Immigration Day

[el_sean]

The berlin wall was built inside a country, not along the border of one.

Thus that makes every other wall built along a border okay. I see...

Here is what I think:

In the Cold War, the Communist East German Government built a wall dividing the city of Berlin for one sole purpose: To keep German citizens from moving out of the East German territory to obtain their freedom. Today, U.S. citizens are being pushed into erecting another wall with a similar but equally opposite purpose: to keep people out, namely the millions of illegal immigrants who cross into our border every year. Some of these desire economic freedoms through good paying jobs, others, take advantage of the generosity of our people and our government. This isn’t to say that we, in our best self interest shouldn’t allow people—good, moral, and hard working people in–the point that must be addressed is whom should we allow in? Our nation, our resources, and our governmental systems are so overwhelmed and fraught with problems because we are allowing dangerous criminals to slip in unchecked. We’re turning a blind eye to this perilous problem – a problem that we are creating. These criminals do not have jobs and they do not have homes. They steal from our homes, they sleep in our parks, and they join race-affiliated gangs and terrorize the law-abiding citizens and legal immigrants of this country. America, the only country in the world to be founded on the principles of “give us your tired, your poor, and your hungry,” is now pressed to desperation with an overwhelming number of immigrants both legal and illegal, that are exhausting our nation’s ability to give them aid. Because we cannot give them aid, we now are at the point of forcing ourselves to shut legal immigrants out, while doing our best to restrict the entry of illegal immigrants. This is not fair for our legal immigrants, who are trying to play by America’s immigration rules. So what should we do about our illegal problem? We need to strictly enforce our borders, register the immigrants that want to work legally and deport illegal immigrants that commit crime, for the sake of the future of our country.

[Zachalmighty]

The US used to have a great welfare system. All the baby boomers are now starting to take money from it, that's OK because they're the ones who built it up. If it weren't for people leeching off of it that hadn't put in their fair share there would be no social security problem.

You also forget that the Government has been borrowing money from welfare and using it to pay for its defecit. Also they have never put that money back. So in theory the welfare system is going to crash just like the stock market did in the 20's. Being that the comparison is that they where built on a mole hill of money and a mountain of credit.

[4th reich]

This is not about America's welfare system or it's national debt. Don't even get me started on the national debt. It's what keeps a free market from destroying itself.

You can't say that illegal immigrants aren't contributing a big part to the erosion of the welfare system.

Now I have to start a topic on the national debt!

[b214]

It is not the official language, it just seems that way because almost everybody speaks it. There is no official language in the U.S.

and to fix the illegal immigration problem, a 10 inch thick 15 ft high and 15 ft below ground concrete wall

Sounds too much like the Berlin Wall.

Theres a difference splitting one country in half and make the western half communism and building a border wall to enforce the laws and fix problems.

[Matshelge]

Splitting up Berlin like that was no more a problem then building a wall around your borders.

The Soviets had took one part, and the English and US took the other part, they owned the land then, perfecly fair for them to build a wall around there part.

Much like the US border wall or Israel's Wall of Separation, it's there to prevent problems, just like the Berlin wall was.

[Zidane]

Illegal Immagrants probably give more money to the economy than anyone thinks. The 3 million they take in is only a small factor, they turn out more money than anyone else. That's why California's economy is the strongest in the country.

[wisekris]

why doesnt Texas or any other southwest country have Amazing economies???

California prob has an awsome economy because everything is expensive as hell there and people pay it!

[el_sean]

why doesnt Texas or any other southwest country have Amazing economies???

California prob has an awsome economy because everything is expensive as hell there and people pay it!

You forgot that it [California] is a tourist site. Everybody goes to Disneyland, the beaches, Hollywood, etc.

[wisekris]

why doesnt Texas or any other southwest country have Amazing economies???

California prob has an awsome economy because everything is expensive as hell there and people pay it!

You forgot that it [California] is a tourist site. Everybody goes to Disneyland, the beaches, Hollywood, etc.

so is florida but it doesnt have an amazing economy

(not to mention we have more and better parks, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Epcot, MGM Studios, Universal Studios, Universal Islands of Adventure, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Wet'n'Wild, Typhoon Lagoon, Blizzard Beach.....the list goes on and on....

[Zidane]

why doesnt Texas or any other southwest country have Amazing economies???

California prob has an awsome economy because everything is expensive as hell there and people pay it!

Because they have nothing to offer to the outside states. California is rich with agriculture. Texas barely has any plants left. So you have a workforce of Mexicans picking fruit, without them CA would be on the same level of Texas or Florida.

[wisekris]

what i was saying is Texas, and florida both have a lot of immagrents and look at us we are not booming economies! while california does have a booming economy its not because of the immigrents

[Zidane]

what i was saying is Texas, and florida both have a lot of immagrents and look at us we are not booming economies! while california does have a booming economy its not because of the immigrents

Although I agree that Texas and Florida are hell holes, immagrants give more to California than you think. Small buisnesses stay in buissness because of them and they are the reason that California is so strong.

[wisekris]

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thanks..... what i meant was we are not freakin sweet economies but we are still pretty good...i like it

[Zidane]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with living in Texas or Florida(well...). Like they say, you're born that way and it's okay. Who am I to say that what Texas and Florida are, is in anyway wrong.

[el_sean]

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thanks.... what i meant was we are not freakin sweet economies but we are still pretty good...i like it

It's okay kris, I used to live in Kansas before I moved up to Washington. Now that place was bad. Beautiful, but it had a bad economy.

[4th reich]

Are you saying that it's OK that the nations economy suffers so that califonia can get a boost. Don't tell me that we need the food grown in Califonia because we could import it for a fraction of the price, the only reason we put tariffs on imported foods is so that Califonia won't loose jobs in agriculture. So, we're all ppaying hire prices for food so that illegals won't loose their jobs. Wow, that's worth it *sarcasm*

[Zidane]

Are you saying that it's OK that the nations economy suffers so that califonia can get a boost. Don't tell me that we need the food grown in Califonia because we could import it for a fraction of the price, the only reason we put tariffs on imported foods is so that Califonia won't loose jobs in agriculture. So, we're all ppaying hire prices for food so that illegals won't loose their jobs. Wow, that's worth it *sarcasm*

Wow, if it wasn't for the sarcasm I thought you could have been a bigger deuce. But since California has a much stronger economy, most people don't care. Kentucky and other ass backward states need California. They leech off of the money we make so that they can be considered "notable" states. I'm not being mean, I'm telling the truth. But if you really are mad with immagrants, maybe you should talk to the companies that out-source. Ask yourself why there are so many Indians working at Dell support? Those can be American Jobs. But India is farther than Mexico, and who really wants to go that far to stop the jobs? If you import things, you'll be taking even more American jobs away. Seems that you are screwed no matter what you do.

[MR_Man]

But if you really are mad with immagrants, maybe you should talk to the companies that out-source. Ask yourself why there are so many Indians working at Dell support? Those can be American Jobs. But India is farther than Mexico, and who really wants to go that far to stop the jobs? If you import things, you'll be taking even more American jobs away. Seems that you are screwed no matter what you do.

Exactly.

People are just doing what they've always done: target immigrants when the economy seems to be going bad. Oil prices are going up along with the national debt so people have to blame some one. Illegal immigrants are easy targets, we think that they are leaching off us in all ways and it would seems that way. However, I agree with Zidane that they give more to the economy than they hurt it.

I don't disagree with the proposed law as I do think if they try they should be able to become citizens. But then it really isn't that easy. Have you ever seen a citizenship test? 90% of America would fail it if they took it today. Plus learning English isn't that easy. It just happens to be one of the most complex languages to learn. Plus if I'm an immigrant working full time for less than minimum wage how am I going to learn english? I could watch TV sure... but then I would just learn broken english.

Basically my point is it isn't as easy as we think. Hell if it was why would all the immigrants be up in arms? If you call them lazy you're a plain dumb ass. They cross the border illegaly (hard work) and they get here with no house or job and they have to make ends meat by working out in the feilds; that is not what I call lazy.

[b214]

Have you ever seen a citizenship test? 90% of America would fail it if they took it today.

They cross the border illegaly (hard work)

I could pass the citizenship test, and it isn't hard to cross the borders illegally. Thats why i think my wall plan would be good so only the illegals that can push to make it across the wall are the ones who deserve to be in here illegally.

I just came up with a better idea, lets become a huge ass island like australia so we don't have to worry about this.

[MR_Man]

I could pass the citizenship test, and it isn't hard to cross the borders illegally. Thats why i think my wall plan would be good so only the illegals that can push to make it across the wall are the ones who deserve to be in here illegally.

I just came up with a better idea, lets become a huge a** island like australia so we don't have to worry about this.

Congrats, you're one of the 10% that could pass. Say it loud and say it proud. Heh I like your idea though, heh become and island. Well eventually California will move up the coast and we won't have to wory about Mexico or if we're luck (or unlucky depending on how you look at it) we may completely break off during a big earth quake and go hang with Hawaii

[James_Smarty_Cools]

what i was saying is Texas, and florida both have a lot of immagrents and look at us we are not booming economies! while california does have a booming economy its not because of the immigrents

Although I agree that Texas and Florida are hell holes, immagrants give more to California than you think. Small buisnesses stay in buissness because of them and they are the reason that California is so strong.

Dudes, what's with this stuff about Texas having a sucky economy? That must be some type of weird perception thing, because that's news to me and everyone else in Texas who's living the good life.

Anyway, people who fear the brown invasion may be comforted to know that Texas is well on it's way to becoming a "Mexican" majority state within 14 years (it's already a non-white dude majority state). And you know what, it's kinda nice around here. I may be biased in saying that, but really, visit San Antonio or El Paso and tell me that's not America.

There's politics being tossed around about who pays for immigrants and such (or why our nation provides such social services in the first place), or what effect illegals have on driving down wages (by selling their sweat and elbow grease for pennies); and that's all important and terribly specific stuff and should be argued as such. I'd like to see social services gutted for everyone, actually, but I'm not going to use immigration as a vehicle to promote that scheme. These people are already here, what are we going to do about it?

I think people could guess where I stand, but I'm freaking biasd, so some other dude here can argue why America stands to benefit from cooperating with immigrants rather than "fighting" them. Because really, people, that fight is already over.