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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 23 Mar 2012 02:50

NDA's isn't really a problem as much as I'd like to make sure what I've got is accurate. The stuff about Retro Studios, from what I've been told, along with my own personal research and dot connecting has me thinking it's accurate. I will bide my time for now as I'd rather wait until E3 is almost upon us.

As for the certain IP, it's mostly community people that give me crap about it. That's fine as I won't hold a banhammer over their heads as much as they want to hold it over me. My point is that I heard something significant late last year about it and I've been trying put pieces together as well as track down new information. Some things have popped up, but only crumbs along a winding path. And given recent events, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Jack_Atlas » 23 Mar 2012 04:23

Ah, I see makes more sense that way.

As for the IP I didn't think it would be people on GoNintendo, sorry to hear that, but is it significant information about a first party Nintendo title or 3rd party title?
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 23 Mar 2012 21:15

Why would it be about a 3rd party franchise?
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Broken_Cartridge » 24 Mar 2012 00:08

A mixture of pee and poo will spew out of my body if Retro is making an Eternal Darkness 2.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Jack_Atlas » 24 Mar 2012 00:46

KingBroly wrote:Why would it be about a 3rd party franchise?


Just asking, because normally when people discuss things and someone gets lost it's only natural to do a little detective work.You may have given me something to get my attention off of Micheal Bay's ass [unless he does something incredibly stupid again.]
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 24 Mar 2012 00:59

Jack_Atlas wrote:
KingBroly wrote:Why would it be about a 3rd party franchise?


Just asking, because normally when people discuss things and someone gets lost it's only natural to do a little detective work.You may have given me something to get my attention off of Micheal Bay's ass [unless he does something incredibly stupid again.]


But he does that every day.

I've done my homework on this. I'm just tweaking every now and then before the due date. It's good stuff...partially.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Jack_Atlas » 24 Mar 2012 01:19

Not lately, the TMNT stuff [the reason I think he's the anti-christ now] has calmed down the last big news that I heard was that Peter Laird posted on his blog.I think I posted that in the TMNT reboot movie thread.

So whens the big announcement? I would say E3 but with Nintendo you can never actually tell, it will also give me a deadline to crack this massive Da vinci code.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Serpent_Seed » 24 Mar 2012 07:44

Still planning a day 1 purchase. Trying to pick the three games I want. i know a lot will be revealed at E3 but already I feel Batman Arkham City and Darksiders 2 are locks. Darksiders is confirmed for launch and I feel Batman is too. Already got two and more are surely to be announced. This is getting pretty awesome.

Does anyone know if all Lego games are similar? I was planning to get Lego Harry Potter years 1-4 to see if I would want Lego city Stories.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Broken_Cartridge » 24 Mar 2012 09:01

Serpent_Seed wrote:Still planning a day 1 purchase. Trying to pick the three games I want. i know a lot will be revealed at E3 but already I feel Batman Arkham City and Darksiders 2 are locks. Darksiders is confirmed for launch and I feel Batman is too. Already got two and more are surely to be announced. This is getting pretty awesome.

Does anyone know if all Lego games are similar? I was planning to get Lego Harry Potter years 1-4 to see if I would want Lego city Stories.

There are some similarities between all lego games, but Lego City Stories will be a lot different then Lego Harry Potter. City Stories is designed to be an open world game. Think of City Stories as a Lego Grand Theft Auto.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby ddddd » 24 Mar 2012 09:05

Serpent_Seed wrote:Still planning a day 1 purchase. Trying to pick the three games I want. i know a lot will be revealed at E3 but already I feel Batman Arkham City and Darksiders 2 are locks. Darksiders is confirmed for launch and I feel Batman is too. Already got two and more are surely to be announced. This is getting pretty awesome.

Does anyone know if all Lego games are similar? I was planning to get Lego Harry Potter years 1-4 to see if I would want Lego city Stories.


For me, currently, the only "current gen ports" Im interested in have yet to be announced (and I hope they are eventualy), Im looking forward to the new games like project cars, ACIII, RE6(please!).

As for the Lego games? I think they are just the typical character driven game but with legos instead of persons. So for what Ive seen, they seem to be generic licensed games mostly, but City Stories could be very different with unique lego features ("Build your city", PLEASE!) or a simple GTA clone with less blood and pedestrian crashes. All Im saying is that you probably wont get City Stories' "feel" or "quality" ideas from other lego games because of the lincensed franchises they are based on (and the specific features and limitations they have because of the license).
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Serpent_Seed » 24 Mar 2012 15:17

I still have 2 locks. It's going to be real hard if they announce an awesome launch line up.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby ddddd » 25 Mar 2012 18:10

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... count=9083

Just read something official (middleware documentation I won't link here) that made it sound like the Wii U CPU should perform roughly comparable to Xenon for the most part, and better in some cases. So while the CPU itself is only slightly better, the fact that the system can offload stuff to the GPU and DSP leaves more computational performance for logic and AI. That's pretty much in line with my expectations.


While this not as bad as some people will make it seem, I kinda feel a bit let down.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby cortjezter » 25 Mar 2012 18:39

what's with everyone posting totally unsubstantiated rumors from neogaf?

i didn't know their plethora of non-news was news.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby ddddd » 25 Mar 2012 19:08

Because that thread has a least 5 users who have been confirmed to have either direct access to a wiiu kit or reliable second hand info, and those who invent crap (or get too annoying) get banned.


And this is the final nail in the coffin for this week

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... count=9316

Microsoft's next console seems like is going to be a huge jump in tech.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Broken_Cartridge » 25 Mar 2012 19:33

I'm a monkey. I can prove that by telling you that I eat bananas.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby LegendofZelda1996 » 25 Mar 2012 19:43

cortjezter wrote:what's with everyone posting totally unsubstantiated rumors from neogaf?


To answer your question, I think that people here thought that the source of the rumors from Ideaman (the one who posted rumors on the power on the Wii U on NeoGAF) is an accurate source (I am not trying to offend anyone, so if I did offend someone, then sorry) though for me, I am not so sure about the accuracy of the Wii U rumors from IdeaMan.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby ddddd » 25 Mar 2012 19:56

Broken_Cartridge wrote:I'm a monkey. I can prove that by telling you that I eat bananas.

Except that in that board you would get flamed for faking your info and banned for lacking a reliable source...

LegendofZelda1996 wrote:To answer your question, I think that people here thought that the source of the rumors from Ideaman (the one who posted rumors on the power on the Wii U on NeoGAF) is an accurate source (I am not trying to offend anyone, so if I did offend someone, then sorry) though for me, I am not so sure about the accuracy of the Wii U rumors from IdeaMan.

There are three more people there with better info and knowledge who are saying the same things, the difference is that this ideaman is more positive and wants to reassure that the wiiu is not a 360 with a touchscreen. Leaks from that thread series were posted before that user appeared.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 25 Mar 2012 20:57

I think if developers are having to port down from 360/PS3 to Wii U, that's a serious problem on their part, not Nintendo's.

I also think a complete power struggle between Microsoft and Sony will lead to another industry crash because people will keep losing their jobs over poor sales vs. rising development costs. That's what the Wii was originally designed to do, combat those costs. I think Wii U might do the same, at least for a while. But if MS/Sony get into another power pissing contest, the industry will lose many jobs.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 26 Mar 2012 03:49

ddddd wrote:Because that thread has a least 5 users who have been confirmed to have either direct access to a wiiu kit or reliable second hand info, and those who invent crap (or get too annoying) get banned.


And this is the final nail in the coffin for this week

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... count=9316

Microsoft's next console seems like is going to be a huge jump in tech.




I don't know man. It's actually pretty easy to fabricate "reliable sources" and "proof" these days, on the internet, in forums. I'm not saying for sure that some of these people DON'T know what they're talking about. But I also DO know that NeoGaf is hardly the place to get what I'd call "reliable" info, whereas they DO deal in rumors and speculation a LOT. Meaning, I wouldn't take what I read in there any more seriously than I would take rumors or "leaked info" being talked about here on GoNintendo.

Also, I seriously doubt either MS or Sony's next consoles are going to be THAT "huge of a jump in tech", because I don't think either one of them wants to lose money on every console sold for the first year or two after launch (again), and we're getting to a point where another enormous jump in console power just isn't that neccisary. A jump from Wii to Wii U is one thing, because Wii was "underpowered" compared to the competition, but for PS4 to be THAT much more powerful than PS3, instead of just a modest "jump", just wouldn't make much sense, and they'd have to wind up charging $600 at launch again, which at least initially, was a horrible idea on Sony's part. The PS3 didn't start selling well until the price dropped dramatically..and for that matter, the same can honestly be said about the 360, which wasn't selling like hotcakes right away either.




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Eternal Darkness 2 would be one case where I would not want anyone but Silicon Knights to do it. Sure, Too Human may have by all accounts sucked, but I would still rather have the people who actually made the first ED make the second, if there is to be one, because they developed the game, they know how to make it right. I'm sure someone like Retro could do a great job with it, but I would rather SK make a sequel to their own game, and have Retro be working on something completely different (BOTH for Wii U). That's the best of both worlds.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 26 Mar 2012 04:21

I trust ShockingAlberto's information on NeoGaf. He makes simple statements that really aren't outlandish. As for Microsoft going crazy it makes little sense to fully outstrip Nintendo in terms of power. The instant they announce how insanely more powerful 720 is than Wii U, Sony will come in and say 'we'll release PS4 and it's only going to be a smidge more powerful than Wii U.' Where does that leave MS? Well, they just lost a lot of money pouring money into power because they wanted to bleed Sony dry and they didn't go for it. In addition, they become the PS3 of this generation where more power means nothing because of price; and doing so will lose them a lot of support.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Jack_Atlas » 26 Mar 2012 04:57

Something tells me Sony's new boss will want to get into a pissing contest with Microsoft though[some stupid rivalry thing or something],because lately Sony has been about power,specs and every bit of shiz they can think of.Unfortunately it has not worked out and may end up hurting Sony more then helping their consumers.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby ddddd » 26 Mar 2012 08:18

The problem I see here is that if devs and publishers had a half functioning brain, they would realise they cant stay profitable on a monster console like that and they would be wise to stay on a tech level they can still compete without AAAAAA budget (and now the wiiu having all the graphic libraries and perhaps the newest ones would ensure not having to rework engines like the wii)

But then all this gen seems to indicate to me that whoever runs those companies would rather die of sifilis and drive the studio bankrupt than develop for nintendo consoles.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 26 Mar 2012 09:52

All the HD and AAA budgets and hollywood name actor voicework and big movie type scores, etc., in these games nowadays, is ridiculous. To look back and think that a surprise blockbuster game like Mortal Kombat was made by FIVE guys, most likely on a pretty small budget, and yet it looked, sounded and played fantastic for it's time, that is really something. To look at a game like Cave Story, which is a "modern retro" masterpiece, and a true testament to (in my mind) what gaming was and SHOULD still be, was made by ONE guy, in his spare time, and practically no budget at all. Yet it's a thousand times more entertaining, appealing, and fun to play, at least to ME, than a vast majority of these "blockbuster" titles that comes out on the HD twins this generation.

I'm not AGAINST big budget games, per say, nor am I AGAINST 3D games. But obviously, looking at my avatar, being familiar with my comments, I'm an "old school gamer". My first system was an Atari 2600. The first game I ever played was Pac-Man, in an actual arcade, at the age of like 3. My first "true love" of video games was Super Mario Bros. I think that pretty much says it all, as far as where my gaming views and tastes lie. But regardless, you look at games LIKE Donkey Kong, or Pac-Man, or Super Mario Bros., or Sonic the Hedgehog, or Double Dragon, or Mortal Kombat.....those games are classic for a reason. They're fun to play. They're entertaining in a way that is both simple, yet elegant unto itself. And you can go back and play them, and enjoy them, any time. How many modern games can most gamers honestly say that about? For all the bloated Hollywood-size budgets and HD hoopla, how many of these big releases are really fun to play through, enough to want to pick them up and go through them again, any time? I'd wager, for most, the answer is "not many".

I've thought since the PS2 generation, maybe starting even as far back as the PS1/N64 gen, that video games were starting to get away from what they originally were. It was becoming more about presentation and flash, than it was about gameplay and substance. I know some folks have gone round and round about this very subject on here before, but really, you can't say it's NOT true. As much as I've personally enjoyed some modern 3D games of this gen, I cannot honestly think of a single title that I would hold up to the likes of Super Mario Bros. 3, or Mega Man 2, or Castlevania, or Kirby's Adventure, as far as being FUN to play. For all the flash and dazzle that a wannabe playable movie like FFXIII had, to me, it doesn't hold a candle to FFIV, or Chrono Trigger, or Breath of Fire, because those games had great story, AND great gameplay.

I don't even think it's a case of, as many try to argue, "nostalgia". I just honestly think developers used to make better games back in the day. I think every generation since the N64 onward has gotten further and further away from what games WERE, to what we have now, which is, in large part, playable movies and quicktime events. That certainly isn't to say that there haven't been some great games this gen. There have. Super Mario Galaxy, for example, was amazing. But there's a reason, to my thinking, that New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold over 25 million copies, while SMG sold "only" 10 million. And that is, even though polygons cannot truly replicate the tight and precise controls of sprites, that people love that old school 2D Mario platforming. There's just something about it, the simplicity of it, it's just fun. And I think that while not EVERY game certainly needs to be 2D, I also certainly wish more were. Or a good old fashioned overhead Zelda, let's say, or things along those lines.

Game developers are driving themselves out of business these days. Look at Factor 5, or Free Radical. They each were known for great games, and then after one flop each, bam, out of business. Why? Because the money they spent pouring into the crap they made, wasn't made up in the amount of copies sold. That didn't happen, back in the day. Not because game budgets were too bloated. Sure, some companies went under, perhaps because their games just weren't that good, or just weren't well known. But to think that a long time ago, if a game sold 10,000 copies, that was considered a great success, and 100,000 was considered a runaway hit. Now adays, you hear people talking about selling a million not being enough for some games. And that, to me, is ridiculous. Mind you, I'm not complaining about the gorgeous graphics or wonderful soundtrack of a game like Mario Galaxy. I thought it was great. But I also got a lot more play out of NSMBWii, and it was for the reasons I mentioned.

Sorry to rant at length, but I really feel it all ties together. Overpowered consoles that cost too much to make, overpriced games that cost to much to make and even if they sell half a million, sometimes they're considered failures? That, to me, is just about unacceptable, and I think the entire industry really needs to rethink itself, and re-evaluate what made games of the past so great. It certainly wasn't HD graphics, or orchestrated soundtracks, or online deathmatch modes, or achievement trophies......
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 26 Mar 2012 13:35

ddddd wrote:The problem I see here is that if devs and publishers had a half functioning brain, they would realise they cant stay profitable on a monster console like that and they would be wise to stay on a tech level they can still compete without AAAAAA budget (and now the wiiu having all the graphic libraries and perhaps the newest ones would ensure not having to rework engines like the wii)

But then all this gen seems to indicate to me that whoever runs those companies would rather die of sifilis and drive the studio bankrupt than develop for nintendo consoles.


Mid and Low Tier Publishers and Developers wouldn't be able to develop for 720 if the costs were too high for them to make a profit. Your Activisions, EA's and Ubisofts wouldn't have a problem, as well as developers who are making First Party IP's. However, what made 360 the de facto platform is that the risk-reward benefits were still somewhat viable, despite everyone going for AAA status.

Most of the non-AAA developers wouldn't be able to make a game for 720 if they are a full generation leap ahead of 360/PS3 right now. They'd be relegated to making games for Wii U, Vita and 360/PS3 for a while at least, hurting the 720's chances of getting a lot of games and hardware adoption. PS4 maybe, just to speed up the death blow to 360/PS3. However, I honestly can't see Sony getting into financial lunacy with Microsoft again.

However, if they don't realize it, we'll only be left with a few developers, and that's ultimately bad for everyone.
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Re: Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Jack_Atlas » 26 Mar 2012 13:48

Really big wall of text, but you do make a lot of really good points.To be honest the only developer I think that is actually any good now is Masahiro Sakurai because his games still have a lot of quality put into them. Which is strange because I love Zelda to death but I think Aonuma needs to step aside or down and let someone else handle Zelda for once.Because when Ocarina of time came out he was not the directer or producer[he was assistant directer] and depending on how he handled the project it would either turn out fantastic,okay or lackluster[Majora's mask, twilight princess,skyward sword respectively.]

I hate to ask this but does anybody think it would be good for another industry crash? Seeing as the recent rumors are pretty much painting up a picture that none of the 3rd party publishers are smart enough to actually be running a business. If you answer try weighing the pros and cons when thinking about it I thought it would be something like "spring cleaning" so to speak.
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