Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby Reed » 25 Nov 2008 11:46

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The Bible clearly lays out how to live your life... and if youre a Christian you should fully believe and trust in the Bible and what it says, considering its Gods own words. Youre comparing a fake Christian with someone who truly believes in Jesus, the Christian faith, and lives according to how the Bible states we should. Im not blind in my faith, your too blind by humanities corruption and evil to see the truth.

And you can still consider it fiction after all of the extremely obvious prophecies I just showed you? See what Im saying? You wont even look at the evidence sitting right in front of you... You will only hear what you want to.


Yeah, God's words... that contradict themselves all the time. A book that says to stone your children because they used God's name in vain. A book that says to discriminate against everyone that doesn't believe exactly what it says to. A book that says that God killed every human on Earth because he messed up when he created them. Anyone who can follow that word for word and not think twice about it is beyond me.

Yeah, prophecies, right. More like vague shots in the dark that have been given 2000 to come true. Given enough time, pretty much anything thought up can happen. I can say right now that we'll be visited by strangers that come in peace. That could refer to aliens visiting the planet, refugees from another country making it here, even new neighbors introducing themselves to you. When it eventually happened (Because it certainly would), you wouldn't say "ZOMG, Malik prophesied this!"


That is completely true. Also, if we need to be following the Bible to live our life, you should just toss all those games and that computer of yours out the window. Those suree aren't in the Bible.

I honestly think that if God really wanted to make us follow every command and word he gives us, he wouldn't let us make our own choices or let their be other religions in the world. By following the Bible, which when translated from Latin was horribly edited in the first place by King James, you are making yourself follow a BOOK.
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby TYFIGHTER » 26 Nov 2008 03:12

Reed wrote:Also, if we need to be following the Bible to live our life, you should just toss all those games and that computer of yours out the window. Those suree aren't in the Bible.

Where does it say we cant do anything created outside of that era? Oh right, it doesnt. The Bible doesnt say not to learn and develop new technology now does it? God created us to be able to grow in knowledge and use it to better our lives... so to play video games or using a computer is in no way wrong according to God.

I honestly think that if God really wanted to make us follow every command and word he gives us, he wouldn't let us make our own choices or let their be other religions in the world. By following the Bible, which when translated from Latin was horribly edited in the first place by King James, you are making yourself follow a BOOK.

Of course God wants us to follow every commandment, thats why he put them there. But God also gave us free will.

Our whole purpose in life is to have a relationship with God. Thats the reason we were created. God wanted a legitimate, meaningful, and loving relationship with someone. In order for us to be able to have a real relationship with Him, he had to give us the ability to actually accept and love him (but with that comes the ability to reject and disobey Him). It wouldnt be a meaningful relationship if we were just programmed to do so like the Angels.

Those who created other religions were either spiritually starved people looking for something to fill His void but Satan jumped in and deceived them, or were ungrounded or shady "religious" people that also allowed themselves to become corrupted with Satans lies. They all have the right idea of worshiping the Almighty, its just their views of God were corrupted and twisted, as well as His teachings.

And actually the original King James translation is the only trustworthy translation of the Bible. Based on multiple sources of the original text, the original King James translation (and NKJ) is the only interpretation not twisted or skewed by the Catholics . But even if Im following a simple book, that "book" is from the mouth of God himself.

MalikHalo wrote:That's 100% right. Demos don't claim that the Republican president will be the end of the world. No fear-mongering there. I'm sure you could see where I was going with that first almost sentence. Every one of those people were accused of being the Anti-Christ. Jimmy Carter, Clinton, Mussolini, Hitler, Hussein. When you bet on all the horses, you can't lose. This is just another one of those times, and the world got tired of it decades ago.

Youre right. All of those accusations were out made out of fear and had no backing whatsoever, but just because there are some uneducated people who are extremely paranoid make accusations with no backing does not mean we informed people are. My parents, who are very strong Christians (and my Dad having studied history his whole life), have never worried about the Anti-Christ appearing until now because there was no major indications that it would happen back then. The people you are talking about are uninformed, ungrounded "Christians".

But if someone you trusted your life with said that the day your were at an airport, a terrorist there was going to hijack a plane... wouldnt you be extremely cautious of everyone who looked even slightly suspicious? It doesnt mean you should accuse them all simply because youre paranoid, though. Now how about this. That person then described to you how that terrorist would act and appear like. Wouldnt you get extremely worried if you then saw someone who fit that description to a t? And not only did he fit the description, he was at the exact place and at the exact time that person told warned you he would be.

You don't really get how the elections work, do you? Obama isn't having us choose the "wrong" choices. We chose them by ourselves before we ever knew he was running for president, and that's why he got elected. And even after he got elected, the people who voted for him did so for several different reasons, with a lot of them having nothing to do with the "wrong" choices you've been talking about.

The economic time and situations right now are a great tool to deceive people into a false hope and sense of security. Thats exactly what Obama did. He smooth talked us into believing hes going to bring change and turn everything around. Do we have any evidence whatsoever that he will do so? Nope, just a bag full of promises.

But right now the people are already completely corrupt, making this time that much easier for Satan. His job is to lead the corrupted to their doom, and as well as weed out the fake believers. Since our world is already such an evil place, deceiving us to accept ideas like a one world government will be that much simpler, considering it was so easy for Obama to elect himself into the most powerful seat in the world.

Again, I dont fully believe Obama is the Anti-Christ. I do believe, he could be the one who leads the the second "beast" in Revelations (the United States), with the other being the actual Anti-Christ.
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby abazou » 14 Dec 2008 16:38

what does Palestine got to do with this?
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby LordTyroxx » 14 Dec 2008 18:37

Psh. although I voted for him, Obama isn't cool enough to be the anti-Christ. (that sounds really bad coming from a Christian)

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Now is that deception or WHAT?! :roll:


But in all seriousness, people need to quit smoking whatever they are smoking. People that try to use the bible to their own benefit and desire other than PERSONAL knowledge are the ones that really deceive everyone. Whatch out for those people.

And for the love of GOD, make your own freaking ideas. You will be deceived by everyone if you can't think for yourself. DON'T BE STUPID! (or am I asking too much?)

To my knowledge, every person that tried to predict the end of the world has failed. (the world hasn't ended yet, has it?) But you can fearfully hide and complain all your life or you can make the most of your time. If you knew the world was going to end tomorrow, would you tell everyone that the world was going to end or would you try your hardest to bring everyone you see to God? Think about that.
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby TYFIGHTER » 01 Apr 2009 02:09

MalikHalo wrote:Yeah, God's words... that contradict themselves all the time. A book that says to stone your children because they used God's name in vain. A book that says to discriminate against everyone that doesn't believe exactly what it says to.

This is pretty skewed. If you can give me some verses in the Bible that say this, I'll then debate you on it but Im pretty sure you have no idea where they talk about those topics in the Bible and why. In the Bible, God also tells King Solomon to kill every man, woman, child, and all of the livestock, innocent or not. But you need to read what comes before and after it, because the Bible explains everything and gives reasons.

A book that says that God killed every human on Earth because he messed up when he created them. Anyone who can follow that word for word and not think twice about it is beyond me.

He didnt mess up. Humanity did. And the Bible doesnt talk about a lot of the reason why God flooded the Earth... its really interesting but its for another thread.

Yeah, prophecies, right. More like vague shots in the dark that have been given 2000 to come true. Given enough time, pretty much anything thought up can happen. I can say right now that we'll be visited by strangers that come in peace. That could refer to aliens visiting the planet, refugees from another country making it here, even new neighbors introducing themselves to you. When it eventually happened (Because it certainly would), you wouldn't say "ZOMG, Malik prophesied this!"

If you said what race that stranger was, and where they would go to, then it would be on the same level as God promising the Jews the land of Israel. None of these prophesies are vague, the only "vague" part is that no dates are given because God doesnt want us to know our futures to the point of us becoming arrogant with knowledge.

LordTyroxx wrote:Psh. although I voted for him, Obama isn't cool enough to be the anti-Christ. (that sounds really bad coming from a Christian)

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Now is that deception or WHAT?! :roll:

Haha nice. But I actually think Obama is a really cool... have you seen that YouTube video of him making that basket? And hes in a Spiderman comic for God's sake! Haha. I just dont agree with him and think he's leading America down a very scary path. But again, he isnt the Anti-Christ... I never said he was, Ive only said he very well could be. But the reason why I havent talked in here for so long is that Ive been reading up and researching this topic for a while (Anti-Christ) and Ive come to another conclusion. A very rock solid, firmly based idea. And I could explain it to you in the easiest way.

Do you wanna hear it? lol

To my knowledge, every person that tried to predict the end of the world has failed. (the world hasn't ended yet, has it?) But you can fearfully hide and complain all your life or you can make the most of your time.

I know it seems like Im the kind of person sitting on the side of the road with "THE END IS NEAR" signs (like Rorschach in Watchmen lol) but Im not. Im not an over-obsessive Christian. It just seems that way since it is a debate thread... So youre going to see the upmost extreme side of me.

If you knew the world was going to end tomorrow, would you tell everyone that the world was going to end or would you try your hardest to bring everyone you see to God? Think about that.

And again, this is a debate thread and the purpose is to discuss and debate our opinions. Im not trying to convert people here, this isnt a missionary trip. Im trying to inform.

But Im gonna get this topic back more on Biblical Prophesy later... not now. Its 11:14 and a school night so sometime this week. lol
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby stealthpengu » 27 May 2009 13:39

President Obama has little to no chance of being the 'big' Anti-Christ, because he's not from Europe. The Anti-Christ has to come from the revived Holy-Roman empire (a united Europe). Obama is just an unwitting player that will help continue push through the European Union and a United world.
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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby wiiamputee » 27 May 2009 16:40

There were BUNCH of things going around saying that kerry was the anti-christ during the elections , and before that Al Gore. This isnt the first time there have been peace talks in the middle east. there has always been famine....and earthquakes.

As far as people saying we are like sodom and ghomora, there has always been rampant sexual acts, homosexuality, drug use and murder for as long as history has been written.

Everything is open to interpretation, and if you have an agenda you will skew the words to mean what you want them to say.I honestly think that you are very wrong TC, but if millions of people dissappear over night i guess i will rethink my stance.

BTW TC, can i have your car and house when the rapture takes you?

oh yeah and what about the fact that america isn't even in the bible?

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Re: Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

Postby Burgers » 04 Jun 2009 16:18

Interesting topic.

I would add the fact that the 'rapture' is not in the Bible (scripture is plain that the 2nd coming is when Christ's followers rise to meet him, not before), and that it's foolish to say only 'liberals/democrats' tell you what you want to hear -- politics are pretty much rotten to the core and that goes for any party...by their fruits you know 'em.

Normally I'd post more but I'm just not as religious as I used to be and not sure if I can believe a lot of what I used to. It's nice to see a religious thread on a forum that isn't full of hateful slander from every which way though.
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