Super Smash Bros. U - The Long Wait Thread

[Chosenoneknuckles]

- I just imagined Zoroark since it was similar in build to Lucario. Personally, I think it'd be cool if they did something with the Illusion Ability, but maybe they can do that as a Pokeball and finally get that Ditto ability from Melee. I just want Mewtwo back, really. And I would've loved Deoxys as playable. Haha.

Zoroark would be an easy skin over Lucario [other than the flailing hair anyway], yeah. Mewtwo should definitely be back in.

I just want a non-humanoid [non-PT] playable pkmn for once. *sighs*

- Starfy/Stafy IS Kirby-ish in design, but I would hope they'd acknowledge that he's nothing like Kirby. I mean, he IS an Assist in Brawl and they DID finally release a game of his here. Gotta dream.

Time will tell.

- I think Waluigi could make up a moveset out of sidegames (like Tennis, Golf, etc). He would be interesting. Daisy is too similar to Peach (as is Rosalina) and would be more likely clones, so those are obviously not good choices. There's also Toad. I just think there should be one more Mario rep that isn't something like Birdo or a one-off character.

Ugh. Toad.

I'd prefer Paper Mario for a newcomer myself - but I guess Waluigi could be chaotic [and thus an instant Smash fit]...

- Yeah, the Nintendo Land game and him being in Captain Rainbow are the big pulls for me. Almost positive he was considered at one point for one of them, but I might be making that up.

Time will tell.

- Nothing against Medusa. I think Pit, Palutena and Medusa would all be good. Though maybe Palutena would be too similar to Zelda but with a staff? And thus similar to probably Krystal as well (assuming you wanted her to use the staff).

Yep, I was imagining Adventures Krystal.

Though, as mentioned later on, Krystal could be a faster Staff user VS Palutena perhaps?

- Personally, if I had to pick a character from ED, I'd have wanted Pious. Any kind of acknowledgment of the series would be beautiful though.

Pious is coolio, him or Alex [with the other as an AT?] would be just fine.

- I just think MM is more iconic. There are lots of series that would have amazing stage/music potential. I would love some Castlevania love thrown SSB's way, especially if Snake is out (which seems obvious at this point; Probably in Sony Smash Bros.).

Fair enough - I just can't relate to MM.

All depends on whether we get simply 2 [again] or 3 Third Party characters this time.

- I am pumped you put Black Mage. Too bad Vivi isn't really on anything Nintendo related (I don't think he's in any of the KH games other than KH2, but I may be wrong). Square is pretty buddy-buddy with Nintendo again now though, so anything's possible. Especially with all the Mario Sports/Hoops and Fortune Street games. Though I'd be bummed out if we got SLIME instead of Black Mage. D: Or Sora.

Nope. Only appeared in KH2 mefraid.

And agreed, love KH - but KH/Sora [like Snake/MGS] are too ingrained in Sony's history [even with CoM and DDD].

Slime would be a nice AT, perhaps.

And heck, thinking about it, BlackMage already has a model base for them to work on from that Mario Hoops game...

In any case, this game will be interesting since, while Sakurai is indeed in charge of it, Bandai-Namco could have some influence. And Nintendo will probably try to push certain things (like Roy in Melee).

I just hope Namco go for a historical favourite [Pac-Man] and don't push a new Soul Calibur or Tales character that hasn't appeared on a Nintendo console yet.

[But then the roster will be done and dusted by this year's end, so unless something from either IP is in the works for the Wii U, then I don't see any reason Sakurai to acknowledge either]

... At least it isn't Capcom here. Good lord would that give me nightmares!

[Blazing Warwolf]

Oh how much I would love to see an Animal Crossing character to be on the roster, but when I think about it, I can't see any of them fighting. If any, Tom Nook would be the choice.

What?! Mr. Resetti with feet didn't come to mind? He already has the attitude and a weapon, and he'd be a lot more mobile than if he were in the ground.

[Blazing Warwolf]

Maybe because Smash Bros is NOT a crossover fighting game, nor is it supposed to be one. >.>
That's why the majority of the characters in Brawl are from Nintendo and why ALL the characters in the N64 and Melee versions are Nintendo characters. If you want an actual crossover fighting game that involves Nintendo characters, then hope for a Nintendo vs Capcom game or something.

Also, Smash Bros. IS a crossover game. Unless you're suggesting that Kirby, Link and Ness are usually together in the same games and from the same franchises.

What I meant by that is that they're Nintendo characters, and it's not like they're usually fighting other characters from other companies. So in a way, no, it's not a crossover fighting game. It's mostly just a "Nintendo vs Nintendo" game. Does that sound like a crossover to you? And besides, aren't crossovers usually defined as when characters fight characters from another company, not characters fighting characters within the same company but in different games/franchises? I was gonna explain myself further like that earlier through editing, but I didn't feel like it. *shrugs*

[dkanddiddy]

It's mostly just a "Nintendo vs Nintendo" game. Does that sound like a crossover to you?

My thoughts exactly. Unless the New Super Smash Bros. will be called Nintendo vs. Capcom or something like that, it's not a crossover in my opinion. And expanding on that subject, Super Smash Bros. should always be a mostly Nintendo game. 5 or 6 non-nintendo characters AT THE MOST.

[Broken_Cartridge]

What I meant by that is that they're Nintendo characters, and it's not like they're usually fighting other characters from other companies. So in a way, no, it's not a crossover fighting game. It's mostly just a "Nintendo vs Nintendo" game. Does that sound like a crossover to you? And besides, aren't crossovers usually defined as when characters fight characters from another company, not characters fighting characters within the same company but in different games/franchises? I was gonna explain myself further like that earlier through editing, but I didn't feel like it. *shrugs*

It is completely a crossover game. These franchises, even though created by the same company, do not belong together. Plot wise (I guess that's the proper terminology) they got them to fit together by saying that the characters were toys and that it's a child playing with these toys and the child's imagination that makes these battles happen. Literally any video game character can fit into that plot.

Nintendo will first and foremost put Nintendo characters and tributes into their game, but Brawl showed us that they are not afraid to put other characters into the mix. Don't be surprised if there are more then 2 third party characters in the next game.

[smashbros4svp]

What I meant by that is that they're Nintendo characters, and it's not like they're usually fighting other characters from other companies. So in a way, no, it's not a crossover fighting game. It's mostly just a "Nintendo vs Nintendo" game. Does that sound like a crossover to you? And besides, aren't crossovers usually defined as when characters fight characters from another company, not characters fighting characters within the same company but in different games/franchises? I was gonna explain myself further like that earlier through editing, but I didn't feel like it. *shrugs*

It is completely a crossover game. These franchises, even though created by the same company, do not belong together. Plot wise (I guess that's the proper terminology) they got them to fit together by saying that the characters were toys and that it's a child playing with these toys and the child's imagination that makes these battles happen. Literally any video game character can fit into that plot.

Nintendo will first and foremost put Nintendo characters and tributes into their game, but Brawl showed us that they are not afraid to put other characters into the mix. Don't be surprised if there are more then 2 third party characters in the next game.

This.The 3rd party characters are likely to be mostly,if not all,Namco characters with at least one appearance on a Nintendo platform since Namco is developing the game with project Sora.

[Chosenoneknuckles]

Nintendo will first and foremost put Nintendo characters and tributes into their game, but Brawl showed us that they are not afraid to put other characters into the mix. Don't be surprised if there are more then 2 third party characters in the next game.

Don't be surprised to see Sakurai remain conservative and simply add 1 to Brawl's Third Party total [so Sonic + 2 new guys], either.

*Hopes for Pac-Man and BlackMage*

[Broken_Cartridge]

Nintendo will first and foremost put Nintendo characters and tributes into their game, but Brawl showed us that they are not afraid to put other characters into the mix. Don't be surprised if there are more then 2 third party characters in the next game.

Don't be surprised to see Sakurai remain conservative and simply add 1 to Brawl's Third Party total [so Sonic + 2 new guys], either.

*Hopes for Pac-Man and BlackMage*

I have no problem with that, and can see that happening. I said to not be surprised if there is more then 2. Which....3 is more then 2.

Like I said, I think Nintendo will first and foremost dedicate the game to Nintendo. I just think there will be more then 2 3rd party characters present in the game. As for the exact quantity...I have no idea.

[Ngamer01]

I personally expect some Tales characters to get in for guest fighters/ATs/cameos as the Tales series is the most successful series Namco has had on Nintendo platforms. But anything is possible.

[Devil_Rising]

Tales, no. It's a series that stretches across various platforms. Baten Kaitos, created by Monolith Soft who is now nearly wholly owned by Nintendo? Yes.

[Ngamer01]

Tales of Symphonia, ToS: Dawn of the New World, and now Tales of the Abyss are three successful Tales games that have hit Nintendo platforms worldwide and there are other Tales games that have appeared only in Japan on certain Nintendo platforms from the SNES to the DS with some of them doing well too.

But out of them all, only Tales of Symphonia is the most successful Tales game out of the series that has appeared on Nintendo consoles. But like I mentioned, anything is possible. Namco could pull for Pac-Man for being the sole third party rep for all I know. <.<;;

[battletanxxxx]

Pacman would be an awesome addition as long as he didn't play like Kirby, if i want to play a Kirby like character I'd just play with Kirby

[smashbros4svp]

Pacman and Kirby are nothing alike.But i wonder how Pacman would play like if he becomes a playable character.Maybe a gameplay style that reflect how he`s chased by ghost all the time in his old game...

[Chosenoneknuckles]

Tales of Symphonia, ToS: Dawn of the New World, and now Tales of the Abyss are three successful Tales games that have hit Nintendo platforms worldwide and there are other Tales games that have appeared only in Japan on certain Nintendo platforms from the SNES to the DS with some of them doing well too.

But out of them all, only Tales of Symphonia is the most successful Tales game out of the series that has appeared on Nintendo consoles. But like I mentioned, anything is possible. Namco could pull for Pac-Man for being the sole third party rep for all I know. <.<;;

That actually sold well?

[Note: It didn't come out here in the UK and in Europe till two years after the American release - by which time I'd, personally, given up on it]

[HammerGalladeBro]

I don't think Pac-Man and Kirby would be the same, Pac-Man wakawakas while Kirby swallows, not the same thing.

[led-naruto]

I'm kind of suprised people have forgotten about Goemon, he would make a really good fighter and has very fitting moves for a Smash.

Then again, he's from Konami....... And they have Bomberman now... oh decisions, decisions...

[bunny-cow]

Now that Namco Bandai are at play, time to update my personal roster! (which involved a solo or a preferred pair tag-team gimmick explained pages ago which is why I listed in pairs)

+F.L.U.D.D. Mario & Mario
+Paper Mario & Yarn Kirby (not one, but three Marios!)
+Poltergust Luigi & Luigi
+Zero Suit Samus standalone & Samus
+Chibi Link with new moveset & Link
+Ghirahim & Ganondorf with new moveset
+Impa or Sheik standalone & Zelda standalone
+Fox & Wolf
+Krystal & Falco
+Kirby & Meta Knight
+Bowser & King DeDeDe
+Peach & Yoshi
+Captain Syrup & Wario (ha! No Waluigi for you!)
+King K. Rool & Donkey Kong
+Dixie Kong & Diddy Kong
+Pokemon Trainer v.2 & Pikachu
+Meloetta & best and most improved Jigglypuff EVER! (or else!)
+Palutena & Pit
+Krom/Roy/Ike/Marth/Whoever & Lucina <-- spoilers for North Americans until 2013, just don't google it
+Little Mac & Captain Falcon
+Ness & Lucas
+R.O.B. & Mr. Game and Watch
+Chibi-Robo & Olimar
+Ice Climbers & Isa paired with Kachi
+Shulk & Isaac
+Mr. Driller/KOS-MOS/Yoshimitsu & Mega Man
+Pac-Man & Sonic

Notes:
* at the thought of 54 or possibly more characters! Prove me wrong, Smash Team!
*I didn't add in a Mewtwo/Lucario/Zoroark/"Mature Pokemon" because they have the personalities of an ironing board, but one will definitely make it and Meloetta will definitely be just a Pokemon item.
*Snake couldn't make it to the party because he died in a fire.
* I've seen a lot of your guy's list and disappointed to see many of them lack any female characters in them. I hope to see a lot of you on the Captain Syrup/Palutena/Krystal/Dixie Kong/Kachi/Lucina bandwagon in the future!
*I added four possible Namco characters because Pac-Man is now a shoe-in, Mr. Driller fits the status quo (but probably not going to happen), and KOS-MOS is there to fill in the more "mature" characters. I don't see people from Tekken or Soul Calibur making it here though....unless you're Yoshimitsu who's strange enough and well known to work. I feel like KOS-MOS still has some popularity and can technically count since Xenosaga I & II released for the DS. Game also has ties to the now first-party Monolith Soft. Then again, series is all but dead now lol.
*The Tales series seems too overflowing with characters to pick just one representative and would serve Namco Bandai to just make their own Tales fighting game. Tales Trophies it is then!
*Forgot about Starfy and Jill from Drill Dozer. Their assist trophies make me think they'll have limited movement range... DLC characters for you then!
*Out of all the newcomers in my list, I think Pac-Man, Palutena, Ghirahim, and Dixie Kong are the only shoe-ins. Pac-Man is a must, Palutena is Sakurai's love goddess now, Ghirahim is widely requested, and Dixie Kong was planned in Brawl anyway and the Donkey Kong brand has become stronger now and Dixie fills in the female void. Krystal should be a lock (even in Brawl!) but main concern is whether the Star Fox brand warrants a fourth slot. Little Mac should be a safe lock too. King K. Rool is a question of whether the DK brand warrants a fourth character (damn him if he takes Dixie's slot). I feel that Lucina will definitely have a Fire Emblem slot possibly alongside mainstay Marth. The rest are toss-ups... except for Captain Syrup, who has a 100% chance of becoming a playable character in this one...ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE!!!

[Chosenoneknuckles]

* I've seen a lot of your guy's list and disappointed to see many of them lack any female characters in them. I hope to see a lot of you on the Captain Syrup/Palutena/Krystal/Dixie Kong/Kachi/Lucina bandwagon in the future!

I beg to differ on females:

Here is my SSB4 Wishlist btw:
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/176/d/d/ssb_wii_u_roster_wishlist_by_chosenoneknuckles-d41i73a.png

[MoldyClay]

Ugh. Toad.

I'd prefer Paper Mario for a newcomer myself - but I guess Waluigi could be chaotic [and thus an instant Smash fit]...

I just wrote Toad as another possibility. I don't really think he'd be a viable character. And I totally support Paper Mario. Hammer and Paper moves. CAN'T GO WRONG.

What I meant by that is that they're Nintendo characters, and it's not like they're usually fighting other characters from other companies. So in a way, no, it's not a crossover fighting game. It's mostly just a "Nintendo vs Nintendo" game. Does that sound like a crossover to you? And besides, aren't crossovers usually defined as when characters fight characters from another company, not characters fighting characters within the same company but in different games/franchises?

Given the definition of "crossover", yes. Rationalizing it as Nintendo vs. Nintendo doesn't make it not a crossover. Crossovers are defined as different characters from different franchises/universes, not different companies. Those are just the most common. A same company crossover is still a crossover.

Fighters Megamix and the SEGA Superstars games from SEGA, featuring only their own characters, are also crossovers. Dissidia is a pseudo crossover game (since it's technically Final Fantasy, but each Final Fantasy is their own universe).

And at its core, if you want to break SSB down, it's a crossover of Nintendo's different teams, like GAMEFREAK, Intelligent Systems, HAL, Nintendo EAD, etc... but regardless, it's still a crossover. It has nothing to do with different companies, that's just another type of crossover.

Brawl took a step in the direction of the "3rd party crossover" and I can almost guarantee SSB4 will continue that.

Super Smash Bros. should always be a mostly Nintendo game. 5 or 6 non-nintendo characters AT THE MOST.

I don't think anyone ever wanted more non-Nintendo characters than Nintendo. At this point it'd be impossible anyway. They would have to cut too many characters and add in too many new ones in their place.

*I didn't add in a Mewtwo/Lucario/Zoroark/"Mature Pokemon" because they have the personalities of an ironing board, but one will definitely make it and Meloetta will definitely be just a Pokemon item.

* I've seen a lot of your guy's list and disappointed to see many of them lack any female characters in them. I hope to see a lot of you on the Captain Syrup/Palutena/Krystal/Dixie Kong/Kachi/Lucina bandwagon in the future!

* mfw personalities being relevant to roster spot. *cough*halftherosterhasnopersonality*cough* Also Mature Pokemon? wat?

* Dixie doesn't need her own spot. She's Diddy as a girl and would swing her hair. Too much of a clone bait. Palutena and Krystal are good ideas. Anyone from S&P is a great idea.

Needs more Kumatora over Lucas (DOHOHOHO I WENT THERE)

[smashbros4svp]

Now that Namco Bandai are at play, time to update my personal roster! (which involved a solo or a preferred pair tag-team gimmick explained pages ago which is why I listed in pairs)

+F.L.U.D.D. Mario & Mario
+Paper Mario & Yarn Kirby (not one, but three Marios!)
+Poltergust Luigi & Luigi
+Zero Suit Samus standalone & Samus
+Chibi Link with new moveset & Link
+Ghirahim & Ganondorf with new moveset
+Impa or Sheik standalone & Zelda standalone
+Fox & Wolf
+Krystal & Falco
+Kirby & Meta Knight
+Bowser & King DeDeDe
+Peach & Yoshi
+Captain Syrup & Wario (ha! No Waluigi for you!)
+King K. Rool & Donkey Kong
+Dixie Kong & Diddy Kong
+Pokemon Trainer v.2 & Pikachu
+Meloetta & best and most improved Jigglypuff EVER! (or else!)
+Palutena & Pit
+Krom/Roy/Ike/Marth/Whoever & Lucina <-- spoilers for North Americans until 2013, just don't google it
+Little Mac & Captain Falcon
+Ness & Lucas
+R.O.B. & Mr. Game and Watch
+Chibi-Robo & Olimar
+Ice Climbers & Isa paired with Kachi
+Shulk & Isaac
+Mr. Driller/KOS-MOS/Yoshimitsu & Mega Man
+Pac-Man & Sonic

Notes:
* at the thought of 54 or possibly more characters! Prove me wrong, Smash Team!
*I didn't add in a Mewtwo/Lucario/Zoroark/"Mature Pokemon" because they have the personalities of an ironing board, but one will definitely make it and Meloetta will definitely be just a Pokemon item.
*Snake couldn't make it to the party because he died in a fire.
* I've seen a lot of your guy's list and disappointed to see many of them lack any female characters in them. I hope to see a lot of you on the Captain Syrup/Palutena/Krystal/Dixie Kong/Kachi/Lucina bandwagon in the future!
*I added four possible Namco characters because Pac-Man is now a shoe-in, Mr. Driller fits the status quo (but probably not going to happen), and KOS-MOS is there to fill in the more "mature" characters. I don't see people from Tekken or Soul Calibur making it here though....unless you're Yoshimitsu who's strange enough and well known to work. I feel like KOS-MOS still has some popularity and can technically count since Xenosaga I & II released for the DS. Game also has ties to the now first-party Monolith Soft. Then again, series is all but dead now lol.
*The Tales series seems too overflowing with characters to pick just one representative and would serve Namco Bandai to just make their own Tales fighting game. Tales Trophies it is then!
*Forgot about Starfy and Jill from Drill Dozer. Their assist trophies make me think they'll have limited movement range... DLC characters for you then!
*Out of all the newcomers in my list, I think Pac-Man, Palutena, Ghirahim, and Dixie Kong are the only shoe-ins. Pac-Man is a must, Palutena is Sakurai's love goddess now, Ghirahim is widely requested, and Dixie Kong was planned in Brawl anyway and the Donkey Kong brand has become stronger now and Dixie fills in the female void. Krystal should be a lock (even in Brawl!) but main concern is whether the Star Fox brand warrants a fourth slot. Little Mac should be a safe lock too. King K. Rool is a question of whether the DK brand warrants a fourth character (damn him if he takes Dixie's slot). I feel that Lucina will definitely have a Fire Emblem slot possibly alongside mainstay Marth. The rest are toss-ups... except for Captain Syrup, who has a 100% chance of becoming a playable character in this one...ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE!!!

To be honest,i went to look at the size of rosters in Namco`s fighting games and i dont think they will ever be 54 or more characters.Some of past Tekken games had less characters than their predecesor while the biggest roster they had achieved to date was 41 characters in the sixth game.While SoulCalibur had 30 characters in the third game and yet,while 4 and 5 had respectively 26 and 30 characters.

I could be wrong but if i look at their track reccords when it comes to characters and how Nintendo teamed up with Namco so the next game could be released quicker,maybe 40 characters but i doubt 54.

However your roster isn`t too bad through.

[bunny-cow]

Chosenoneknuckles
:gasp: Missing Alexandra Roivas was an oversight yet still reminds me of no Eternal Darkness 2 in sight.

MoldyClay
"Mature" Pokemon are the ones I consider not cutesy like Pikachu and Jigglypuff and in this case, they're the grittier-looking ones that are humanoid that can psychically talk. And I don't see Dixie Kong as a blatant clone of Diddy. Her ability to fly with her ponytail plus some other hair-whipping attacks alone makes her stand out from Diddy mechanics. I don't see her being part of the unholy cycle of Fox/Falco/Wolf clones as her potential jumping game alone would pit her against Smash's fliers and floaters like Kirby/Jigglypuff/Meta Knight/Peach.

smashbros4svp
Don't forget Tekken Tag Tournament 2! They have well over 50 fighters at this point, but I'm sure Smash 4 will make drastic cuts to the cast probably topping at 42 characters going in because it might become too time/labor intensive to bring in everyone back and make adjustments and balances.

[Chosenoneknuckles]

Chosenoneknuckles
:gasp: Missing Alexandra Roivas was an oversight yet still reminds me of no Eternal Darkness 2 in sight.

Yeah... when I made this, like, two years ago, I was pretty sure we'd have got a new ED game revealed by now [it would've been my MEGATON of this year's E3].

Alas. Maybe next year...

[led-naruto]

MoldyClay
"Mature" Pokemon are the ones I consider not cutesy like Pikachu and Jigglypuff and in this case, they're the grittier-looking ones that are humanoid that can psychically talk.

You're saying like Hitmonlee or Gardevoir? That would be pretty good, but Zoroark makes the cut already. And thing is, characters like Ivysaur look really interesting to be in the roster.

[MoldyClay]

MoldyClay
"Mature" Pokemon are the ones I consider not cutesy like Pikachu and Jigglypuff and in this case, they're the grittier-looking ones that are humanoid that can psychically talk. And I don't see Dixie Kong as a blatant clone of Diddy. Her ability to fly with her ponytail plus some other hair-whipping attacks alone makes her stand out from Diddy mechanics. I don't see her being part of the unholy cycle of Fox/Falco/Wolf clones as her potential jumping game alone would pit her against Smash's fliers and floaters like Kirby/Jigglypuff/Meta Knight/Peach.

Well that's just silly (regarding the Pokemon), and basing it on the movies. Zoroark doesn't even talk (Zorua does).

As for Dixie, that's true, but I think Dixie would go great as an alternate character to Diddy. Like if they followed each other (like Ice Climbers) but like in DKC, you could switch them.

And honestly, aside from the B moves/Final Smash, I feel like Fox, Falco and Wolf are barely anything alike. Though I also do not feel like all 3 need to exist in the series/game(s). Falco's moves should assimilate into Fox and Wolf.

You're saying like Hitmonlee or Gardevoir? That would be pretty good, but Zoroark makes the cut already. And thing is, characters like Ivysaur look really interesting to be in the roster.

bunny-cow is saying "No" to humanoid/talking characters. Does not want Zoroark.

As for making the cut already, we don't really know. By the time SSB4 comes out I can almost guarantee we will be in 6th Gen. Nintendo has been shoving 5th gen out the window at lightning speeds, potentially to get to 6th gen/3DS games. I say this because not only has Ash in the anime already completed the Unova region (and even obtained Roxie's badge), but Japan is already getting Meloetta and Keldeo (which I imagine we'll get near the end of the year) and there is a rumor that Genesect is already on the horizon. And we're already on the "3rd Version" (in the form of 2 games). Zoroark's movie is a year old and will no longer be relevant when SSBU/3D are out.

It is more likely that a 6th gen Pokemon will appear in Lucario's place instead of Zoroark, simply due to the fact Nintendo uses SSB as an advertisement (i.e., Lucario, Roy, Ike, etc) and they'll want to push the newest games.

In any case, honestly, if I had my way, I'd replace all the current Pokemon with Pokemon Trainers that have various Pokemon across the generations that are all diverse in size, type and style. I loved Pokemon Trainer.

[led-naruto]

As for making the cut already, we don't really know. By the time SSB4 comes out I can almost guarantee we will be in 6th Gen. Nintendo has been shoving 5th gen out the window at lightning speeds, potentially to get to 6th gen/3DS games. I say this because not only has Ash in the anime already completed the Unova region (and even obtained Roxie's badge), but Japan is already getting Meloetta and Keldeo (which I imagine we'll get near the end of the year) and there is a rumor that Genesect is already on the horizon. And we're already on the "3rd Version" (in the form of 2 games). Zoroark's movie is a year old and will no longer be relevant when SSBU/3D are out.

It is more likely that a 6th gen Pokemon will appear in Lucario's place instead of Zoroark, simply due to the fact Nintendo uses SSB as an advertisement (i.e., Lucario, Roy, Ike, etc) and they'll want to push the newest games.

In any case, honestly, if I had my way, I'd replace all the current Pokemon with Pokemon Trainers that have various Pokemon across the generations that are all diverse in size, type and style. I loved Pokemon Trainer.

Really you're thinking a 6th gen Pokemon will appear? I'm not sure, it's too soon. Normally for a generation to appear it takes more than 3 years, that's probably what would take the two Smash titles to be developed, and there wouldn't be enough time to add any character from the new generation you speak of.

Besides, people are also wanting for remakes of the Ruby and Sapphire versions, they can probably do those before the new gen.

As for a Pokémon Trainer, I prefer the idea of the characters being starters only, but yes, it would be great that they were from different regions.