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Shin'en - If devs have a hard time making great looking games on Wii U, it's not the hardware's fault

Coming from an HDWarriors interview with Manfred Linzner of Shin’en...

“The Wii U eDRAM has a similar function as the eDRAM in the XBOX360. You put your GPU buffers there for fast access. On Wii U it is just much more available than on XBOX360, which means you can render faster because all of your buffers can reside in this very fast RAM. On Wii U the eDRAM is available to the GPU and CPU. So you can also use it very efficiently to speed up your application.

The 1GB application RAM is used for all the games resources. Audio, textures, geometry, etc.

Theoretical RAM bandwidth in a system doesn’t tell you too much because GPU caching will hide a lot of this latency. Bandwidth is mostly an issue for the GPU if you make scattered reads around the memory. This is never a good idea for good performance.

I can’t detail the Wii U GPU but remember it’s a GPGPU. So you are lifted from most limits you had on previous consoles. I think that if you have problems making a great looking game on Wii U then it’s not a problem of the hardware.”

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20 Sep 2013 18:36

Can't disagree with him there. The WiiU may not stand up much against the new systems this fall, but that doesn't mean stuff can't look good on it. Shin'en know their stuff

That said, some engines and some pipelines aren't built to take advantage of how the WiiU's architecture is built. Whether or not a dev feels its worth it to optimize for WiiU to such a degree is up to them...
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20 Sep 2013 18:37

Ok, Shin'en, now show us Fast Racing League 2 with online multiplayer.
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20 Sep 2013 18:54

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the diplomatic way of saying "you suck". XD

Also, @Shaanyboi, as he says here, these programming paradigms are not exclusives to WiiU. If you don't code that way already on PC or the other next gens, you are just coding the lazy way. And this is NOT tossing the "l" word as other seems to like so much.

Also, it's very funny reading this here, some days ago I read a thread on NeoGaf where some people were saying almost exactly this and a lot of people there never gave them any attention. :P So really, they (Shinen) are not the only ones saying things like that.
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20 Sep 2013 19:58

Hear hear. I bet you that something like GTA5 might actually look better on Wii U if Rockstar made the game for it and knew the hardware in and out. (GTA5 looks fine on the other platforms by their standards, but as a budding PC gamer I do notice certain graphical features stick out, like the grass textures looking worse than Pikmin 3 [whose grass textures weren't all that great to begin with], the LOD and shadow maps looking a bit aged [but given the hardware, can't say I'm surprised], and the anti-alising looks like it's only 2x MSAA at best, which would mean that if this was on PC these would be "medium settings" for the most part, but as there is no PC version I can't really give the game a whole ton of flak for doing the best it can on aged hardware, and the gameplay and story are entertaining enough to make it not a huge issue anyway... as they say, gameplay over graphics)

Elfteiroh wrote:This, ladies and gentlemen, is the diplomatic way of saying "you suck". XD

Also, @Shaanyboi, as he says here, these programming paradigms are not exclusives to WiiU. If you don't code that way already on PC or the other next gens, you are just coding the lazy way. And this is NOT tossing the "l" word as other seems to like so much.

Also, it's very funny reading this here, some days ago I read a thread on NeoGaf where some people were saying almost exactly this and a lot of people there never gave them any attention. :P So really, they (Shinen) are not the only ones saying things like that.


My experience with GAF shows that most users there seem to not care a whole ton about positive Nintendo news or thoughts in general. :? ...unless you're talking about "the good 'ol days" then sure they'll go on about how they USED to love Nintendo but stopped caring for rather shallow reasons.
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20 Sep 2013 21:18

yes the old "i used to love them but now" , it's always weird it's been twenty years at least with whatever "new" directions nintendo is so move on people move on . Clap your hands to sandboxey megakill , seriously .
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20 Sep 2013 22:41

Eternal Rain wrote:Hear hear. I bet you that something like GTA5 might actually look better on Wii U if Rockstar made the game for it and knew the hardware in and out. (GTA5 looks fine on the other platforms by their standards, but as a budding PC gamer I do notice certain graphical features stick out, like the grass textures looking worse than Pikmin 3 [whose grass textures weren't all that great to begin with], the LOD and shadow maps looking a bit aged [but given the hardware, can't say I'm surprised], and the anti-alising looks like it's only 2x MSAA at best, which would mean that if this was on PC these would be "medium settings" for the most part, but as there is no PC version I can't really give the game a whole ton of flak for doing the best it can on aged hardware, and the gameplay and story are entertaining enough to make it not a huge issue anyway... as they say, gameplay over graphics)

Elfteiroh wrote:This, ladies and gentlemen, is the diplomatic way of saying "you suck". XD

Also, @Shaanyboi, as he says here, these programming paradigms are not exclusives to WiiU. If you don't code that way already on PC or the other next gens, you are just coding the lazy way. And this is NOT tossing the "l" word as other seems to like so much.

Also, it's very funny reading this here, some days ago I read a thread on NeoGaf where some people were saying almost exactly this and a lot of people there never gave them any attention. :P So really, they (Shinen) are not the only ones saying things like that.


My experience with GAF shows that most users there seem to not care a whole ton about positive Nintendo news or thoughts in general. :? ...unless you're talking about "the good 'ol days" then sure they'll go on about how they USED to love Nintendo but stopped caring for rather shallow reasons.


@ *referring to bold*

Yeah, that's what happens when you're obsessed with negativity; not good for your health.
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21 Sep 2013 00:06

Eternal Rain wrote:
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My experience with GAF shows that most users there seem to not care a whole ton about positive Nintendo news or thoughts in general. :? ...unless you're talking about "the good 'ol days" then sure they'll go on about how they USED to love Nintendo but stopped caring for rather shallow reasons.

Well... I stopped going there 2 or 3 times after being burned by some very big stupid backlash (usually just after E3), so that's why I'm still a junior, but I must say that at the right times, and at the right places, it can be fun. I keep going there for the Japanese sale-ages threads, as I really like looking at numbers and sales, and usually, most of them stay objectives (the few fanboys there gets flamed pretty badly, as the majority of the guys/gals there always jump on the occasion to prove someone wrong if there are facts contradicting what the fanboys says. The threads for last week, with the VERY BIG SALES for Monster Hunter 4 are very cool, with everybody commenting how crazy those sales are, and comparing numbers to see just how high it could still go.
And when they get hyped... OMG. It's perfect. xD You just have to dodge quickly if you don't want to be burned after/during the actual reveal though, because they are rarely happy with anything. xD Oh, and that apply to Microsoft and Sony too. They are not "Anti Nintendo", they are anti prettymucheverything.

Oh, and the recent pokemon threads have been a blast, everyone are excited, I have never seen so many known Genwunner... well, not whining. xD A lot of them are actually saying things like: "Wow. this will be my first Pokemon games since gen1!"
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21 Sep 2013 08:02

It seems to me this system has a lot more going on under the hood then certain publishers would like to lead us on.
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21 Sep 2013 10:26

Such small but talented team, schooling the first parties.

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