Pokemon Black 2 & White 2 (10/7/12)

[Blue_Falcon]

Alaska is part of the U.S....

That's the joke. >.>

Anyway, I just traded with someone (got a shiny Drifloon thanks! ). I hope they return to the 4th gen interface. The ability to trade three pokémon at a time is nice, but the players can't see each other's pokémon. That's kinda lame 'cause I wanted to show off my pokeymanz.

[bobafruit]

I know everyone is up in arms about this not coming to 3DS....

but I don't care, I've never gotten into pokemon (the originals came out long after I stopped playing my Gameboy). I really wanted to get into it because I like RPGs and lotsa people say good things about Pokemon.

I feel like Pokemon ought to be a good game to get into... and I got a copy of Black (or White, I don't recall) and played into it for several hours but it didn't really grab me. It's now sitting in a drawer somewhere and perhaps my nephew will enjoy it when he's old enough.

:sigh: I think that I might get Black 2 and try again to get into it.

[MAGNUS-8M]

At any rate, I really liked Black... at first I didn't like the menu controls and Box Management controls, but after a while it all settled in, and now I can barely stand to touch Soul Silver(unless I play it long enough, then I get into it a little bit more).

Just on that note, I'd say I'm glad they're making a round two, although yeah, I'm pretty bummed that it's not a completely new 'Gen VI' or that it's exclusive to 3DS. I'm wondering if they're going to try to pull a 'buy all four games!' thing though, like say you could only get the second version of the game you already have in order to get that color of Kyurem, and need to get both pairs in order to get both kyurem, that would kinda suck since you can't breed them and can't really convince people to trade for them permanently. I think it'd be better if there was something interesting in combining the odd series, like having Black but getting White-2... *shrug*

I do hope they still make a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake at some point, though. I gave mine up, and now I wish I had it back, but they're either overly-expensive or hard to come by in my area now.

[Broken_Cartridge]

I think a Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remake is pretty much guaranteed. I expect it to come out next year for Japan and possibly for America as well...but that depends on when it comes out in Japan. It will use Black/White's graphics/assets and it will be a DS game. I'm going off of their pattern though, and their pattern seems to be changing a little bit.

(Edit: Note that 3rd version and remake are interchangeable for the dates of their release.
i.e. Year X New Generation Pokemon game comes out
Year X+1 no Pokemon game comes out
Year X+2 3rd version of the previous new Pokemon game comes out
Year X+3 a remake of a Pokemon game comes out using the graphics from the latest Pokemon game
Year X+4 Repeat previous pattern)

It is possible that they will switch it up, because the release of B/W2 is a little bit different then what they normally do, in more ways than one.,,,

[Eliskor]

I'm pretty confident that Ruby/Sapphire remakes are coming, and coming for the 3DS at that.

Let me explain:

With Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2 all the Unova textures are there, all the text is there (for what bits would remain the sames). Most of the work is already done. Besides these 2 games could've been in development before the 3DS launched. We really don't know. Point is, everything they need for the sequels was already provided.

We may not have much information on the games at all right now, but it feels like only Kyurem's getting new formes. Those could've been done in a week or 2. So that really didn't take much time to implement.

Whereas with Ruby & Sapphire, they'll need to pretty much build it ground up even if for DS. So at that point, it becomes a "why don't we just add in the 3D option and make it a 3DS game?". By the time they'd come out next year the 3DS would have gone through 2, possibly 3 holiday seasons. Which with big titles like Smash Bros, 2D Mario, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, etc. coming out for it the 3DS' install base would be the same, if not larger, than that of the DS.

So it becomes less of a worry of Pokemon 3DS not selling well. Especially if they make a special edition 3DS to bundle games in. I really think that Ruby/Sapphire remakes will come next year for Japan, Europe, and America.

So all in all:

-> B2/W2 textures and models are all provided thus little work is needed
-> All they have to do is fix some things that weren't quite right in B/W
-> Add in old/new feature (Vs. Seeker + rechallenging gym leaders please)
-> Might have been in development before 3DS launched
-> Ruby/Sapphire would be rebuilt anyways so why not throw them onto the 3DS?

[Broken_Cartridge]

I'm pretty confident that Ruby/Sapphire remakes are coming, and coming for the 3DS at that.

Let me explain:

With Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2 all the Unova textures are there, all the text is there (for what bits would remain the sames). Most of the work is already done. Besides these 2 games could've been in development before the 3DS launched. We really don't know. Point is, everything they need for the sequels was already provided.

We may not have much information on the games at all right now, but it feels like only Kyurem's getting new formes. Those could've been done in a week or 2. So that really didn't take much time to implement.

Whereas with Ruby & Sapphire, they'll need to pretty much build it ground up even if for DS. So at that point, it becomes a "why don't we just add in the 3D option and make it a 3DS game?". By the time they'd come out next year the 3DS would have gone through 2, possibly 3 holiday seasons. Which with big titles like Smash Bros, 2D Mario, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, etc. coming out for it the 3DS' install base would be the same, if not larger, than that of the DS.

So it becomes less of a worry of Pokemon 3DS not selling well. Especially if they make a special edition 3DS to bundle games in. I really think that Ruby/Sapphire remakes will come next year for Japan, Europe, and America.

So all in all:

-> B2/W2 textures and models are all provided thus little work is needed
-> All they have to do is fix some things that weren't quite right in B/W
-> Add in old/new feature (Vs. Seeker + rechallenging gym leaders please)
-> Might have been in development before 3DS launched
-> Ruby/Sapphire would be rebuilt anyways so why not throw them onto the 3DS?

Assets that were created for B/W can very easily be used to create an R/S remake...which is the point of them making the game. It is easy to make, and people will buy it. They did not work from the ground up to make FR/LG and HG/SS. They used the assets from R/S/E and D/P/P respectively. There are only two ways that a R/S remake would be exclusively for the 3DS. 1) They already have assets made for the next gen of Pokemon (which they don't) and use that to make R/S or 2) it comes out after the next gen of pokemon.

Again, the reason why they make these games is because it's quick and easy money. They are not going to work from the ground up with entirely new graphics for a R/S remake.

[Eliskor]

I'm pretty confident that Ruby/Sapphire remakes are coming, and coming for the 3DS at that.

Let me explain:

With Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2 all the Unova textures are there, all the text is there (for what bits would remain the sames). Most of the work is already done. Besides these 2 games could've been in development before the 3DS launched. We really don't know. Point is, everything they need for the sequels was already provided.

We may not have much information on the games at all right now, but it feels like only Kyurem's getting new formes. Those could've been done in a week or 2. So that really didn't take much time to implement.

Whereas with Ruby & Sapphire, they'll need to pretty much build it ground up even if for DS. So at that point, it becomes a "why don't we just add in the 3D option and make it a 3DS game?". By the time they'd come out next year the 3DS would have gone through 2, possibly 3 holiday seasons. Which with big titles like Smash Bros, 2D Mario, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, etc. coming out for it the 3DS' install base would be the same, if not larger, than that of the DS.

So it becomes less of a worry of Pokemon 3DS not selling well. Especially if they make a special edition 3DS to bundle games in. I really think that Ruby/Sapphire remakes will come next year for Japan, Europe, and America.

So all in all:

-> B2/W2 textures and models are all provided thus little work is needed
-> All they have to do is fix some things that weren't quite right in B/W
-> Add in old/new feature (Vs. Seeker + rechallenging gym leaders please)
-> Might have been in development before 3DS launched
-> Ruby/Sapphire would be rebuilt anyways so why not throw them onto the 3DS?

Assets that were created for B/W can very easily be used to create an R/S remake...which is the point of them making the game. It is easy to make, and people will buy it. They did not work from the ground up to make FR/LG and HG/SS. They used the assets from R/S/E and D/P/P respectively. There are only two ways that a R/S remake would be exclusively for the 3DS. 1) They already have assets made for the next gen of Pokemon (which they don't) and use that to make R/S or 2) it comes out after the next gen of pokemon.

Again, the reason why they make these games is because it's quick and easy money. They are not going to work from the ground up with entirely new graphics for a R/S remake.

So what you're saying is no Pokemon game ever was built from ground up? Yeah, I don't buy that in all honesty. R/S remakes could provide for Gen VI graphically and texture-wise. Besides, like I said, by the time they'd come out the 3DS will have just as large an install base as the DS. I really think all signs are pointing to R/S remakes being 3DS games rather than DS games.

[Broken_Cartridge]

So what you're saying is no Pokemon game ever was built from ground up? Yeah, I don't buy that in all honesty. R/S remakes could provide for Gen VI graphically and texture-wise. Besides, like I said, by the time they'd come out the 3DS will have just as large an install base as the DS. I really think all signs are pointing to R/S remakes being 3DS games rather than DS games.

If you think that's what I meant then you clearly haven't read my two posts to completion. I'm saying that no remake is built from the ground up. Please re read my posts.

But, if you don't want to read them again....The only games that push graphics forward are the actual new generation games. For instance, Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald had new graphics, then a remake of Red/Blue came out and used the graphical assets from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald; Diamond/Pearl/Platinum had new graphics, then a remake of Gold/Silver came out and used the graphical assets from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum. As you can see, these remakes use assets from games previously made. Why? Because it's a quick way of re-releasing old games with new graphics, and a quick way for the company to make money.

And, again, I am not stating that there aren't Pokemon games built from the ground up. I'm saying that there are no remakes built from the ground up. You have way too high of hopes for the remake of Ruby/Sapphire. And again, to reiterate what I said in a previous post, I am not saying that it is impossible....but highly unlikely, and it would defeat the reason why they come out with remakes, which is quick profit.

Edit: Also, if they are following their releasing patterns that they have been doing, then the remake of R/S would come out next year. The DS has 160 million units sold, and the 3DS has 16 million***. The 3DS will not have as large of an install base as the DS, or even close to it, by next year. Am I saying that this is going to prevent them from making pokemon games on the 3DS, no, but I am saying that it gives them more reason to wait until Gen VI to have an actual exclusive pokemon game on the console.

***As KingBroly pointed out, my numbers were off, so I adjusted them.

[KingBroly]

Fall Release for the West, which means no Nobunaga's Revenge most likely.

As far as install bases go, the DS is at like 160-170 million, while the 3DS is around 13 million (5 million in Japan, at least 4 million in the US, and at least 4 million in Europe). It would've made business sense to push kiddies to 3DS with new Pokemans, but since it's a sequel I guess it makes sense.

[Eliskor]

Fall Release for the West, which means no Nobunaga's Revenge most likely.

As far as install bases go, the DS is at like 160-170 million, while the 3DS is around 13 million (5 million in Japan, at least 4 million in the US, and at least 4 million in Europe). It would've made business sense to push kiddies to 3DS with new Pokemans, but since it's a sequel I guess it makes sense.

I'm not wanting to count the crossover out yet.

[KingBroly]

They won't publish any DS games after a main Pokemon, trust me. Unless, of course, it's another Pokemon Black and White sequel.

[Broken_Cartridge]

They won't publish any DS games after a main Pokemon, trust me. Unless, of course, it's another Pokemon Black and White sequel.

Source?

...He's stating his opinion. Why are you asking for a source when no outside source was mentioned?

And from what I read, he's not saying that Nobunaga is absolutely not going to see a release here, he's saying that it's highly unlikely. Which I agree, we probably won't see a release outside of Japan. The only thing that is keeping me from saying that it absolutely won't is that it's Pokemon, and Pokemon games sell just because they have the name Pokemon on them....so I don't think it's completely out of the question to think that NoA is at least thinking about bringing it over....But don't hold your breath.

[Eliskor]

They won't publish any DS games after a main Pokemon, trust me. Unless, of course, it's another Pokemon Black and White sequel.

Source?

...He's stating his opinion. Why are you asking for a source when no outside source was mentioned?

And from what I read, he's not saying that Nobunaga is absolutely not going to see a release here, he's saying that it's highly unlikely. Which I agree, we probably won't see a release outside of Japan. The only thing that is keeping me from saying that it absolutely won't is that it's Pokemon, and Pokemon games sell just because they have the name Pokemon on them....so I don't think it's completely out of the question to think that NoA is at least thinking about bringing it over....But don't hold your breath.

"they won't publish any DS games after a main Pokemon" sounds to me like he has proof to back up this hasty claim of his. You could argue we didn't get the trio WiiWare PMD titles, but that's because Nintendo knew they sucked major ass. Whereas Nobunaga's actually looking to be a very solid game. I really don't see any reason to not localize it.

[KingBroly]

It was my opinion.

[Sailing_Day]

It's definitely a smart business move to put these games on the DS, but I wish they would have at least made these games forwards-compatible with the 3DS, (Think OoA/OoS) to maybe save my eyes from that annoying resolution stretching problem or maybe even add some 3D.

Anyway, I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around what this means for the Pokemon series. Is it going to continue the story of B&W somehow? It's obviously not just a "third version" considering that they're releasing two games, so there has to be some big differences. It's an interesting move by Nintendo, to say the least.

[Carbondog]

My guess is that it will feel a lot like pokemon gold was to pokemon red. You will most likely play as a new character in a new nearby region to Sinoh with about 100 new pokemon to collect and after a while go through Sinoh. Then learn about N and wind up chasing him down and defeating him. Sorry if there is any spoilers.

But seriously cant wait to see how it turns out!

[delebreaub]

It's definitely a smart business move to put these games on the DS, but I wish they would have at least made these games forwards-compatible with the 3DS, (Think OoA/OoS) to maybe save my eyes from that annoying resolution stretching problem or maybe even add some 3D.

Anyway, I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around what this means for the Pokemon series. Is it going to continue the story of B&W somehow? It's obviously not just a "third version" considering that they're releasing two games, so there has to be some big differences. It's an interesting move by Nintendo, to say the least.

First, I wouldn't rule out something like fitting the 3DS' screens properly (no 3D), bit it is highly unlikely as of now because we still don't know if a DS game cart is capable of doing that.

Second, everybody is suspecting that the plot will deal with a continuation of Black and White's plots (in B2 and W2, respectively). A majority of Pokemon fans suggest that you will start over in Unova with the possibility of meeting characters from the first likely as well.

I think it would be cool if you could import your Hall of Fame team from Black/White into this one and then you battle against them for the champion position.

[KingBroly]

So...Black 2 and White 2 aren't going to be the "Gray" of this Pokemon Generation, and are instead completely new games. I hope this means they experiment with a different progression formula. Also, there were rumors that it'd be in a different region.

[J0RdAnN]

Im really hoping you have to upload your save file from Black/White to Black2/White2 and immediately start fighting trainers with pokemon with levels in the high 50s-low 60s. Or it'd be cool to play as N.

[Broken_Cartridge]

So...Black 2 and White 2 aren't going to be the "Gray" of this Pokemon Generation, and are instead completely new games. I hope this means they experiment with a different progression formula. Also, there were rumors that it'd be in a different region.

Interesting. I keep seeing people bring this up, but I didn't see a news article or anything about it.

[MoldyClay]

Not entirely sure why the whole "This isn't Gray/Grey; These are new games" is surprising, since it seemed pretty obvious from day one, but whatever. At least it will end the fighting over it just being an updated rerelease like Platinum, Emerald, etc.

As for Ruby/Sapphire remakes. I definitely suspect them coming, but with the coming of Black 2/White 2 being such a huge "wtf, you broke my formula of releases!", I don't know what to expect, when or for what system.

[Blue_Falcon]

It would be neat if they made Gen 5 - 2. As in a handful of new 5th gen pokémon. Specifically evolutions for all the useless creatures like Basculin, Audino, Bouffalant, Heatmor, Durant, Stunfisk, Emolga, Maractus, Druddigon, and Almomola. Though, I wouldn't mind if some of those remained without pre/evolutions. I like Maractus and Druddigon as they are, and Emolga, like Pachirisu, doesn't really need to evolve.

Some entirely new 5th gen creatures would be a nice surprise, too.

Also, get rid of critical hits or at least tone them down. There are far too many of those in B/W. And do something -- anything! -- about the balance. 5th gen competitive play is terrible. Half the pokémon from 4th gen are now UU or BL because of terrible balancing.

There are fields in Unova, but there are no berry patches. Instead we have to rely on the boring, forgettably Dream World. Fix that as well.

[SomeBritishGuy]

5th gen competitive play is terrible. Half the pokémon from 4th gen are now UU or BL because of terrible balancing.

4th Gen did the same thing to 3rd Gen. In fact, 4th Gen Overused was far more centralized to Sinnoh Pokémon than the current metagame is to 5th Gen (even when you don't count all five Rotom formes). One big difference is that pretty much every "trio" Pokémon from the 5th Gen is in OU (apart from Thundurus in DAS Ubers) while 4th... had one.

I agree that new evolutions would be a nice change, but... about 0.0001% of happening. Hopefully some new formes apart from Kyurem will pop up. Giratina was a whole load of "meh" to me in Platinum, but Rotom (and Shaymin to a lesser extent) was an awesome surprise.

[KingBroly]

The boxarts look good at least.

[led-naruto]

The boxarts look good at least.

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