Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

[KingBroly]

They felt pretty similar except you couldn't push em down further. It still felt excellent. I know you're trying to quickly dismiss everything said positively about the system though.

[spellsinger]

I'm sure the Wii U will be most selling console of the next-gen, but it can be the wii all over again.

If the gap between it and DurangOrbis will be enormously, I'm sure it will suffer lack of third-party support again because a lot of developers won't be excited to make a downgrade port to it. The sales are something that can bother developers as well (what's the point in losing time creating innovative and unique ways to play that game with the gamepad if that game won't sell well in this plataform?); and the lack of a rigid online structure can surely affect it too.

If Nintendo get over these problems, the Wii U will certainly be a big hit.

I think the Nintendo 3DS strategy won't work with the Wii U... if nintendo really wants to repeat it.

[LegendofZelda1996]

If the gap between it and DurangOrbis will be enormously, I'm sure it will suffer lack of third-party support again because a lot of developers won't be excited to make a downgrade port to it. The sales are something that can bother developers as well (what's the point in losing time creating innovative and unique ways to play that game with the gamepad if that game won't sell well in this plataform?); and the lack of a rigid online structure can surely affect it too.

I heard people in NeoGAF speculating that the power gap between the Wii U & the XBOX 720/PlayStation 4 will be as big as the power gap between the PlayStation 2 & the XBOX/Nintendo GameCube.

[spellsinger]

If the gap between it and DurangOrbis will be enormously, I'm sure it will suffer lack of third-party support again because a lot of developers won't be excited to make a downgrade port to it. The sales are something that can bother developers as well (what's the point in losing time creating innovative and unique ways to play that game with the gamepad if that game won't sell well in this plataform?); and the lack of a rigid online structure can surely affect it too.

I heard people in NeoGAF speculating that the power gap between the Wii U & the XBOX 720/PlayStation 4 will be as big as the power gap between the PlayStation 2 & the XBOX/Nintendo GameCube.

Hm... don't be so optimistic.

Rumors points that Durango and Orbis both will have 2 GPUs and 8 core processors, each one; Wii U GPU will be a HD 5000 evergreen series with an IBM tri-core processor according to rumors.

The Neogaf guy said the gap between them it's like dreamcast(wii U) and Xbox(Durango) OR MAYBE EVEN MORE!

If these rumors turns out to be true, the gap will be noticeable in better textures, fluidity and much more.

[KingBroly]

What he means is that the Wii U will be the developer platform of choice because it came out first and because rising development costs are a serious risk to game development due to company mismanagement.

While the PS2 was weaker than Xbox and GameCube by almost 2 times, it was still the clear and away winner by them both coming out.

[Ragnarokstorymaker]

I honestly wouldn't take anything from NeoGAF too seriously, if anything, I generally dismiss it. But, anyway, great list of impressions there KingBroly. I plan on purchasing around 2-3 gamepad pro controllers when I pick up a Wii U, along with the Wii U point card or w/e its gonna be called, maybe ZombiU. Any word on if Project P-100 will be a launch title? Or is it launch window?

[ddddd]

I can't see the WiiU becoming the lead platform of the next gen, devs will probably keep working on 360 until the next sony and MS consoles are out and then lead development on those.

[LegendofZelda1996]

I can't see the WiiU becoming the lead platform of the next gen, devs will probably keep working on 360 until the next sony and MS consoles are out and then lead development on those.

That might be the case for Western third party developers (but I could be wrong though), but I think that it might be a different story for the Japanese third party developers regarding the Wii U.

Hm... don't be so optimistic.

Rumors points that Durango and Orbis both will have 2 GPUs and 8 core processors, each one; Wii U GPU will be a HD 5000 evergreen series with an IBM tri-core processor according to rumors.

The Neogaf guy said the gap between them it's like dreamcast(wii U) and Xbox(Durango) OR MAYBE EVEN MORE!

If these rumors turns out to be true, the gap will be noticeable in better textures, fluidity and much more.

I'm not trying to be optimistic though. I'm just saying what rumours I heard so far when it comes to the power of the Wii U.

I could be wrong, but I heard from people that the Wii U will use a GPU similar to a Radeon e6760 (I'm not very sure how good this GPU is) and a CPU similar to a PowerPC 476p (I think. I'm not sure). But of course, this could be a false rumour, but who knows?

[komicturtle92]

It's good Nintendo decided to stay conservative in power. Like a few mentioned, development costs are on the rise and developers would rather invest on a console that won't devour so much costs. As for the leap between Durango and WiiU- doubt it's going to be substantial. It sounds more like a Playstation 2 vs Xbox/Gamecube situation. And from rumored reports about Durango, both WiiU and Durango's architecture will be somewhat similar- though obviously Durango is poised to be the strongest. Don't expect an ocean of a difference. A puddle or small flood, yeah. Also, look at the economy. I don't think Microsoft or even Sony would want to put soooo much money especially knowing how graphics technology always evolve- which is why PC versions often look better, and well... Lots of people are broke and jobs are kinda scarce.

I've never heard of WiiU having an HD 5000 Evergreen..

@LegendofZelda1996

WiiU is going to be using a POWER7-based architecture for it's CPU, the same IBM used in their Watson computer. You can refer to this video for a comprehensive breakdown of what's been heard so far:

[gtt]

They felt pretty similar except you couldn't push em down further. It still felt excellent. I know you're trying to quickly dismiss everything said positively about the system though.

hey now, I was just being pedantic. you said 100%. that is not accurate. there are no analog triggers. thus, it can't be 100%. Accurate. like a boss.

[KingBroly]

They felt pretty similar except you couldn't push em down further. It still felt excellent. I know you're trying to quickly dismiss everything said positively about the system though.

hey now, I was just being pedantic. you said 100%. that is not accurate. there are no analog triggers. thus, it can't be 100%. Accurate. like a boss.

In reality you're not the boss here. In reality, there will be no gameplay differences between varying versions of the same game while using both the Gamepad Pro or a 360 controller. In reality, I felt no difference between the two. They felt the exact same except for the swapped analog sticks, better d-pad and face buttons. You'd be hard pressed to say otherwise.

[gtt]

They felt pretty similar except you couldn't push em down further. It still felt excellent. I know you're trying to quickly dismiss everything said positively about the system though.

hey now, I was just being pedantic. you said 100%. that is not accurate. there are no analog triggers. thus, it can't be 100%. Accurate. like a boss.

In reality you're not the boss here. In reality, there will be no gameplay differences between varying versions of the same game while using both the Gamepad Pro or a 360 controller. In reality, I felt no difference between the two. They felt the exact same except for the swapped analog sticks, better d-pad and face buttons. You'd be hard pressed to say otherwise.

racing games will be different. There is a difference between analog and digital. I won't particularly miss it, I'm sure not buying the wiiu for racing games. also, the pro controller has no rumble. so not 100%. Strike one for being pedantic.

[Broken_Cartridge]

I never really understood why the rumble feature was considered to be good by gamers.

[gtt]

I never really understood why the rumble feature was considered to be good by gamers.

I like it. there are some really good uses of it. stone of agony, metal gear solid, rez. etc.

[KingBroly]

racing games will be different. There is a difference between analog and digital. I won't particularly miss it, I'm sure not buying the wiiu for racing games. also, the pro controller has no rumble. so not 100%. Strike one for being pedantic.

Uh...yes, it does.

[gtt]

racing games will be different. There is a difference between analog and digital. I won't particularly miss it, I'm sure not buying the wiiu for racing games. also, the pro controller has no rumble. so not 100%. Strike one for being pedantic.

Uh...yes, it does.

Every report I read from e3 to these events has said "the gamepad has rumble, the pro controller does not"

[KingBroly]

Well, I'm not going to say they're idiots and wrong, but I felt it shake when I played Rayman.

I felt Rumble during P-100 too. Which surprised the heck out of me when it did.

[CrispyGoomba]

Of course there will be a rumble feature in all of the controllers. I'm half and half on - if I really like it - but its become one of those things that are pretty much a given now-a-days.

[spellsinger]

It's good Nintendo decided to stay conservative in power. Like a few mentioned, development costs are on the rise and developers would rather invest on a console that won't devour so much costs. As for the leap between Durango and WiiU- doubt it's going to be substantial. It sounds more like a Playstation 2 vs Xbox/Gamecube situation. And from rumored reports about Durango, both WiiU and Durango's architecture will be somewhat similar- though obviously Durango is poised to be the strongest. Don't expect an ocean of a difference. A puddle or small flood, yeah. Also, look at the economy. I don't think Microsoft or even Sony would want to put soooo much money especially knowing how graphics technology always evolve- which is why PC versions often look better, and well... Lots of people are broke and jobs are kinda scarce.

I've never heard of WiiU having an HD 5000 Evergreen..

The HD 5000 evergreen series rumor is from WiiUDaily, which isn't a reliabe source.

The rumor of probably being an Radeon Embedded E6760 GPU is from a nintendo blog called nintengen.

A gap just like playstation2/gamecube? I don't expect so... the new engines are coming obviously more powerful and costing less, one of they prior objectives is to reduce the cost of production of games. I think the Wii U will receive a lot of downgraded ports of games from DurangOrbis (when willl have, because I think that a lot of devs will not bring them because of sales and stuff).

And I didn't even start to talk about the consoles they have in mind when they create or gonna create their respectives engines...

I don't wanna be undesirable, but I think that some nintendo fans should get ou from the dreamland.


EDIT: Oh sorry, you said gamecube/xbox. But anyway, I still think the leap will be more and noticeable

[ddddd]

Ah, more quality hardcore games incoming!with an epic boxart.



And people complain about some EA dude's comments...

[KingBroly]

I find it AMAZING that the fake New Super Mario Bros. U boxart that someone on NeoGaf made will most likely end up being the real boxart by sheer dumb luck.

[J0RdAnN]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/new%20super%20mario%20bros%20u%20cover/bestmariofan/noonlyon.png
A little bit of resizing is needed but this should more or less be it.

[LegendofZelda1996]

The HD 5000 evergreen series rumor is from WiiUDaily, which isn't a reliabe source.

The rumor of probably being an Radeon Embedded E6760 GPU is from a nintendo blog called nintengen.

A gap just like playstation2/gamecube? I don't expect so... the new engines are coming obviously more powerful and costing less, one of they prior objectives is to reduce the cost of production of games. I think the Wii U will receive a lot of downgraded ports of games from DurangOrbis (when willl have, because I think that a lot of devs will not bring them because of sales and stuff).

And I didn't even start to talk about the consoles they have in mind when they create or gonna create their respectives engines...

I don't wanna be undesirable, but I think that some nintendo fans should get ou from the dreamland.


EDIT: Oh sorry, you said gamecube/xbox. But anyway, I still think the leap will be more and noticeable

In my opinion, the power gap between the Wii U & the PlayStation 4/XBOX 720 will not be as big as the power gap between the Wii & the PlayStation 3/XBOX 360. But then again, who knows?

[KingBroly]

If people expect development costs to come down from current PS3/360 levels with PS4/720, you are sorely mistaken.

[gtt]

Well, I'm not going to say they're idiots and wrong, but I felt it shake when I played Rayman.

I felt Rumble during P-100 too. Which surprised the heck out of me when it did.

cool. hopefully I will get my hands on one soon enough to give it a shake and see if it has motors in it.

If people expect development costs to come down from current PS3/360 levels with PS4/720, you are sorely mistaken.

I think as hardware moves closer to stock pc, the dev costs will come down. and they are already making assets well beyond what the current hardware can do, so that cost can pretty much stay the same. and if more SDKs become like UDK4 with the ability to iterate while actually in game testing things, costs will come under control. also, gotta get marketing and legal and useless middle management types out of the way and off the ledger, I think we could see a decline of costs in the latter half of the next gen. and I think digital distro will force some price flexibility, that will do more to quit the publisher bitching about costs more than anything. but as long as we are dealing with publicly traded companies they will never stop bitching about not making enough.