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Postby elelohesterling » 21 Jul 2006 22:24

Algorithm wrote:I mean, people can go with whatever the Catholic Church says, but it changes, a lot. It was thought to be common knowledge that the Earth was the center of the universe as most of you should know. Those scientists that were smart enough to disprove this couldn't do so unless they wanted to be burned at the stake. It was Nicolaus Copernicus who actually wrote his papers that proved this and many years later, the Catholic Church actually accepted his heliocentric model.

Who is to say the same thing won't happen with homosexuality? I know it isn't the same as cosmology and proving something to be true or false. We know there is no harm from being gay.


I am not Catholiuc and disagree with a lot of what they say, we consider ourselve non-denominiationial, the only thing we emphasize that is reqired to go to Heaven and be known as a Christian is faith that Christ died and rose again and the acceptance of salvation and forgiveness. Though we do think some things should come after that.
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Postby Algorithm » 21 Jul 2006 23:53

elelohesterling wrote:I am not Catholiuc and disagree with a lot of what they say, we consider ourselve non-denominiationial, the only thing we emphasize that is reqired to go to Heaven and be known as a Christian is faith that Christ died and rose again and the acceptance of salvation and forgiveness. Though we do think some things should come after that.

Have you actually read the Bible?
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Postby elelohesterling » 22 Jul 2006 00:19

Algorithm wrote:
elelohesterling wrote:I am not Catholiuc and disagree with a lot of what they say, we consider ourselve non-denominiationial, the only thing we emphasize that is reqired to go to Heaven and be known as a Christian is faith that Christ died and rose again and the acceptance of salvation and forgiveness. Though we do think some things should come after that.

Have you actually read the Bible?


Yes, I have, multiple times.

Why do you ask?
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Postby Wii24 » 22 Jul 2006 20:57

I'm not getting in to a fight with anyone, just stating my opinion.

I am not 'afraid' of gays and I don't see why anyone would. I am a strong Christian believer and I feel I ought to tell you what a true Christian REALLY believes. We don't HATE the sinner. There are REALLY nice gay people and I know one! We hate the sin. No one is born gay. There hasn't been any proof yet, no one has found 'the gay gene'. I believe that people were born with a sin nature. Some people are born with the need to steal. Does that make it ok?
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Postby Algorithm » 22 Jul 2006 21:41

Wii24 wrote:I'm not getting in to a fight with anyone, just stating my opinion.

I am not 'afraid' of gays and I don't see why anyone would. I am a strong Christian believer and I feel I ought to tell you what a true Christian REALLY believes. We don't HATE the sinner. There are REALLY nice gay people and I know one! We hate the sin. No one is born gay. There hasn't been any proof yet, no one has found 'the gay gene'. I believe that people were born with a sin nature. Some people are born with the need to steal. Does that make it ok?

Actually, it has been proven that most people who are gay are that way from birth. It isn't 100%, but the arguement for it is much greater than that where people just choose to be gay.

I'll try and look for some of the articles I read a while back on the subject.
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Postby Wii24 » 22 Jul 2006 21:44

Go ahead. But there is no science in the whole matter that can prove it.
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Postby Algorithm » 22 Jul 2006 21:47

Wii24 wrote:Go ahead. But there is no science in the whole matter that can prove it.

I never said there was 100% proof, just very convincing points. I already said that. I'm not going to say that is science that can prove it, but I don't think you should be so sure that there isn't. It isn't an extremely complex subject like quantum physics, and there are always advancements in science. I just wouldn't be so sure of yourself.
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Postby adsyrah » 22 Jul 2006 21:53

Wii24 wrote:I'm not getting in to a fight with anyone, just stating my opinion.

I am not 'afraid' of gays and I don't see why anyone would. I am a strong Christian believer and I feel I ought to tell you what a true Christian REALLY believes. We don't HATE the sinner. There are REALLY nice gay people and I know one! We hate the sin. No one is born gay. There hasn't been any proof yet, no one has found 'the gay gene'. I believe that people were born with a sin nature. Some people are born with the need to steal. Does that make it ok?


:roll:

Almost all the fact you've stated is untrue. There's a lot of scientific evidence that support the theory that people are born gay.

Look at this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5120004.stm

Oh my - you know a gay person and he's nice! Whoop-ti-doo.

There's nothing more patronising than the 'hate the sin, love the sinner' stance. I don't need your pity. Or your guidance. The archaic views of some religions is worrying as it's all about discrimination. Let's look back in history - women didn't have the vote. Why? Because men used the original sin argument to justify making women lesser citizens. Hmmm, such a valid argument.
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Postby Wii24 » 22 Jul 2006 22:04

That article is pathetic. And the only reason that 'almost all I've stated is untrue' is because I'm Christian and you hate Christians. If you ask me, THERE IS NOTHING MORE INFURIATING THEN YOUR STANCE AND YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW MINE IS SO AWFUL. Period, end of story. I was just stating my opinion I never wanted to get deep in to this, but no.

They actually said in the article that the reason for the 'phenomonon' was unknown. And I apologize for blowing up earlier.
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Postby adsyrah » 22 Jul 2006 22:09

Wii24 wrote:That article is pathetic. And the only reason that 'almost all I've stated is untrue' is because I'm Christian and you hate Christians. If you ask me, THERE IS NOTHING MORE INFURIATING THEN YOUR STANCE AND YOU DON'T NEED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW MINE IS SO AWFUL. Period, end of story. I was just stating my opinion I never wanted to get deep in to this, but no.

Why is the article pathetic?

All I'm giving you is a counter argument to what you said earlier, which was 'there hasn't been any proof yet'. I'm giving you strong evidence towards the opposite.
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Postby PsychoJones » 22 Jul 2006 22:25

It may be a little hypocritical considering I personally view sex as strictly for reproduction, but I'm for gay rights and do believe that people are born gay in the sense that for the most part it is something in the brain that causes someone to be attracted to people of the same sex as themselves.

That's what leads me to accept gay rights, the idea that it is something born into the person that causes their actions. I'm attracted to women, I can't tell you why I am, it's just something in my brain that leans favor towards women. Many women are attracted towards men because something in their brain leans favor towards men. I don't see why you should shun someone who's brain leans favor towards someone else of the same sex.

And to bring in the nature versus nurture argument, I do believe that there are some who become homosexual because of their experiences rather than it happening naturally. I know someone who can be used as a good example of this but I lack the rights to delve into that.

I disagree with people misusing words such as "gay" to describe any random thing. It's derogatory, adding a negative connotation to the word, and it is also very ignorant on their part.
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Postby wisekris » 23 Jul 2006 02:29

wii24 im afraid your wrong their is plenty of science to prove that homosexual people are born a certain way (I thought we agreed not to use the G word here) anyway, there are over 275 traits that determine wether you are a male or female and only a few are quite noticable (amount of different horomones, etc) and VERY few that are physical if you know what i mean, so to say that everyone is born straight is quite wrong, to be honest i think we are all a little bi because im pretty sure that all 275 of my traits are male and i'll bet a platinum Wii that yours arn't all male either.....
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Postby cybermunkey01 » 23 Jul 2006 04:27

What's the big deal? As a straight person it doesnt effect me at all so whatever.
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Postby digital love » 24 Jul 2006 22:11

Since bisexuality was brought up: Is it possible to like both sexes the same amount? I think that one can lean towards one sex more, and like the other one less. Any article to support the idea of 50/50 sexuality?

Sorry to get off-topic but this interests me...
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Postby adsyrah » 26 Jul 2006 05:22

digital love wrote:Since bisexuality was brought up: Is it possible to like both sexes the same amount? I think that one can lean towards one sex more, and like the other one less. Any article to support the idea of 50/50 sexuality?

Sorry to get off-topic but this interests me...

I guess it depends on how you define it.

I believe every one of us has a certain slant towards either sex when it comes to finding them attactive (even if that means 0% towards men and 100% towards women). So I personally think it's possible to be 50/50...
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Postby Edjarosu » 26 Jul 2006 06:13

digital love wrote:Since bisexuality was brought up: Is it possible to like both sexes the same amount? I think that one can lean towards one sex more, and like the other one less. Any article to support the idea of 50/50 sexuality?

Sorry to get off-topic but this interests me...


It might be possible to be perfectly 50/50, but I'm pretty sure that's impossible to gauge something like that.
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Postby {Homicide} » 27 Jul 2006 03:47

People that hate gays, are just those that have been proven to be so narrow minded and brain washed by society.
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Postby Miss Moonlight » 22 Jun 2007 04:33

I can understand how people may not agree/understand homosexuals, but being homophobic or hating homosexuals is another issue entirely.

I don't believe any form of hatred or discrimination should be tolerated. Sure, no one's asking you to understand it. but they have the right to live their life as they choose.
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Postby thewster » 22 Jun 2007 15:04

moonlightkisu wrote:I can understand how people may not agree/understand homosexuals, but being homophobic or hating homosexuals is another issue entirely.

I don't believe any form of hatred or discrimination should be tolerated. Sure, no one's asking you to understand it. but they have the right to live their life as they choose.



I agree with that. Although I think homosexuality is disgusting and wrong.

I don't discriminate because of that fact though.
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Postby 8 bit » 22 Jun 2007 17:24

thewster wrote:Although I think homosexuality is disgusting and wrong.

I don't discriminate because of that fact though.

It's this way of thinking people need to change. I know many of you don't like the comparison, but years ago women fought for their rights. Some probably had a lot of pointless arguments against them, back then.
Then came a racial fight. At those times, there probably where people like you who thought "Even if I think black people are [this] and [that], they should have rights". Even they where wrong then.

That way of thinking is what we as a society need to change. I don't even believe there is need for a debate about homosexuality. What REALLLY VALID argument can someone have against it?

Ignorance is the only excuse for those against homosexuality.
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Postby Miss Moonlight » 22 Jun 2007 17:31

8 bit wrote:
thewster wrote:Although I think homosexuality is disgusting and wrong.

I don't discriminate because of that fact though.

It's this way of thinking people need to change. I know many of you don't like the comparison, but years ago women fought for their rights. Some probably had a lot of pointless arguments against them, back then.
Then came a racial fight. At those times, there probably where people like you who thought "Even if I think black people are [this] and [that], they should have rights". Even they where wrong then.

That way of thinking is what we as a society need to change. I don't even believe there is need for a debate about homosexuality. What REALLLY VALID argument can someone have against it?

Ignorance is the only excuse for those against homosexuality.


Well he's entitled to his opinion, but if I may be frank, saying something like that in response to 'I don't discriminate' is kinda like saying 'I don't discriminate against people with red hair, I just don't think they should be allowed on the planet.'

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Postby 8 bit » 22 Jun 2007 17:38

moonlightkisu wrote:Well he's entitled to his opinion, but if I may be frank, saying something like that in response to 'I don't discriminate' is kinda like saying 'I don't discriminate against people with red hair, I just don't think they should be allowed on the planet.'


That's my point. Not all I was saying is referring to him, though.

Just a small note! Let us not forget this is a debate, and not get/think we are getting personal.

Just to be sure...
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Postby thewster » 22 Jun 2007 18:10

Well all I'm saying is that I don't like it and I don't agree with it at all, but I'm not going to treat a person like crap just because I know they're a homosexual.

I mean you don't have to agree with someone on something to be nice and live peaceably with them.
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Postby Miss Moonlight » 22 Jun 2007 19:45

thewster wrote:I mean you don't have to agree with someone on something to be nice and live peaceably with them.


well, not nessasarily, I suppose, but if you were actually living with a homosexual man (as a roomate/friend or whatever) and he knew you didn't agree with his lifestyle, then that probably wouldn't be a friendship made in heaven. Or maybe it would, if you were tolerable enough.
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Postby thewster » 22 Jun 2007 23:52

moonlightkisu wrote:
thewster wrote:I mean you don't have to agree with someone on something to be nice and live peaceably with them.


well, not nessasarily, I suppose, but if you were actually living with a homosexual man (as a roomate/friend or whatever) and he knew you didn't agree with his lifestyle, then that probably wouldn't be a friendship made in heaven. Or maybe it would, if you were tolerable enough.


Well if he asked me I would tell him what I believe and why I believe it, but, as long as his lifestyle didn't interfere with mine, its his life and, I can't control it.
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