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Nintendo talks 3DS Vs. Apple App Store - quantity vs. quality

The following information comes from Nintendo's Scott Moffitt...

On Apple's quantity vs. 3DS' quality software...

"With software, as with most things, there's a distinct difference between quantity and quality. The website 148apps.biz recently calculated that there are currently 139,000 different games actively available on the [Apple] app store. One hundred and thirty-nine thousand. Huge number. That number is way too big to wrap your head around, so I try to think about it this way. If I wanted to spend just fifteen minutes sampling each one of those games, I'd be at it non-stop for four years. That's a ton of caffeine. Obviously there are good games available for mobile platforms, but the point is, the Nintendo 3DS has a record of quality that's hard to challenge."

- there are 49 games for the 3DS with a Metacritic score of 75 or higher, 11 with 85 or higher, and 5 above 90

The following info comes from Nintendo's Bill Trinen...

"The stuff you're seeing on the 3DS eShop, it's all kind of... unique ideas. Anything from Sakura Samurai, which is a game I'm a huge fan of that came out over a year ago on the eShop, and is kind of one of those examples of some of the early unique content from independent developers to something like Dillon's Rolling Western, or Mario & Donkey Kong.

And in each of those games, they each have a tremendous amount of depth, just in terms of the volume of gameplay, but they all also have really great precision controls that are really hard to do on other mobile devices. But really, the content that we're looking at, it's all about, 'what are the unique ideas that really leverage the hardware?' And that, to me, is why you would want to come and play games on the 3DS. They're gonna be unique experiences, they're gonna be things you can't play elsewhere, and [they're] gonna have a whole lot of content."

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23 Apr 2013 21:28

The App Store and Play Store have better games than the 3DS's eShop. I'm not talking about the retail games which are now available on the eShop, I'm strictly talking about games made specifically for eShop/DSiWare.
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23 Apr 2013 21:49

The_King_Up_North wrote:The App Store and Play Store have better games than the 3DS's eShop. I'm not talking about the retail games which are now available on the eShop, I'm strictly talking about games made specifically for eShop/DSiWare.


There are some yes. But there are also 1000s of awful "should have never been made" titles too. Also I believe this is trying to point out the validity of owning a dedicated gaming console in a smart phone world. So I believe that all 3DS titles should be taken into account when discussing comparisons.
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23 Apr 2013 21:51

The_King_Up_North wrote:The App Store and Play Store have better games than the 3DS's eShop. I'm not talking about the retail games which are now available on the eShop, I'm strictly talking about games made specifically for eShop/DSiWare.


Agreed. The 3DS eShop does have a lot of great games for sure but the App Store/Play Store has games that exceed the quality of even the best eShop games IMO.
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23 Apr 2013 22:24

^Like what? I hear some people say it, but I never see it.
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23 Apr 2013 22:50

Be its if its true or not about how good the quality is on Nintendo games vs Apple, its ironic that the same people who post against most everything Nintendo in this Nintendo fourm are the ones who are say that Nintendo eshop games are not as good as ios games.

My opinion is I play games for fun not fanboyisum and the games I played on the e shop were fun.

Since when did games turn into politics?

So for the poster in here what do you play games for?
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23 Apr 2013 23:32

a better discussion is why people think it's impossible to have both quanity AND quality.
nes did,snes did,ps1 did,ps2 did,gba did,and so did the original ds
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24 Apr 2013 00:21

I have a Nexus 7 and frankly, there's just so few games that are quality titles or that hold my interest. The two I can think of are Bean's Quest and "You Must Feed Them". Both of those are fantastic. A lot of games are just knockoffs of better games. Like, playing Shadowgun made me want to play Gears of War. Yes, it has the look. But honestly, it's terrible. I'm mostly using my Nexus 7 for productivity and prefer to invest that gaming time on the go on the 3DS vs wasting it away with boring smartphone games. But for the two games and a couple of others, I'm happy to play them without feeling like I should be playing a better version of it.
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24 Apr 2013 01:02

To me, the App Store seems to be a lot like the Wii was around 2008 or so. Sure there are a handful of gems in there, but there's SO MUCH DIGGING to get to them...
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24 Apr 2013 01:22

No matter how much good games the Apple Store has. They all fail (big fail) in one thing. No controller support. Just a touch screen with virtual buttons. Not all games are meant to be played with touch screen, we need buttons !!!!

NO BUTTONS = NOTHING ...
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24 Apr 2013 01:25

komicturtle92 wrote:I have a Nexus 7 and frankly, there's just so few games that are quality titles or that hold my interest. The two I can think of are Bean's Quest and "You Must Feed Them". Both of those are fantastic. A lot of games are just knockoffs of better games. Like, playing Shadowgun made me want to play Gears of War. Yes, it has the look. But honestly, it's terrible. I'm mostly using my Nexus 7 for productivity and prefer to invest that gaming time on the go on the 3DS vs wasting it away with boring smartphone games. But for the two games and a couple of others, I'm happy to play them without feeling like I should be playing a better version of it.


I totally agree with you, my brother has a N7 too and at first its great how some games look, really good for a small device, but now he just plays fast minigames, no more complex Gears of War wannabes or 3d (not 3d like 3ds) games ... just some touch games and mostly he plays Real Racing ... For anything else he uses the PC or my 3DS ... :P
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24 Apr 2013 01:36

Jirachi wrote:a better discussion is why people think it's impossible to have both quanity AND quality.
nes did,snes did,ps1 did,ps2 did,gba did,and so did the original ds


because none of those had hundreths of thousands of small 5 minute games.Just like the 3ds does not and wont have(and does not need)
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24 Apr 2013 01:53

SparkyMuffin wrote:^Like what? I hear some people say it, but I never see it.


There are tons really there are, you just got to know what your looking for, here are a couple apples to apples examples.

E shop then mobile (this list is for titles that are comparable but better on mobile devices)

Sonic triple trouble, Sonic CD
PAC-man (Gb, NES), Pac-man championship edition (and vanilla arcade edition is for sale as well)
Plants vs zombies, plants vs zombies HD

That's just a couple of course, looking strict at which has more, mobile does sadly. But that really doesn't devalue the eshop titles in anyway.
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24 Apr 2013 03:01

@SparkyMuffin

Need for Speed Most Wanted
Superbrothers Sword & Sworcery EP (I highly recommend this title)
Dead Space
GTA III & Vice City
Machinarium
Modern Combat 4
Jet Set Radio
Jet Car Stunts
Cordy 2 (amazing platformer)
Edge EX
Into the Dead
Another World (classic title)
Real Racing 3
Riptide GP
Shadowgun
Super Hexagon (why doesn't 3DS have this yet? Super addictive game)
World of Goo
Nova 3
Ravensword: Shadowlands (kinda like a portable Skyrim)
The Room (definitely worth giving a shot)
Pixel Twist
Ingress (not really a game, but fun nonetheless)
Broken Sword
Splice
Zen Bound 2
Anormaly Korea

And I can go on and on. Those are just some games I really enjoy. My point is that there are a lot of great mobile games to play. Even great 3DS games such as NightSky, Mutant Mudds, and Gunman Clive have mobile ports. Unless you're the kind of person who absolutely must have physical controls, mobile gaming is great (and even then there are tons of games that support physical controllers).

I love my 3DS for its great retail software like RE: Revelations, Fire Emblem Awakening, Super Mario 3D Land, Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, and more, but its eShop is definitely lacking.
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24 Apr 2013 05:10

eShop pretty much sucks unless the games were made by Nintendo. They don't get credit for 30 year old games either that they port to every platform and force us to repurchase. Sorry Nintendo, your digital strategy is still a huge mess and clearly it shows by your inability to convince people otherwise. Commit to quality, drop these 2nd rate developers and publishers, price your games competitively and establish policies that aren't anti-consumer (purchases registered to an account, not the hardware). You can't address your problem until you admit you have one.
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24 Apr 2013 05:35

OutToLunch wrote:eShop pretty much sucks unless the games were made by Nintendo. They don't get credit for 30 year old games either that they port to every platform and force us to repurchase. Sorry Nintendo, your digital strategy is still a huge mess and clearly it shows by your inability to convince people otherwise. Commit to quality, drop these 2nd rate developers and publishers, price your games competitively and establish policies that aren't anti-consumer (purchases registered to an account, not the hardware). You can't address your problem until you admit you have one.
Clearly, you have never played Mutant Mudds, Gunman Clive, Denpa Men, Zen Pinball, or Colors 3D (not a game, but still amazing!)
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24 Apr 2013 05:44

joshb1983 wrote:
OutToLunch wrote:eShop pretty much sucks unless the games were made by Nintendo. They don't get credit for 30 year old games either that they port to every platform and force us to repurchase. Sorry Nintendo, your digital strategy is still a huge mess and clearly it shows by your inability to convince people otherwise. Commit to quality, drop these 2nd rate developers and publishers, price your games competitively and establish policies that aren't anti-consumer (purchases registered to an account, not the hardware). You can't address your problem until you admit you have one.
Clearly, you have never played Mutant Mudds, Gunman Clive, Denpa Men, Zen Pinball, or Colors 3D (not a game, but still amazing!)


You'd be wrong. Mudds was OK but I purchased it on my original 3DS, which I sold before I upgraded to the 3DS XL. Gunman Clive is nothing exceptional. Denpa Men was interesting but the poor camera quality killed it for me. Zen Pinball was a fine pinball game but uh, I don't like pinball. And yeah, Colors 3D. Looks great but I don't paint so why would I buy that?

Anyways, I wasn't saying there isn't good software to be found but for every game you mentioned there 10 equally awful games or apps in the shop. Like Apple, they are not immune to dreck being published on their platform (pretty much anything ever released for DSiWare).
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24 Apr 2013 06:47

Why you exclude retail games, when you are comparing the eShop to other online shops?

3DS has over 1.000.000 times stronger lineup already, than my 4S, and it has only just started.
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24 Apr 2013 07:05

The_King_Up_North wrote:@SparkyMuffin

Need for Speed Most Wanted
Superbrothers Sword & Sworcery EP (I highly recommend this title)
Dead Space
GTA III & Vice City
Machinarium
Modern Combat 4
Jet Set Radio
Jet Car Stunts
Cordy 2 (amazing platformer)
Edge EX
Into the Dead
Another World (classic title)
Real Racing 3
Riptide GP
Shadowgun
Super Hexagon (why doesn't 3DS have this yet? Super addictive game)
World of Goo
Nova 3
Ravensword: Shadowlands (kinda like a portable Skyrim)
The Room (definitely worth giving a shot)
Pixel Twist
Ingress (not really a game, but fun nonetheless)
Broken Sword
Splice
Zen Bound 2
Anormaly Korea

And I can go on and on. Those are just some games I really enjoy. My point is that there are a lot of great mobile games to play. Even great 3DS games such as NightSky, Mutant Mudds, and Gunman Clive have mobile ports. Unless you're the kind of person who absolutely must have physical controls, mobile gaming is great (and even then there are tons of games that support physical controllers).

I love my 3DS for its great retail software like RE: Revelations, Fire Emblem Awakening, Super Mario 3D Land, Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, and more, but its eShop is definitely lacking.


To add a few more, there's Bastion, Minecraft, Lost Winds, Little Inferno, OLO, Ridiculous Fishing, The Walking Dead, The World Ends With You. Even the games designed with traditional controls work really well but people too often forget that there's plenty of games (like Ridiculous Fishing and Sword and Sworcery) that are designed with touch interfaces in mind. Just because those games don't have traditional control schemes does not discount them from being "real" games or make them somehow less deep.

Like I said earlier, the eShop on 3DS is great and has hosted two of the most refreshing games in ages (Pushmo and Crashmo) but in comparison to iOS, it has ways to go.
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24 Apr 2013 08:28

oh so there are games on ios , just not the one that sells and available in better form elsewhere . So sure i would gladly welcome those titles on the eshop (especially the cave shooters) but i still think the 3ds eshop offers games that i want to play as they are on the platform . I often wondered if i should not buy an ios device plug it someway onto a tv and use a gamepad but then i realize only the cave shooters are exclusive .

to take that list
most wanted , lol yeah i'll take the wii u version
jet set radio on my dreamcast actually
real racing 3 : is this the game that makes virtual gas refill a micro payment ?
world of goo : i still think the wiimote is the best way to play , follow by the mouse , i do admit i have a pc and android version
and the rest i see that i got on my pc for actually cheaper that i would get them on ios. Steam is actually the better place for indie gaming . That's the thing with great ios game , they are not made for it , they only exists because they sold well on pc or other place. ... and yes the same could be said for steam sales , pc users are never without a 360 or ps3 , but ios great gaming is one step below that even.

But it does not have to be one of the other , just port the best ios game (cave shooters) on either wii u or 3ds , some have found a niche there shinen , wayforward original titles and Beril 's gunman clive . The choice is up to ios developers .

i just now that if i buy one game a month on the 3ds eshop i'll have well into the end of 2014 , so i'm ok with the 3ds eshop state .

also come on now , ripoff games are the reality of ios , not steam , not psn , not xbla , not eshop . 5 bucks is totally reasonable for a game no need to go lower , it's like the live gold except with actual games. Also stupid thing i know but i don't have to delete stuff on my hdd to play games on wii u or 3ds , i do have to do so on steam .

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