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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby gtt » 30 May 2012 03:04

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KingBroly wrote:Just stating my opinion here:

If there isn't a Metroid game announced next week, for either 3DS or Wii U, there probably won't be one for a long time. And by long time, I mean Kid Icarus long time.

Even though, when you look around, there's an artificial demand for one.


I unfortunately agree. I see nintendo moving to a strategy of not doing anything they don't think will sell 20M+ units over system life.

NSMB2 is the probably the first game made with that thinking. cheap to make, will sell buckets.


My opinion is not from a financial point of view. If Nintendo went by your way of thinking, they'd only make Mario and Pokemon games. I mean from a creative direction point of view. I've started thinking about it since that Crossover was rumored. The way how I've thought about it, as well as reading others opinions leads me to believe that, at least 1 of those franchises (Star Fox and/or Metroid) is in dire straights at the moment.

Also, I was thinking like...14 more years until another Metroid game, if one isn't announced soon.


I think if they have another year like last year, the shareholders won't have patience for anything else but very profitable titles. Finance dictates to creative. The best selling metroid game has sold less than 3m copies ever. the best selling star fox game has sold just over 4. Their recent performance is why they have been left by the wayside, I think if the most recent entries in those series had done good numbers, there would be no question about their next entries.

If they do have a xover(and how terrible would that game be), and it doesn't do gangbusters, I'd not expect to see another metroid or star fox game for at least a decade.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 30 May 2012 03:16

Not many games sell over 5 million copies let alone 20. Particularly at $50-$60. If investors don't know this, they shouldn't be investing in Nintendo in the first place.

And once again, you completely miss my point in regards to creative direction, which has nothing to do with finances. So stop bringing it into the equation.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby gtt » 30 May 2012 03:25

KingBroly wrote:Not many games sell over 5 million copies let alone 20. Particularly at $50-$60. If investors don't know this, they shouldn't be investing in Nintendo in the first place.

And once again, you completely miss my point in regards to creative direction, which has nothing to do with finances. So stop bringing it into the equation.


I was being hyperbolic with the 20m figure. I'm not sure I understand your point then(but I would like to), creative has very little to do with if those series continue on a regular basis.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Koopzilla » 30 May 2012 03:32

This is why I wish Nintendo would just buy back all their stock and become a private company. Investors just buy what they think will be profitable even if they know or care nothing about it. They care nothing for good games as long as they turn a massive profit. If Nintendo starts listening to shareholders we will probably end up only getting FPS's and maybe NSMB's on the iPhone from Nintendo. I certainly hope theres not a 14 year wait until the next Metroid. I would like to have a new Other M type Metroid on WiiU with some of the problems with the first one fixed, but the way everyone complained about it I think the most we can hope for is more Primes or if we get really really lucky a new 2/2.5D one for 3DS.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 30 May 2012 03:51

gtt wrote:
KingBroly wrote:Not many games sell over 5 million copies let alone 20. Particularly at $50-$60. If investors don't know this, they shouldn't be investing in Nintendo in the first place.

And once again, you completely miss my point in regards to creative direction, which has nothing to do with finances. So stop bringing it into the equation.


I was being hyperbolic with the 20m figure. I'm not sure I understand your point then(but I would like to), creative has very little to do with if those series continue on a regular basis.


Nintendo continues to make games that receive acclaim, profits and consumer happiness. Usually when you see them 'cool down' a franchise it's after a decline in sales of a few games that distance themselves from a formula that fans love, particularly with rushed content. We've seen it with Star Fox, Metroid (in Japan), F-Zero and Kid Icarus. The problem with Metroid is unique for Nintendo in that they've already had this cooldown period, as well as change in developers twice, with the latter causing a nosedive in sales due to quality, acclaim and response.

This was a sudden decline, and not gradual as it has been before. The inactivity for the series from Japan's side is that it has hurt it from a creative point of view, meaning a lack of direction of where to take the series. You literally didn't have a Metroid game on the N64 because the creative director didn't know how to make a Metroid game using the controller. By promoting inactivity, the series' potential was wasted, mismanaged and sales potential was lost (Because Mario and Zelda, particularly Zelda took off sales wise during this period because of the switch to 3D).

And that's ultimately why I say that if we don't see a Metroid game announced this year, we won't see one for a long time because the person behind the series has seemingly run out of ideas after creating something that really offered nothing new that anyone wanted, as well as creating about two dozen more problems along the way, a major one being alienating the majority of fans.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Gulshog » 31 May 2012 09:34

Koopzilla wrote:This is why I wish Nintendo would just buy back all their stock and become a private company. Investors just buy what they think will be profitable even if they know or care nothing about it. They care nothing for good games as long as they turn a massive profit. If Nintendo starts listening to shareholders we will probably end up only getting FPS's and maybe NSMB's on the iPhone from Nintendo. I certainly hope theres not a 14 year wait until the next Metroid. I would like to have a new Other M type Metroid on WiiU with some of the problems with the first one fixed, but the way everyone complained about it I think the most we can hope for is more Primes or if we get really really lucky a new 2/2.5D one for 3DS.


I understand your concern, but do you not think that there are shareholders who are Nintendo fans? Not all shareholders are shareholders to make money. Like any group of people, they are vast, and varied.

Nintendo, is a unique company, run by some very intelligent people. They have survived in a very bloody arena, for quite a long time. I wouldn't worry about how the company operates, as right now, they are run by people who are gamers, understand games, and put out some amazing games. Yeah, some decisions here and there make you scratch your head...looking at you Reggie...but, NCL as a whole is operating the best way that it can.

They are in a position of power, and honestly aren't beholden to investors at this time. They may be public, and people may say they are, but the reality of the situation is that they have banked a ton of cash making their own decisions. So, in reality, if investors leave in droves, it doesn't matter as much. They have the operating capital to survive the next 2-3 generations, even if they undergo GameCube-like sales in each generation. The business side of Nintendo might be driven into a tizzy, but that side is a very small part of the company. Nintendo is still, first and foremost, a video game company, run by people who have their heads in the game...literally.

I see the business side represented by Reggie...dumb decisions, and too much market research. I see the company being run, however, by some really intelligent guys like Iwata, and Miyamoto. That's enough, for me, to trust what they are doing.
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Re: An interesting Wii U rumor I heard today.

Postby ddddd » 31 May 2012 09:51

Einar1025 wrote:Just something I heard over the grapevine, I usually don't bother with such things. But this one seems very plausible if you ask me. So here it is.

Supposedly, to ensure that the Wii U has a proper Mario title at launch. Nintendo will be releasing Super Mario 64 HD. Which as the title suggests is an HD remake of Mario 64, not simply an upscaling. Remade from the ground up for the Wii U. Sadly it will NOT be a remake of the DS version, thus it won't have the extra characters or stages and even more depressing it will have a full retail price tag of $50.


Again, just a rumor I heard. But seemed very likely, I mean who here wouldn't put something like this past Nintendo?

Actually I would like something like that, I havent played the original game in a very long time, and if it does offer some massive replay value I would pay for it. But it must keep the free roaming, secrets, and multiple path possibilities of the original, new star missions and easter eggs would be nice though.
Im not paying full price again for an A --> B linear game (ahem, galaxy2) anymore, so personally this would be the only chance of me buying a mario game next gen.


Meanwhile, Injustice: Gods Among Us (basicaly Mortal Kombat but with DC characters) has been announced for WiiU (more WB love for Nintendo :angel: ).
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Zug Zug » 31 May 2012 10:56

That's great to see WB really supporting the Wii U.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Broken_Cartridge » 31 May 2012 11:12

NetherRealm has already tried to make a fighting game with DC characters. Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe....it was terrible. I don't have high hopes.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 11:55

A little birdie has informed me that a certain chemical element is making a game for Wii U, and will be published by Nintendo.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby motherbra1n » 31 May 2012 12:20

KingBroly wrote:A little birdie has informed me that a certain chemical element is making a game for Wii U, and will be published by Nintendo.

can you just tell us the name...
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby led-naruto » 31 May 2012 12:22

KingBroly wrote:A little birdie has informed me that a certain chemical element is making a game for Wii U, and will be published by Nintendo.

Oxygen Games?
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby motherbra1n » 31 May 2012 12:29

led-naruto wrote:
KingBroly wrote:A little birdie has informed me that a certain chemical element is making a game for Wii U, and will be published by Nintendo.

Oxygen Games?

ugh I hope not, look at their wiki page to see a list of all the crap they've made.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby J0RdAnN » 31 May 2012 12:40

Just wiki-ed Oxygen Games all shovel ware.
But Oxygen is the only company that fit's KingBroly's hint and this list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vi ... developers

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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 13:04

J0RdAnN wrote:Just wiki-ed Oxygen Games all shovel ware.
But Oxygen is the only company that fit's KingBroly's hint and this list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vi ... developers

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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby cortjezter » 31 May 2012 13:22

platinum. f00lz.

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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby motherbra1n » 31 May 2012 13:29

devil ma- I mean metal gear rising?
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 13:46

motherbra1n wrote:devil ma- I mean metal gear rising?


What part of "published by Nintendo" is so hard to understand?

And yes, the chemical element is Platinum.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby motherbra1n » 31 May 2012 13:49

KingBroly wrote:
motherbra1n wrote:devil ma- I mean metal gear rising?


What part of "published by Nintendo" is so hard to understand?

And yes, the chemical element is Platinum.


oh oops, i forgot about that.

Either way, they seem like a pretty mediocre developer
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 13:50

motherbra1n wrote:
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motherbra1n wrote:devil ma- I mean metal gear rising?


What part of "published by Nintendo" is so hard to understand?

And yes, the chemical element is Platinum.


oh oops, i forgot about that.

Either way, they seem like a pretty mediocre developer


Not sure if serious.

They only made the 2 best action games this generation.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Broken_Cartridge » 31 May 2012 14:02

How big of a company are they? I thought they were busy making metal gear rising revengance.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 14:04

I know they have 2 teams, at least. One did Bayonetta, then one did Vanquish. One team is doing Anarchy Reigns, while one is finishing Metal Gear Rising. Then you have Kamiya...whatever he's doing.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby led-naruto » 31 May 2012 14:40

cortjezter wrote:platinum. f00lz.

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My bad. =P I forgot platinum wasn't silver but an element.

But Platinum games was founded by the former key members of Clover Studio, so I don't know for sure what they'll show for the system...
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Irritating Stick » 31 May 2012 14:45

I figured Platinum was the dev. Published by Nintendo, you say? That would make it exclusive to Nintendo consoles.

So the main question is if they are working on one of Nintendo's franchises or are they coming up with something original? Out of the main Nintendo franchises, the ones that I think would fit the best would be StarFox and Kid Icarus, however, considering a Kid Icarus game was just released, that makes me lean towards StarFox for the franchise they're working on if they go that route.

If they're making their own original game then I have no idea what it could be.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 31 May 2012 14:49

Well I first heard about this supposed project last August, and when rumors of Bayonetta 2 started surfacing I tossed it aside thinking it was false, even though it specifically stated it wasn't Bayonetta 2. And then that didn't pan out either. Then last night out of the blue I'm told that yes, Platinum's working on a game for Nintendo, and it's one of the 3 up on their facebook page. Now there's more to the rumor than that of course, but I won't go into details.
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