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Indie dev says Nintendo going out of their way to pamper indie crowd

Coming from an indie dev over at NeoGAF, in response to Avalanche's comments about Nintendo being hard to get in touch with.

We are a tiny indie developer and NEVER had issues to get in contact with Nintendo. They invited us to a conference in Madrid and are constantly checking what we are doing.

So my impression of Nintendo and their relations to indie is completely different. As a matter of fact they are going out of their way to pamper us. Nintendo is doing a lot to work with indies. Also, I find it funny that people keep forgetting that Nintendo were the first ones to strike a deal with Unity to drop all license cost to publish on their console.


Two sides of the same coin, I guess. Maybe Avalanche did have trouble reaching out. Maybe they didn't really try. I think we all know that Nintendo is pushing hard for indies right now. Perhaps Nintendo feels the majority of traditional third parties are a loss. Thanks to Emily for the heads up!

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UPDATE - WayForward chimed in to echo these statements...


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10 May 2013 04:48

I'm not saying Avalanche Studios are lying, but I found it kind of weird reading the news yesterday that they couldn't get in contact with Nintendo while other much smaller developers in Europe (even based in Sweden where Avalanche apparently is as well) seem to have no problem having regular contact. Even Precursor Games, the guys working on Shadow of the Eternals is a brand new upstart studio in Canada and seem to have had no problem getting into and staying in contact with Nintendo based on their tweets/interviews/comments thus far.
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10 May 2013 05:18

I still think the Avalanche dev isn't hating on Nintendo and making excuses, not if they got a couple of development kits for the console.

enigmaxtreme wrote:Im surprised people are still making PS360 games, don't they realist most people will be saving for the successor consoles. Its like making a game for the Wii :/

Probably because unlike on wii, their games still can sell a lot there. :|

LordRoto wrote:Nintendo is thinking ahead as always, When the AAA games market crashes, they will have the backing of tons of new companies starting up.

Just like Sony, they are courting indies a lot.
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10 May 2013 07:07

Would love to see this stuff actually see some results. You know, like having more than 1 digital release per week would be swell. Let's physically see the support.
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10 May 2013 07:43

JD wrote:
enigmaxtreme wrote:Im surprised people are still making PS360 games, don't they realist most people will be saving for the successor consoles. Its like making a game for the Wii :/

But what if the next gen turns out the same way as last gen for the PS3, where the predecessor continues to sell well while the successor flops? I mean, based on what we know of the PS4, it could very well turn out that way for Sony again...
It wont, I can guarantee it. Sony learned their lesson and every developer in the industry is in love with the hardware. Just wait and see.
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10 May 2013 08:02

All I feel that I can add to this is: You never know which small indie developer will become the next Mojang.
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10 May 2013 08:05

the thing is they should not have said anything in the first place , it's totally unprofessional , it's misrepresenting their studios , a ground for termination . But third parties are just fanboys and could not resist a good laugh with their friends . It's stupid
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10 May 2013 08:37

When the indie devs don’t make enough money, it will be a different story …but we already know that!
:roll:

I’m not a big fan of indie devs/games anyway.
I didn't buy a Wii U / Nintendo 3DS to buy some crappy game I could get for my iPhone ...for free, most of the time.
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10 May 2013 08:55

nintenu wrote:When the indie devs don’t make enough money, it will be a different story …but we already know that!
:roll:

I’m not a big fan of indie devs/games anyway.
I didn't buy a Wii U / Nintendo 3DS to buy some crappy game I could get for my iPhone ...for free, most of the time.


You deserve to be slapped in the face with a fish!
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10 May 2013 09:03

KNEW IT. I knew that freaking guys like Avalanche were just too lazy to try and contact Nintendo. It does seem like Nintendo is more interested in hardworking, creative indies rather than big studios. Sure, the still seek them out if need be, but if 3rd parties are gonna whine about their precious tech porn being compromised then to hell with them.

Speaking of indie devs...:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dar ... redemption
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Anonymous
10 May 2013 10:00

SecondGearLuffy wrote:
JD wrote:
enigmaxtreme wrote:Im surprised people are still making PS360 games, don't they realist most people will be saving for the successor consoles. Its like making a game for the Wii :/

But what if the next gen turns out the same way as last gen for the PS3, where the predecessor continues to sell well while the successor flops? I mean, based on what we know of the PS4, it could very well turn out that way for Sony again...
It wont, I can guarantee it. Sony learned their lesson and every developer in the industry is in love with the hardware. Just wait and see.


Look, even if they do relatively well, it's going to take some time for the install base to get up there to where the big AAA devs can actually turn a profit on their bloated games. It's going to be more expensive to develop for than current gen, thus the increased asking price for the software, expected to be around $70. Anyway, it will be an interesting couple of years, to say the least. And hopefully, Nintendo comes out on top.
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10 May 2013 10:02

SecondGearLuffy wrote:
JD wrote:
enigmaxtreme wrote:Im surprised people are still making PS360 games, don't they realist most people will be saving for the successor consoles. Its like making a game for the Wii :/

But what if the next gen turns out the same way as last gen for the PS3, where the predecessor continues to sell well while the successor flops? I mean, based on what we know of the PS4, it could very well turn out that way for Sony again...
It wont, I can guarantee it. Sony learned their lesson and every developer in the industry is in love with the hardware. Just wait and see.


The jury is still out on whether or not Sony has learned their lesson.

On hardware? Maybe so. Everything else? Who knows. Remember, they haven't even announced a price yet.. and that's what really killed the PS3 hype.
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10 May 2013 10:07

Their strategy makes sense though. The AAA game market is not sustainable because budgets are out of control. Have you guys seen how many major multiplatform games missed their targets? Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex... and these games sold millions. I don't see how more advanced consoles that cost even more to develop for is the answer. Indie market is growing, traditional high-budget games simply can't compete in the long term.
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10 May 2013 10:28

StarStabbedMoon wrote:Their strategy makes sense though. The AAA game market is not sustainable because budgets are out of control. Have you guys seen how many major multiplatform games missed their targets? Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex... and these games sold millions. I don't see how more advanced consoles that cost even more to develop for is the answer. Indie market is growing, traditional high-budget games simply can't compete in the long term.


The problem is that too MANY companies have been doing this. The blockbuster budgets are fine as long as they're done responsibly. However, it seems that what we have are a bunch of wannabe auteurs who just can't be responsible about budgets and have let them spin wildly out of control. And of course if anyone tries to tell them that, said developers proceed to stamp their feet and whine about how they're being oppressed creatively. If you can't do anything with a $60 million budget then the problem isn't with the tech or your budget, it's with YOU.
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10 May 2013 11:48

/quote]
But what if the next gen turns out the same way as last gen for the PS3, where the predecessor continues to sell well while the successor flops? I mean, based on what we know of the PS4, it could very well turn out that way for Sony again...[/quote]It wont, I can guarantee it. Sony learned their lesson and every developer in the industry is in love with the hardware. Just wait and see.[/quote]

It's already been confirmed that the most development could increase is 5% so it will be the same. They are using the same tech their engines have had for years but the consoles were not able to do. PC architecture makes it easier to work on as well. Games have already been confirmed to be $60 from Sony. Sooo...yes yes it will be an interesting gen..in favor of sony.
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10 May 2013 12:37

@SecondGearLuffy

Fair enough, but let's not forget that most claimed the same thing for the PSP, PS3, and to some extent the Vita. And we see how that worked out...

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying that the video game industry is an unpredictable business. I wouldn't throw all my eggs in anyone's basket. It doesn't matter how things look 'on paper' so to speak. The DS and Wii should be proof of that.

We'll see what happens.

Oh and I must have missed the tidbit about next-gen development only raising by at most 5%. Could I get a source for that. I'm interested to see what they had to say. Thanks in advance.
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10 May 2013 13:29

How come the negative Avalanche article was a top story but the positive rebuttal was not? Doesn't get as many clicks I guess.
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10 May 2013 13:32

NeoGAF = barf

But this has been widely reported on elsewhere. So much for that one developer claiming that "Nintendo is just too hard to get ahold of". Total BS.
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10 May 2013 13:41

SecondGearLuffy wrote:
It's already been confirmed that the most development could increase is 5% so it will be the same.


Back in 2012 Epic Games and more recently even Capcom have stated that they expect costs for development to rise significantly. (Epic went so far as to say they would double)
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10 May 2013 14:00

Kezay wrote:
SecondGearLuffy wrote:
It's already been confirmed that the most development could increase is 5% so it will be the same.


Back in 2012 Epic Games and more recently even Capcom have stated that they expect costs for development to rise significantly. (Epic went so far as to say they would double)


I don't think it matters if it increases at all...there are plenty of studios NOW that can't afford to make games in this climate.
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Anonymous
10 May 2013 15:16

I think I'll stick with buying a Wii U this year instead of a Vita.
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10 May 2013 15:31

Imo, any statements at this point with devs talking about its so hard to do stuff with Nintendo I'll just take as complete crap. They've paved the way now, all they need to do is jump on board.
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10 May 2013 18:33

It's easy to pamper tiny devs with a handful of staff.
Problem is, as devs get bigger, reality sets in and they want to make money they jump ship.
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10 May 2013 18:53

Devil_Rising wrote:NeoGAF = barf

But this has been widely reported on elsewhere. So much for that one developer claiming that "Nintendo is just too hard to get ahold of". Total BS.

Devs from a particular part of the world having good experiences do not automatically discredit the experience of a completelly different dev, from a completelly different country, attended (or not, in this case) by a different branch of NoE's dev support. It speaks well of the branches that didnt have issues, and if other Swedish devs were able to work better with NoE, then that too; but that still doesn't prove Avalanche did not try, at all (surelly they cared enough to buy more than one kit)
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10 May 2013 21:39

SecondGearLuffy wrote:It's already been confirmed that the most development could increase is 5% so it will be the same. They are using the same tech their engines have had for years but the consoles were not able to do. PC architecture makes it easier to work on as well. Games have already been confirmed to be $60 from Sony. Sooo...yes yes it will be an interesting gen..in favor of sony.


Source? Please?
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10 May 2013 21:43

SecondGearLuffy wrote:
JD wrote:
enigmaxtreme wrote:Im surprised people are still making PS360 games, don't they realist most people will be saving for the successor consoles. Its like making a game for the Wii :/

But what if the next gen turns out the same way as last gen for the PS3, where the predecessor continues to sell well while the successor flops? I mean, based on what we know of the PS4, it could very well turn out that way for Sony again...
It wont, I can guarantee it. Sony learned their lesson and every developer in the industry is in love with the hardware. Just wait and see.


You cannot guarantee anything on it until the results have shown after launch, i admit though that Sony seems to be taking much more drastic approaches with the PS4 instead of the Vita as of late.

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