Immigration Day

[4th reich]

You want a debate. Here's a good one.

Today is Immigration day. Today immigrants, legal and illegal are staying away from stores, work places, and schools. To prove a point on how much impact they have on America's economy.

This is all to try and effect a bill that has been proposed to further enforce immigration laws. It states that an immigrant has 2 years to at least put an effort to become citizens. They have to pay taxes those 2 years and start to learn some english. You they don't become citizens in 2 years they can ask for extensions by showing how much they have done so far. If they haven't done anything constructive they'll be sent back and can try again later.

I personally strongly agree with the motion. If you aren't making the effort you shouldn't be given the chance. Anybody who tries just a little would have no problem meeting the requirements.

Did you play a part in todays protest? Or did you go out and spend extra money to try and offset the protest like me?

[TheZapper]

I enjoyed the light traffic and easy drive because of all the boycotter's taking the day off and staying home. I hope they do this more often.

[4th reich]

I hate to say it, but today seemed quiet. 1/4th of my school is latino. I ate at school today, there wasn't a massive line for food.

Taco Bell was closed. I'm not being racist, I'm being serious. It was really closed today. Only 2 employees showed up so they just closed.

[DevilsRejection]

I was OK with immigrants until they wanted a spanish version of the national anthem

at that point i drew the god damn line

[GoBigelow]

Illegal Immigration is a significant problem, but it is not THE problem. If we put as much time and money into helping Mexico with it's problems as we have with the Iraq War, this would not be an issue.

The people who go through the process correctly, and earn citizenship recieve my utmost admiration and congratulations. Those who cheat the system, don't pay taxes, use our public schools and take a few jobs in the process need to be sent packing.

[t27duck]

Immigrants had my support until the Spanish "National Anthem." There are some things you just don't mess with.

The legal immigrants, I have no problem with...besides the fact that you can't understand half of them because of their lack of English.

The illegals, let's just say if I was Mario and the illegal immigrants were Goombas and Mexico was the final castle...well you get the idea.

As a show of support, I bought a package of bottled water today.

What the bill DOESN'T cover is what to do with the illegals that are ALREADY IN THE COUNTRY. Are they exempt from "showing an effort"?

Personally I think 2 years is giving them too much time. They can slip under the radar at anytime and we'll lose track of them. I do like the learn English part.

IF I WERE TO MOVE TO FRANCE I WOULD LEARN FRENCH BEFORE GOING!!! LEARN ENGLISH TO LIVE HERE!!!!

One of the *few* things that Bush and I agree on: Don't mess with the Athem

[Zidane]

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

[IsawaTsujice]

As a test, why doesn't US citizens stop going to Mexico as tourist for a month and see how thier economy handles it.

This issue is not about immigration. It is about the illegal peoples that are leeching off my hard earned dollars via welfare, health care, schools, etc.

Did you know that the public hospitals that are funded by our tax dollars (those of you that pay taxes) cannot, under law, refuse to aid anyone, wether it be you or me or a person who is illegally in this country. And our money pays for it, and thier's doesn't.

Illegal Immigration is a significant problem, but it is not THE problem. If we put as much time and money into helping Mexico with it's problems as we have with the Iraq War, this would not be an issue.

Ahhh! In what way is the US obligated to help such a corrupt government anyway? Please, enlighten me. We cannot deroot the corruption there that runs so deep. We have given them money before (and we still do), and little of it has been given to the people who need it the most, either directly or though programs.

Plus, Mexico's economy is already running off our becuase these illegal immigrants are sapping our economy illegally and sending the money to thier families (which i support thier effort to keep thier head afloat, but not illegally) which fuels thier economy.

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

This is exactly the thinking that is perpetuating the "human rights" side of this. While yes, there is no national language at the federal level, there is one 'de facto'.

And not everyone here is decedant from immigrants. I have Native american ancestry in me. But that is beside the point. This country is founded by immigrants, yes. And those immigrants built this country, and created what are known as laws. If you break them, whether you are a citizen or not, you need to be punished.

I hate to say it, but today seemed quiet. 1/4th of my school is latino. I ate at school today, there wasn't a massive line for food.

In my univesity cafeteria, we had disposable everything because there was hadly anyone to handle the normal amount of dirty dishes. That was probably the most inconvienience I had all day.


I have nothing against immigrants. Raise the quota of the amount of people can be citizen-ized. But there needs to be tougher enforcement of the laws and the boarders. I am pro-fence/wall/more security/Gundam defense/whatever, and I don't think that makes me racist, no matter what the leaders of this rally say. If it were Canadians doing the same thing, I would be saying the same thing.

And I don't mean to personally attack anyone on this forum or in life, but I had to quote to make a point.

/rant. Thanks for listening.

[TheZapper]

^Well put. I agree completely.

Does anybody living in the LA area see the KTTV broadcast this afternoon? On air Fox 11 reporter Tony Valdez confronted John and Ken with some absurdity that we have no right to criticize illigel aliens because our American founders believed in Manifest Destiny which they used it to justify the killing of Mexicans and the "stealing" of land from Mexico. He quoted some latino comdians who said that "they didn't cross the border, the border crossed them." This was a reporter for a mainstream, local, American-owned Fox affiliate. But he touched on a opinion held by many Mexicans, that their land was stolen from them 150 years ago and now they want it back. The more vocal of them have organized under the title of "Reconquistadors."

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

True, there is no official language. But having a common laugauge is what creates a sense of community. If we can't commicate with our neighbors with any sort of reliable efficaciouness, then society really can't operate in even the most basically necessary ways. How many of us would dream of moving to a different country, making a new and happy life for our selves, but not even attempting to learn the language? For me, that'd be the first thing I'd do.

[Zidane]

Native Americans descend from Asia. America is a totally immagrant zone. Native Americans were here first techinically. But of all things, everyone born here is a descendent of immagrants.

[Zachalmighty]

My dad is a Cuban immigrant. No he did not float here on a raft he came on a plane as his father was placed in jail as a political prisoner. I have to say Cubans come here for the prospect of becoming americans. We unlike Mexicans are here to stay and not here just to get jobs and send money back to our family's. The Mexicans want to go back and live richly in Mexico. They do not nurture ideas of naturalization and citizenship. That would mean they have to pay taxes and they dont want that.

Another piece of proof that some immigrants dont want to stay is the fact that they are holding their native countries flags and not our own, they infact do not feel loyalty to the Melting pot. It also further proofs that except for the Cubans most latin people wish to stay with their own people and not mingle with others. They are those people who talk in spanish when their are other people are around them.

Most immigrants have ample chance to become citizens even if they came in illegaly so it is they who do not wish to melt.

[Follow Me Doshin]

I don't know statistics, but I know alot of illegal immigrants (friends/family) and they all know english, pay taxes, and obey the laws (excluding immigration laws haha) IMO, people like these deserve to stay in this country and continue to stimulate the economy. Give them a fine for their crime and a chance to prove that they should stay.

It's funny that this is the most important issue for republicans right now. It couldn't be because if these people got their citizenship, most would be voting for Democrats, could it?

[4th reich]

You're an immigrant wherever you are, unless your line of blood is purely from Kenya and have never been anywhere else. I have no problems with LEGAL immigrants. My Family moved to Oregon Long before America ever claimed independence. I have never spent more then 2 weeks away from where I was born, never really wanted too.

I was looking in the paper today. They reported that Chicago had over 400,000 demonstators. The same in LA. Salem, Oregon had a smaller 8,000.

If you dissagree with what is going on, go ahead a protest, but if you don't have a clue, stay home. I know this one girl that tried to pick a fight with me. She told me that I was heartless. She also thinks that this bill is sending back all ilegals tomorrow and will permanently shut down all borders to anybody. I think she's confusing America with North Korea.

We just need to enforce our laws. We're already supposed to send back illegals that don't pay taxes, but first they have to commit a felony. That's wrong. They're already criminals for coming here illegaly. I don't want to hear that it's too hard to come here that right way because that's a bunch of bull.

[GoBigelow]

Ahhh! In what way is the US obligated to help such a corrupt government anyway? Please, enlighten me. We cannot deroot the corruption there that runs so deep. We have given them money before (and we still do), and little of it has been given to the people who need it the most, either directly or though programs.

It was never my belief that the US should feel obligated to do anything. It is merely my belief that in order to solve the problem of illegal immigration, the larger problem concerning the Mexican government must be dealt with first.

Would it not be in our best interests to aid them? I'll admit that I don't know the full extent of this debate, but I do understand the consequences of doing nothing, and that scares me.

Sending money is not good enough, however. Our countries need to work together in order to solve these problems, whether it's politically, culturally, or economically. If we refuse to see the problem for what it is, then how can we even begin to solve it?

[4th reich]

We do much more then just send money. We provide free clinics, housing, education, and other programs that are here in the US. There iwn government needs to do more.

[JasonWin]

Living in a small town in canada (a small province too) we really don’t have that many immigrants... at all

[Matshelge]

Living in Norway, this abstract question is much like the border conflict between Japan and South Korea. The question is really abstract, and the arguments somewhat silly.

And about all this "leeching of the welfare system". The US has one of the crummyest walfare systems in the western world, If I was a mexian trying to loaf of the system, I'd track my way up to Canada. Anyone going to the US is bound to end up working for his daily bread.

[b214]

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

[el_sean]

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

AND have the illegal immigrants build it. Yeah, I've heard that one before.

[Zachalmighty]

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

AND have the illegal immigrants build it. Yeah, I've heard that one before.

I heard that joke on Carlos Mencia, but you forgot that he was gonna kick the ones who built them back over the wall.

[b214]

Wait a minute, so the official language of America is English? Wow. I didn't know that, since everyone here is descended from immagrants.

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

AND have the illegal immigrants build it. Yeah, I've heard that one before.

I heard that joke on Carlos Mencia, but you forgot that he was gonna kick the ones who built them back over the wall.

lmao, this is hilarious. I was being serious, i'll go build the wall if i'm being paid and have a guide. I just want this illegal crap to stop, if they want to get in the country, do it like everybody else. Canada should do this to their border too, because the U.S. will eventually be in big trouble and people will go to canada.

[4th reich]

The US used to have a great welfare system. All the baby boomers are now starting to take money from it, that's OK because they're the ones who built it up. If it weren't for people leeching off of it that hadn't put in their fair share there would be no social security problem.

[Zidane]

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

Sounds too much like the Berlin Wall.

[4th reich]

The berlin wall was built inside a country, not along the border of one.

[Zidane]

The berlin wall was built inside a country, not along the border of one.

Thus that makes every other wall built along a border okay. I see...