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Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby kingofe3 » 19 May 2012 12:41

Mega Rumor! Retro might be working on a Star Fox and Metroid collaboration! Take this with a major grain of salt!

"Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga"

■Some folk at Retro Studios wanted to develop a new ip that involved 3rd person sci-fi action with intense aerial combat.
■Others apparently were leaning towards taking the Star Fox helm.
■Nintendo sees Retro Studios as a very competent developer and worked with them in creating the hybrid title of Star Fox – Metroid: Fusion Saga.
■The title has multiple gameplay mechanics and needed a wide staff of talent to incorporate the many ideas.
■The story begins as you control Fox McCloud and the Star Fox team on deep space mission in your Arwing, flying through a Meteos-like stage. As you enter a light speed warp, there’s a collision with an orange ship (Samus’) and the game continues with you now plummeting to a planet as Samus in her craft. You’re in mild control of her ship, using the Wii U controller to look around and touch screen press the lit up buttons to prepare for impact (while the TV stays locked on what you see out of the cockpit). You’re now on land, as a “yet again” stripped down Samus Aran with the most basic of weapon abilities, in first person perspective, traversing through this unknown planet.
■The game switches off between intense Arwing space and planetary battles as Fox makes his way to the planet that Samus crashed on and a Metroid Prime-like experience of gameplay as Samus on this planet, gradually uncovering its mysteries, leveling up, etc.
■The Star Fox stages represent what the series is best known for, including the chatter and coming to the aid of the rest of your team, all range mode battles, and on rails stages.
■The Metroid part of the game puts you alone, void of human or any talking character contact, and like the Prime series, sees you gaining upgrades, battling bosses, and in this case, repairing your ship.
■The game is said to be epic in size, scope, ambition.
■The pacing has been perfected to not interrupt what the feeling is behind either franchise, since Star Fox is more often known for being acceptable to have short sessions with and Metroid rather the opposite. You can opt to continue playing either just Samus’ part or Fox’s part without crossing over for much of the main game (or play it as it’s scripted back and forth), but will eventually have to complete both, as the characters will ultimately meet up.
■There will be later parts in the game where you do get to control Samus’ ship and fly it Star Fox style.
■Likewise, Fox McCloud will be controllable by foot (both the above and this bullet point represent a period in the game after the two sides meet up) and be played via 3rd person perspective. Think of Jet Force Gemini with Fox’s known agility as he’s portrayed to having in the Smash Bros. series. (Fox will move more like Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden and less like he did in Star Fox Adventures).
■Though a tentative title, the idea behind the story of “Fusion Saga” is both a play on the fact that the two series are fusing together into one game and of course, a storyline behind Andross using Metroids to enhance himself, his army, etc.
■Star Fox – Metroid: Fusion Saga is wholly a satisfying adventure game as Samus, an equally electrifying aerial combat game as Fox, and something that delivers an exciting, special change that fans will love.
■In consideration was the Star Fox portion having 4 player co-op online, but instead the game will have leaderboards for time and percent complete for all parts of the game and multiplayer will be simply versus mode based.

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To be truthful, I don't believe this one bit, but the site is the same one who leaked Donkey Kong Country Returns and Playstation All-Stars: Battle Royale. Thoughts?
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby motherbra1n » 19 May 2012 12:58

this sounds absolutely crazy but like you say, the source is very reliable. I actually remember dkcr being leaked before e3 2010 and that was like the only time where i saw the trailer and remembered "holy crap, the rumour was true"

if this is true, then it will either be a complete disaster or amazing
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby ddddd » 19 May 2012 13:02

The source is not 100% reliable. He "leaked" the Rocksteady TMNT game and it was complete bs. He is not even convinced of the rumor itself and cannot verify it, whereas the Sony smash ripoff he was 100% sure it was the real thing.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby KingBroly » 19 May 2012 13:04

Every Fathom of my being wants to delete this topic into Oblivion...but I can't. I must...stay...objective...
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby motherbra1n » 19 May 2012 13:08

This sounds like such a big risk but if they pull it off it will be one of the best games ever made, and I have faith that retro will do just that. I really hope this is true.

I almost don't even care about anything else at E3 anymore, if retro's game isn't revealed it'll be such a crushing disappointment.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby AtomicBean » 19 May 2012 13:11

ddddd wrote:The source is not 100% reliable. He "leaked" the Rocksteady TMNT game and it was complete bs. He is not even convinced of the rumor itself and cannot verify it.


Big Red Flag!

Also, the game's title is kinda confusing...because it sounds like a tie-in with an existing Metroid game. But the supposed details we have completely contradict that.

Nothing about this rumor really makes sense to me.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Kafei464 » 19 May 2012 14:21

AtomicBean wrote:
ddddd wrote:The source is not 100% reliable. He "leaked" the Rocksteady TMNT game and it was complete bs. He is not even convinced of the rumor itself and cannot verify it.


Big Red Flag!

Also, the game's title is kinda confusing...because it sounds like a tie-in with an existing Metroid game. But the supposed details we have completely contradict that.

Nothing about this rumor really makes sense to me.


Yeah, makes it sound like it takes place after Metroid Fusion, but Samus has her orange ship?
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Eternal Rain » 19 May 2012 17:38

This sounds like it's too good to be true, so I'm not really going to even believe it's true until we get to E3 and see what happens. I'll believe in the possibility of either a Metroid and/or Star Fox game being announced, but a crossover game of the two? I dunno, that just sounds too unlikely.

IF (and that's a big IF) this ends up being true, then it sounds like it's just crazy enough to be the most awesome sci-fi game ever.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby mariomaniac45213 » 19 May 2012 17:50

This is TOTALLY fake like Nintendo does crossovers outside of Smash Bros. and Mii's in certain Mario spin-offs! This is total BS! Though the Starfox fanboy in me wants this to be true just for HD starfox.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Kafei464 » 19 May 2012 18:11

mariomaniac45213 wrote:This is TOTALLY fake like Nintendo does crossovers outside of Smash Bros. and Mii's in certain Mario spin-offs! This is total BS! Though the Starfox fanboy in me wants this to be true just for HD starfox.

I knew the Mario and Sonic games, Captain Rainbow (Mario, Zelda, Nintendo Wars, Punch Out, and others), Fortune Street (Mario/Dragon Quest), and Mario hoops 3 on 3/Mario Sports Mix (Mario/Final Fantasy plus a Slime) were insane delusions of mine, along with all those times Mario enemies and even Kirby showed up in Zelda games!
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby luigi_owns » 19 May 2012 18:12

- In consideration was the Star Fox portion having 4 player co-op online, but instead the game will have leaderboards for time and percent complete for all parts of the game and multiplayer will be simply versus mode based.

this makes me rage. assuming its true, nintendo has changed nothing with the wii u. how sad
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby link29 » 19 May 2012 18:39

luigi_owns wrote:- In consideration was the Star Fox portion having 4 player co-op online, but instead the game will have leaderboards for time and percent complete for all parts of the game and multiplayer will be simply versus mode based.

this makes me rage. assuming its true, nintendo has changed nothing with the wii u. how sad
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby mariomaniac45213 » 19 May 2012 18:45

Kafei464 wrote:
mariomaniac45213 wrote:This is TOTALLY fake like Nintendo does crossovers outside of Smash Bros. and Mii's in certain Mario spin-offs! This is total BS! Though the Starfox fanboy in me wants this to be true just for HD starfox.

I knew the Mario and Sonic games, Captain Rainbow (Mario, Zelda, Nintendo Wars, Punch Out, and others), Fortune Street (Mario/Dragon Quest), and Mario hoops 3 on 3/Mario Sports Mix (Mario/Final Fantasy plus a Slime) were insane delusions of mine, along with all those times Mario enemies and even Kirby showed up in Zelda games!


All of those were made by 3rd party developers at the request of Nintendo except Captain Rainbow. I'm talking about Nintendo developed Crossovers. Since Retro Studios is a fully owned Second Party of Nintendo's they are a part of Nintendo.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Jerome » 19 May 2012 18:49

I think (and sincerely hope) that this rumor is completely false.

Both these series are in trouble currently Because Nintendo let developers indulge their creativity and mess with what worked in the first place (Starfox with every new entry after 64, and Metroid with Other M). How in the world would messing with things even more by trying to jam two very different games into one make things better? The successful Star Fox games have been on-rails and prominently featured squadmate interaction with talking animals, while the successful Metroid games have been about non-linear exploration and a profound feeling of isolation in somber, realistic environments. Despite both taking place in a futuristic Sci-Fi setting, these two series are profoundly different, and wouldn't mesh well.

The only reason I'd hold out hope of this being halfway decent (if it's indeed real) is Retro's great track record, but even then I think it's just a bad idea.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Gulshog » 19 May 2012 20:09

I do not believe this rumor, one bit.

Either they are working on a Star Fox game, with Metroid like FPS segments, or a new IP. I don't think they are going to do another Metroid for a while...and I don't think they'd do a Star Fox X Metroid mish mash of a game. Why make 2 games in 1, when you can just make 2 games? This doesn't make sense at all, from a business/resource standpoint, and if anything, Nintendo is extremely smart in this category.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby J0RdAnN » 19 May 2012 21:29

I remember a year called 1999 when there where rumors of a Nintendo cross over fighting game being released. Everyone thought it was fake. "No way Nintendo would do that!" people exclaimed. Well that crossover came out and became extremely successful, so I will take is a a rumor.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby KingBroly » 19 May 2012 22:45

Samus: "Who are you guys?"

*Camera slowly pans over

Fox: "We're Star Fox"


Seriously though, this is a terrible idea and I hate it with all of my hate.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Jack_Atlas » 19 May 2012 23:01

KingBroly wrote:
Samus: "Who are you guys?"

*Camera slowly pans over

Fox: "We're Star Fox"


Seriously though, this is a terrible idea and I hate it with all of my hate.


Who was that guy who said the Star Fox characters looked better cartoony then the more realistic Star Fox Adventures look?

Could we possibly have toon Samus/toon Zero Suit Samus because of some butt-head wanting cartoon Star Fox characters?
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby KingBroly » 19 May 2012 23:04

Adventures was bad not because of the look, but because Star Fox was tacked on. Not only that, it's quite frustrating near the end. The Button Mashing event from hell near the end...it took a year to do, and I had to have my roommate do it. Terrible.

And people sort of want a Paper Mario-esque Metroid, because it'd be a parody, and it'd be inherently hilarious. But for me, I wouldn't make it "Toon Metroid" but instead...

Spoiler:
Crayon Metroid


Mainly because the aesthetic has to add some kind of unique gameplay element to it, like Paper Mario and Kirby's Epic Yarn. A cartoon look wouldn't do that.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Jerome » 20 May 2012 00:43

@KingBroly,

Personally, after Other M, I don't think Metroid needs to satirize itself any more. The series has always been pretty somber, as opposed to the bright, cheerful, and ripe-for-self-parody Super Mario games.

At this point, I think a well-made 2.5D Metroid (for either Wii U or 3DS) would be the best thing Nintendo could do. It could be all "next-gen" and shiny like Shadow Complex, which majorly rips off Super Metroid anyway.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Devil_Rising » 20 May 2012 00:44

This rumor does not reek of "dream come true". It reeks of "Oh God, why?". The two series do not even take place in the same universe. Star Fox takes place (apparently) in an "Aniverse", similar to Bucky O'Hare, where all sentient forms of life are various kinds of animals. Samus Aran does not exist in that universe, and quite frankly, shouldn't.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby KingBroly » 20 May 2012 00:54

Jerome wrote:@KingBroly,

Not sure if your suggestion there was serious, but after Other M, do you really think Metroid needs to satirize itself any more?

At this point, I think a well-made 2.5D Metroid for either Wii U or 3DS, would be the best thing Nintendo could do. It could be all next-gen and shiny like Shadow Complex, which majorly rips off Super Metroid anyway.


Satire, when it's suppose to be satire, is usually quite good. That's why Paper Mario works. You know it's 4th wall breaking. It also uses paper as a proper gameplay mechanic that can be manipulated in various ways for enjoyment. And that's why there is an interest out there for "Paper Zelda" and "Paper Metroid" because people want to see it done, and done well. Other M was not satire. It was a cruel joke perpetrated by a bunch of people who have no business making Metroid games.

That is in part why something like this horrible rumor comes up. Because people don't believe Nintendo knows what to do with either of these franchises anymore, and haven't for a long time.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Jack_Atlas » 20 May 2012 03:44

KingBroly wrote:Adventures was bad not because of the look, but because Star Fox was tacked on. Not only that, it's quite frustrating near the end. The Button Mashing event from hell near the end...it took a year to do, and I had to have my roommate do it. Terrible.

And people sort of want a Paper Mario-esque Metroid, because it'd be a parody, and it'd be inherently hilarious. But for me, I wouldn't make it "Toon Metroid" but instead...

Spoiler:
Crayon Metroid


Mainly because the aesthetic has to add some kind of unique gameplay element to it, like Paper Mario and Kirby's Epic Yarn. A cartoon look wouldn't do that.


I wouldn't say tacked on it was more like glued on, the Star Fox characters fit within the dinosaur planet universe, it's just the story was pretty good/okay maybe even mediocre, but my major problem is Falco not being involved until the very end, Krystal's role in the story and the mystery behind Andross. I am scratching my head over the major plot hole left thanks to Nintendo of America not translating that manga.

Which button mashing event are you referring too? The Lightfoot named Musclefoot or the Krazoa test of strength?
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby Jerome » 20 May 2012 07:38

KingBroly wrote:Satire, when it's suppose to be satire, is usually quite good. That's why Paper Mario works. You know it's 4th wall breaking. It also uses paper as a proper gameplay mechanic that can be manipulated in various ways for enjoyment.

Yeah, I can agree with that. I guess I question that being a good strategy for Metroid in the near future, though. At least, not until Nintendo releases a legitimately good Metroid first, to reassure people they still know how to make it.

KingBroly wrote:Other M was not satire. It was a cruel joke perpetrated by a bunch of people who have no business making Metroid games.

Maybe I didn't pick the correct term, I just meant the last serious entry in the series did a good enough job making it look ridiculous. As far as the people involved having no business making Metroid games, I agree. What's weird about that is that Sakamoto (who was responsible for much of the game's most cringe-worthy elements) has been a part of the Metroid team for decades.

KingBroly wrote:That is in part why something like this horrible rumor comes up. Because people don't believe Nintendo knows what to do with either of these franchises anymore, and haven't for a long time.

I don't believe it's a lack of knowing what to do with them, I think it's their obsession with pushing novel game elements and mechanics over everything else. Apparently making a new traditional 2D Metroid, or a new on-rails Starfox with lots of new content just isn't "suprising" enough.
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Re: Rumor: Star Fox & Metroid: Fusion Saga?

Postby thresholdXCI » 20 May 2012 08:13

I'm sure at Nintendo there are enough people with a brain to realise what a terrible idea this would be. This is far too stupid a rumour to be true.
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