55

@KHRZ
This. What the hell, Nintendo?
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11 Nov 2012 10:58

BigLord wrote:@KHRZ
This. What the hell, Nintendo?

This could still be a possibility. All that was said regarding this was that the USB drive couldn't be used with multiple devices. It still may be possible to download the game to multiple consoles under the same account.
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11 Nov 2012 11:04

So...I can't redownload my games. That's absolute bullshit.

I had my PS3 stolen last year and the knowledge that I could redownload the hundreds of pounds worth of DLC and games eased the disappointment significantly. When I sold my new PS3 earlier this year, it was fantastic to be able to sign into my roommate's PS3 and have access to everything I'd bought. It feels like the games I bought are actually mine, able to be played as freely as if I'd bought them on disc (obviously there's limitations with only being ale to download games onto 2 systems at a time which is fine, you can reset the activated systems though so you can redownload to new consoles as much as you like).

When my Wii was stolen alongside my PS3, I had no way of getting those games back. When I sold my 3DS, I lost all of the games I'd downloaded. Why couldn't I just "deactivate" my account with that 3DS, erasing all the games but keeping them tied to an account, ready to be redownloaded should I ever buy a new console? It angers me that I paid so much money for those games but they aren't actually mine.

Really gutted Nintendo have restricted us yet again on Wii U.
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11 Nov 2012 11:40

McDaniel-77 wrote:
bszelda wrote:The whole point of an account system is to allow transferral of games and content between multiple consoles (like the 360's harddrives, etc.).


Accounts are especially NOT for transfering games and content to multiple consoles. Do you know about Steam or Origin. You have to make an account, then you can buy games, download them, store them on your storage device. You can NOT transfer any games to another account. Your games are lost, there is no resale posibility.

What you can do is, to install Steam or Origin on another PC, log in with your account data and download all your stuff again. But only one at at time is useable. That's called copy protection.

What Nintendo did, with merging the save data and setting to accounts and Miis, is great. Maybe you can take your Mii with you and use it as an ID.

McDaniel-77


Well, I didn't say that we should be able to transfer from one account to another. What I said was that, with a single account, you are able to install games on more than one console, but only on one at any given time. Steam is actually better at this considering that you can have all of your games fully installed and playable on multiple computers with the same account. All I'm saying is that it's kind of strange to be limited on the sd card storage considering USB storage and media allows for more security vulnerabilities than the sd slot does. I guess at this point we will only be able to sore game saves or whatever on the sd card.
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11 Nov 2012 11:52

i'd like some more info before getting all bent out of shape, the SD card thing just doesn't make sense out of all of it (that japanese FAQ is extremely light on details). and only playing games on one Wii U DOES make sense as long as your account is tied to that machine (you know, preventing piracy/handing over free games to your friend who could use your account). And the USB, again, I'd like to know more info before firing all lasers at nintendo, but my understanding is that we'd be supplying our own hard drives in the first place so there's gotta be a way to idk reformat a new one if the old one somehow fails (again the FAQ this comes from has zero details and gives short answers). maybe show us a snapshot of the manual, RMC, where it says all this? Nintendo manuals are usually like books with the amount of info they have and covers most things.
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11 Nov 2012 12:29

I don't really understand what's the problem with this. Since the day they announced that we were going to be able to download full retail games and stuff on the wii u I thought on non buying certain games so I could then play them on another wii u (My family may get one first than me, I'm still saving for this and I live way far from my parents)
Making games bound to your account may not be an smart move... first, imagine that your account is in 3 wii u's... then someone can just enter your password and play your games... or if there's some kind of "transfer" thing, people would have to delete their games from one wii u (for safety issues), then redownload them the other wii u and so on...
So I don't really see it useful, also considering the multi user interface of the wii u (family!), that one person download a game for their console and not for their individual account, so anyone can play the game and doesn't have to purchase multiple times a game because dad wants it and mom doesn't.

I don't really see why this is so annoying... maybe my point isn't that clear, but I never imagined the wii u having transferable games.
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11 Nov 2012 12:39

What piques my curiosity is if you can still use an SD card for game saves.

That also brings me to this:

I plan on continuing to buy retail over digital, I know Tekken Tag Tournament 2 WUE takes up 16 GB of the 32 GB the deluxe has as a download, but would it use that much if I bought it retail?

A potentially stupid question I'm sure, but it keeps bugging me.
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11 Nov 2012 12:41

Some of you guys aren't really thinking this through.

This does not say you can't redownload your games. Your purchases are backed up just like on PSN or 360 from what we've heard so far, by the account itself. Your account is linked to the eshop and therefore that keeps track.

2 The only system you can actually transfer the games over by just moving the hard drive is 360 and even then you have to transfer the license rights. PS3 you have to do a backup to transfer or something like that.

The SD card thing was a bit expected. With a USB hard drive or stick they can get a better control of what kind of speeds they have.

I'm thinking this hard drive would be a good deal for us to consider for Wii U http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136994

This just says you can't pull your HDD and take it to a friend's and transfer all your games. I am curious how it'd work if you had the account signed in though. Also curious what the limitations are of the number of wii U's you can have with an account attached.

Edit if you buy a game at retail (a disc) then it will only take as much as the game needs to install and patch. I'm thinking some games will install to help with load times, but we won't know for sure until we get the system. Just to be clear this would not be installing the entire 16 GB no, generally on PS3 it's a few hundred mega at most. Sometimes there are several GB installs though. Another thing I cannot recall is the read speed of the new discs.
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11 Nov 2012 12:41

Took me awhile to get it, it says you can't downloaded wiiu games on other wiius but it means that you can't take your HD from one wiiu to another and play games off of that. I thought it meant you can't download wiiu games that you bought on another wiiu
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11 Nov 2012 14:39

Guys you CAN re-download games on a friends Wii U by signing in to your account. Nintendo Vice President of Corporate Affairs already confirmed it.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=179055
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11 Nov 2012 15:15

The SD card thing was a bit expected. With a USB hard drive or stick they can get a better control of what kind of speeds they have.


This makes no sense. How exactly? SD cards at least have class speeds, but USB thumb drives do not. USB thumb drives can be anywhere from 2 MB to 35 MB a second for read/write speeds.
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11 Nov 2012 17:06

RD3AV5 wrote:
The SD card thing was a bit expected. With a USB hard drive or stick they can get a better control of what kind of speeds they have.


This makes no sense. How exactly? SD cards at least have class speeds, but USB thumb drives do not. USB thumb drives can be anywhere from 2 MB to 35 MB a second for read/write speeds.

You're right about the flash drives, my mistake. I was mainly thinking about USB hard drives. I'm guessing the USB 2.0 interface is the main difference. As for no downloading games to SD cards your guess is as good as mine, but I'm just not overly shocked.

keyz wrote:Guys you CAN re-download games on a friends Wii U by signing in to your account. Nintendo Vice President of Corporate Affairs already confirmed it.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=179055

Doesn't really mean a whole lot as far as proof goes. I'm hoping there is something like this where I simply have to activate the system, but I don't know how reliable the interviewee is.
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11 Nov 2012 22:53

Yeah this is approaching deal breaker territory, very sloppy Nintendo. Unfortunately that deal almost looks like a trade off for the fact(?) that your media is glued to your console rather than giving you a deal for going digital only. Well as others have said, this can very well be a mistranslation, but Nintendo can't seem to take a few steps forward without taking a couple back when it comes to online.

Even if this is to prevent piracy, it's an extremely sloppy solution that makes even that 10% discount look extremely unattractive, and that's if it lasted for the entirety of the Wii U's life. Nintendo needs to take some cues from valve and put their consumers in positions where they don't want to indulge in piracy (be it more online additions, engaging customization, sales on old games etc.), but have counter measures to weed out the ones that do, rather than punishing everyone.
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12 Nov 2012 00:19

I'm still glad I'm not getting a launch WiiU. I figure I'll wait a few years for the library to get better (specifically, 3D Mario, Metroid, maybe a Zelda game that isn't so easy, a brain dead zombie cna beat it, and above all else, SMASH BROS!), the memory to get bigger, and the price to get cheaper.
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12 Nov 2012 03:59

God dammit, this was exactly the reason I was looking forwards to the account downloads system... (so if your console breaks you lose everything? You can redownload from your account, I guess, but I guess you have to start all over again which kinda sucks...) what's the point of SD card, then? Just for transferring Wii data? Guess I'll get an USB stick to plug into my Wii U then...
Though with the new account system I do imagine you can still get your account back if something does happen to the wii u, especially with the "everyone on the system can play the same games" thing...

This is some anti-piracy thing, isn't it... Either way, I plan to the physical version of most retail games(was going to do this anyway)... but there will still be some download exclusives and Virtual Console stuff so I will still have downloads.

But I guess it's best to wait until the console comes out so that we can get the full information... as some of the comments says, the info isn't all clear. Maybe it just means that you can't transfer them to other people's accounts (which should be expected) but you can still log in to other Wii Us, you just have to download them from your account and not the hard drive/USB. This is disappointing news, but I want to wait until we get to know hands-on how it really works until I start worrying too much.
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12 Nov 2012 11:00

I thought about it and ordered an 1 TB 2,5"-USB-HDD for less than 80 bucks!

I like real cases of the games, but I hate swichting discs. Nintendo got me with their Premium Deal -10% of all eShop shopping until the end of 2014. I'll guess I'm giong to buy 10-15 games each year, so by the end of 2014 I will own 30-35 Wii U games and 3-4 games were for free. Nice savings.

McDaniel-77
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12 Nov 2012 18:53

keyz wrote:Guys you CAN re-download games on a friends Wii U by signing in to your account. Nintendo Vice President of Corporate Affairs already confirmed it.

http://www.gonintendo.comercio/?mode=vi ... &id=179055

She didn't answer either of the questions, there is no confirmation in that interview.
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12 Nov 2012 20:09

@ddddd

"GM: Is there a way you can play your games on another Nintendo, for example if I go to my parents’ house and want to play on their console?

Cindy: You’ll have an account system so you’ll be able to access your account anywhere."

Confirmation enough for me. We'll know for sure in six short days.
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12 Nov 2012 20:46

keyz wrote:@ddddd

"GM: Is there a way you can play your games on another Nintendo, for example if I go to my parents’ house and want to play on their console?

Cindy: You’ll have an account system so you’ll be able to access your account anywhere."

Confirmation enough for me. We'll know for sure in six short days.

Tell me where she says one can download one's software to another system. She dodged both questions, I just think you shouldnt take anything these people say as hard facts.
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12 Nov 2012 20:56

keyz wrote:@ddddd

"GM: Is there a way you can play your games on another Nintendo, for example if I go to my parents’ house and want to play on their console?

Cindy: You’ll have an account system so you’ll be able to access your account anywhere."

Confirmation enough for me. We'll know for sure in six short days.


accessing account, and downloading your software on a new system is two different things.
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13 Nov 2012 05:56

gtt wrote:
keyz wrote:
Confirmation enough for me. We'll know for sure in six short days.


accessing account, and downloading your software on a new system is two different things.


Maybe you can download them, but you can only access them with your own account as long as you're logged in? When you log out, the games can't be played by other accounts.

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