Doomsday 2012?

[cortjezter]

all this biblical talk makes me realise that it's all well and good to have a magical book from the future, but really, all of its wisdom can be overshadowed in an instant the moment mankind destroys itself before all these predictions can come true.

[Count Bleck]

No, peace in Israel will come before man destroys itself...I hear SOMEWHERE in the Bible a prophecy was that man would eventually have the ability to destroy the world. With all the weapons and diseases we can unleash whenever we want, I'd say that's true.

[MalikHalo]

Year 3 - A great star, Wormword, crashes into the Earth and poisons rivers, springwater, etc. general freshwater, where WE get our water.

Year 4 - A third of the sun is struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars. A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight.

You can tell the Bible was written before people knew anything about the universe.

The sun is relatively small for a star, which is already many, MANY times larger than Earth. There's also no way a "great star" could hit one spot on Earth that would poison every source of freshwater. Then, even if by some crazy way it did, people certainly wouldn't last another 4 years.

Yeah... you can't get rid of a third of the sun. The sun is hot plasma, there's nothing that can "strike" it to make a third of it go away. If something were to hit the moon, some of the debris would surely hit Earth. The only way a star disappears is when it dies via a supernova. When it does that, it releases a stream of radiation (I forget what kind. Gamma, I think). If one of those hit Earth, the whole planet would fry in a matter of seconds. There's very little chance of that happening, but if a third of the stars were to "die" at the same time... well, let's just say I don't like our chances.

[NintendoWiiForever]

Year 3 - A great star, Wormword, crashes into the Earth and poisons rivers, springwater, etc. general freshwater, where WE get our water.

Year 4 - A third of the sun is struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars. A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight.

You can tell the Bible was written before people knew anything about the universe.

The sun is relatively small for a star, which is already many, MANY times larger than Earth. There's also no way a "great star" could hit one spot on Earth that would poison every source of freshwater. Then, even if by some crazy way it did, people certainly wouldn't last another 4 years.

Yeah... you can't get rid of a third of the sun. The sun is hot plasma, there's nothing that can "strike" it to make a third of it go away. If something were to hit the moon, some of the debris would surely hit Earth. The only way a star disappears is when it dies via a supernova. When it does that, it releases a stream of radiation (I forget what kind. Gamma, I think). If one of those hit Earth, the whole planet would fry in a matter of seconds. There's very little chance of that happening, but if a third of the stars were to "die" at the same time... well, let's just say I don't like our chances.

not to be argumentative (although this is a debate topic) i would have to agree with MalikHalo. It seems like this was written before people fully understood the universe. if i was living in biblical times i would think the same things were possible, but not in todays world.

[t27duck]

Live life to the fullest everyday and don't worry about this stuff.


"If it's our time to die, it's our time."

[Count Bleck]

First off, Revelation was a vision that it's writer, John, had. So whatever he saw he wrote down. Maybe it wasn't an actual star as we thought, but a space rock or even something else.

And second off, I'm sure GOD can't strike out a third of the sun and moon and stars. That's impossible, after all.

Live life to the fullest everyday and don't worry about this stuff.


"If it's our time to die, it's our time."

And what happens AFTER you die?

[JuanotheGamer]

See, during Religion class, I was taught that the Bible contains over 50 genres, including personification. One example our teacher gave us is that Adam, Eve and the snake don't exist and that they only represent the beggining of mankind. What does this have to do with this thread?

Like Count Bleck said, all of that will happen eventually. However, I believe the Bible is using different terms. For example, the part about the star striking the Earth and wiping one third out. You know who's gonna make that star? Us. The star mentioned will actually be "the weapon of mass destruction" that will wipe out 1/3 of the Earth and the moon. HOWEVER the part where it says "A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight" is the result of the weapon in parts where it didn't hit directly (nuclear winter, black rain, ect.)

Get where I'm going?

[NintendoWiiForever]

See, during Religion class, I was to that the Bible contains over 50 genres, including personification. One example our teacher gave us is that Adam, Eve and the snake don't exist and that they only represent the beggining of mankind. What does this have to do with this thread?

Like Count Bleck said, all of that will happen eventually. However, I believe the Bible is using different terms. For example, the part about the star striking the Earth and wiping one third out. You know who's gonna make that star? Us. The star mentioned will actually be "the weapon of mass destruction" that will wipe out 1/3 of the Earth and the moon. HOWEVER the part where it says "A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight" is the result of the weapon in parts where it didn't hit directly

Get where I'm going?

i love you...you make more sense then ...then...something that makes a whole lot of sense.

[MalikHalo]

The star mentioned will actually be "the weapon of mass destruction" that will wipe out 1/3 of the Earth and the moon. HOWEVER the part where it says "A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight" is the result of the weapon in parts where it didn't hit directly

Only one weapon will do that?

[JuanotheGamer]

The star mentioned will actually be "the weapon of mass destruction" that will wipe out 1/3 of the Earth and the moon. HOWEVER the part where it says "A third of them all is now dark, meaning less true daylight" is the result of the weapon in parts where it didn't hit directly

Only one weapon will do that?

Lol thanks NintendoWiiForever. And Malik, I chose one weapon since in the Bible only one star mentioned.

[Count Bleck]

"i love you...you make more sense then ....something that makes a whole lot of sense."

Lol!

While the Bible may or may not be literal in the tribulation, I prefer to think of it as literal until things happen. It's safer than guessing.

[MalikHalo]

And Malik, I chose one weapon since in the Bible only one star mentioned.

Alright, then I suppose all of the dust, debris, etc. would rise in the atmosphere to block the light? That would make the temperature rise, wouldn't it?

And Count Bleck said that the text said "Strike the sun, moon, and stars." Is that some kind of metaphor as well? Or did I just quote it wrongly?

[Count Bleck]

I big factor would be how it translates to the original Hebrew text. I'll try to find that. Although we think of striking like hitting someone or attacking someone, God could have a different idea of what 'striking' is. John said he saw the angel in his vision. I think angels and demons affect a lot of what happens and what we do, but we can't see them.

[cortjezter]

ok... i hate to be the harbinger of doom, but let's get off the bible kick for a bit. this thread isn't just about the end of the world, it's about it happening in 2012, and the sources which point to it. i know for a fact the bible says nothing about 2012, though it has plenty of references to the apocalypse.

k.. back on topic please.

[Neader]

Let's try to talk about notradamus and mayans. Thanks cort!

[NintendoWiiForever]

yeah i asked for more theories about that kind of stuff...but no body answered except blecky

[LuigiGBA]

I predict Sadness will come out 2012

[Count Bleck]

The Mayans certainly were interesting in all this...although 2012 is interesting, I'm not putting my money towards it.

[Luke Wallace]

Matthew 24:35-36
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


So no one can know the day that the world will end. People can guess, and if enough people guess, someone is bound to be right, but it won't be because they knew that was the day.

[JuanotheGamer]

*goes to Wikipedia and types in 2012*

Oooooh. I think I see how Doomsday was linked to 2012.

2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

The 1995 book The Mayan Prophecies linked the Maya calendar with long-period sunspot cycles.
The book 2012: Mayan Year of Destiny claims the Maya may have been instructed in their wisdom by disembodied entities from Orion and the Pleiades. Contact was maintained through shamanic rituals conducted in accordance with the movements of planets and stars. However, some Mayan priests living and working in Guatemala assert that there is no legitimacy to this theory.
The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
The book The Nostradamus Code speaks of a series of natural disasters caused by a comet (possibly as above) that will allow the third Antichrist to disperse his troops around the globe under the guise of aid in preparation for a possible nuclear war, although in the strictest sense it is unspecific as to nuclear war or some other natural or man caused destruction.
The book The Orion Prophecy claims that the Earth's magnetic field will reverse.
The 2005 book Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Ecstasy by Geoff Stray reviews several theories, prophecies and predictions concerning 2012 and finds where authors have used faulty information or have bent the truth to fit their theories.
The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.
The 2007 book Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation into Civilization's End by Lawrence Joseph does not make any specific new predictions, but it reviews a number of 2012 predictions made by various sources, and presents arguments for the possible existence of dangerous positive feedback loops involving solar storms, Earth's magnetic field, cosmic rays, hurricanes, global warming, earthquakes, and supervolcanoes that may be on the verge of erupting.
Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

Terence McKenna's mathematical novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness.
Some proponents of a peak oil catastrophe place major events in 2012. Richard C. Duncan's book The Peak of World Oil Production and the Road To The Olduvai Gorge claims that the Olduvai cliff will begin and permanent blackouts will occur worldwide. Several studies predict a peak in oil production in or around 2012. [13][14][15]

[Count Bleck]

I've heard the 'shift in conciousness' thing before. I've even heard a crazy person describing 'light beings' that preached anti-Christian messages and talked about a spiritual revival in humans, i.e., the shift in conciousness is what the Devil would have you think.

I still can't help but be a bit interested in the whole 2012 thing. The end of the world fascinates crazies like me.

[alainmeyer1]

I don't agree with this. The Mayan calendars were based on this circular design, my guess is they just didn't go that far and considered that to be a "bad sign".

The world will keep going until the earth swallows us (or the United States)

[cortjezter]

I don't agree with this. The Mayan calendars were based on this circular design, my guess is they just didn't go that far and considered that to be a "bad sign".

i too wondered if the mayan calendar 'prediction' was merely them stopping at some point in time, as in they were colouring in the lines, suddenly got a phone call, and never went back to finish the picture.

the only thing that puzzles me are some of the other references to 2012...

[(Insert_Username_Here)]

hey thanks for re-opening the thread cort.. anyway earlier today, i found this on game trailers and thougth that it went well with this thread!! so heres the link:

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[PikminFan7]

You know what you may not make it to 2012. Stuff happens everyday. Car accidents, sickness, natural dissasters. Enjoy your time here while you can. Money don't mean s*** when your dead.

well, if the earth blows up, there will be no money.

2012 is when i'm supposed to graduate high school. but... the sun probably won't blow up for another billion years or so.