Do you think the Wii U will cause problems for Nintendo?

[LegendofZelda1996]

Hello everyone. I have a question to ask regarding the Wii U. Do you think the Wii U will cause problems for Nintendo?

Well, I have been hearing gamers saying that there are problems with the Wii U which could cause problems for Nintendo which are (by the way, I apologise if I sound like a troll and this sounds too repetitive):

- Nintendo decided to keep the Wii U name for their new console instead of abandoning the Wii U name entirely and giving a different name to their new console (Gamers say that this is a problem, because the Wii U name will confuse people about if the Wii U is a brand new console or just an add on to the Wii & the Wii U name both sounds and is outright stupid)

- There is a rumour that says that the Wii U is only 2x stronger than the current gen consoles (Gamers are saying that this is a problem, because many third party developers will think that the Wii U is not powerful enough to be classified as a next gen console and they will avoid developing games for the Wii U until it is too late)

- The Wii U GamePad and the Wii U Pro controller does not have analog triggers (Gamers are saying that this is the problem, because of the fact that racing games and shooters rely heavily on using the analog triggers)

- The Wii U GamePad has a resisitive touchscreen instead of a capacitive touchscreen (Gamers are saying that this is the problem, because there is no excuse for the Wii U GamePad to not have a capacitive touchscreen since now, a capacitive touchscreen is cheaper to produce than in the past, and there is no excuse for the Wii U GamePad to not have a capacitive touchscreen since smartphones, mouse touchpads, tablet computers, and the PlayStation Vita have a capacitive touchscreen)

- The Wii U does not have a built in storage (an internal HDD) nor a USB 3.0 (Gamers say that this is a problem, because not having a built in storage makes storing digital games you bought via online difficult since digital games have a large filesize and digital games can make the storage in the Wii U run out quickly & a USB 2.0 has slower transfers than with a USB 3.0 and not having a USB 3.0 makes the Wii U seem very outdated and it makes the Wii U vulnerable to the XBOX 720 and the PlayStation 4)

Edit - So far, first party Wii U games only run at 720p at 60 fps instead of running it at 1080p at 60 fps (Gamers say that this is a problem, because first party Wii U games not running at 1080p in 60 fps makes the Wii U illegible to be a next gen console, but instead, the Wii U is an another current gen console, and it makes the Wii U not future proof and vulnerable to the XBOX 720 and the PlayStation 4)

- There is no confirmation that Grand Theft Auto V, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and etc. will be launch titles for the Wii U (Gamers say that this is the problem, because if Grand Theft Auto V, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, and etc. is not confirmed to be launch titles for the Wii U, third parties will play the waiting game and not develop any games on the Wii U until it is too late)

I can agree with them on some points, but on most points, not so much. What do you guys think?

[FatFace83]

I think these "gamers" need to know that not even the PS4 and next Xbox are futureproof right at this moment. Also when did we start labeling a console as next gen purely by its power and capabilities?

[CorusFace]

quick answer: no. not in the long term

i'm not sure who "gamers" comprise of, but as one who spends thousands of hours and thousands of dollars on Nintendo products each generation, i would definitely call myself a gamer. and as a gamer, i don't see any of these things being a huge issue in the long run. whatever the "problem", developers will either find a way around them or not make their game for the wii u. plain and simple.

- the 'wii u' name is here to stay, and people will either get over it, remain ignorant, or use it as an excuse to keep hating nintendo.
- 2x stronger than current gen consoles is still pretty epic, and it's like a 6x leap over the wii. i won't complain over 2x, especially since i was only expecting 1.5x.
- analog triggers - or lack thereof - can be worked around. if project c.a.r.s. can get around it, every one else should be able to get around it. do "gamers" really have a huge issue with this...?
- nintendo said it themselves, they don't want people to have to set their gamepads down to do perform multitouch actions on the screen. it interrupts gameplay tremendously, their intention is for one hand to hold the controller and the other to take care of whatever the touchscreen needs. i don't think they feel capacitive touchscreens would be worth it. (besides, the only way "gamers" would really care about this is if their main form of gaming is via a smart phone or tablet or something... which discredits their claim to be "gamers" a bit, doesn't it? unless you argue about the vita, but which vat game truly uses capacitive in a way that resistive just wouldn't be enough? i digress...)
- i can somewhat understand backlash over this one, since it is something other systems have had for years and people who play other consoles have grown used to.... but if it keeps costs down, i will gladly use whatever external device i feel like for storage and not make a huge fuss about it. usb 2.0 seems to still be the common practice for the foreseeable future, so like the lack of hd for the wii, i think it's just something people are going to have to swallow. oh well.
- is it absolutely certain that the wii u cannot run 1080p at 60fps for any game, ever? i know e3's demos weren't pulling said performances off, but i'd like to see a source...
- i am pretty sure that black ops 2 has been leaked for the wii u, thanks to leaked image scans, and while other games
(such as splinter cell, tomb raider, resident evil, gta v, etc.) have yet to be confirmed, we will find hear a yes or no for sure eventually. waiting just simply sucks.

the wii u will have it's issues, and nintendo has done a somewhat poor job of showing the wii u off properly. but nintendo will either fix these problems swiftly and earn the support it needs, or try and do better next time.... in 2017.

[LegendofZelda1996]

- is it absolutely certain that the wii u cannot run 1080p at 60fps for any game, ever? i know e3's demos weren't pulling said performances off, but i'd like to see a source...
- i am pretty sure that black ops 2 has been leaked for the wii u, thanks to leaked image scans

Well, a Nintendo representative said that first party Wii U games will run in 720p (and with no mention if first party Wii U games can run in 1080p): http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=178729 (I suggest you take a look at the Discussions Preview section to see comments from gamers about this subject)

I think I remember Nintendo Gamer not being the most reliable source since Nintendo Gamer can be misleading, but who knows? And when I meant confirmation, I meant an official confirmation, not an alleged leak.

[Broken_Cartridge]

Saying that you think the Wii U will cause problems for Nintendo because of the specs is like saying that the Wii caused problems for Nintendo. Despite the Wii's specs, it sold very well. All Nintendo has to do is convey to their Wii fans (yes there is a lot of Wii fans out there) that this is a new system.

With the recent generations there have been a lot of 3rd party games that we have not received on the Nintendo console. Nintendo did just fine without them, and the reason is is because Nintendo is in the business of making games. There is a difference this time around though, this time Nintendo is actively seeking out partnerships with 3rd parties to get games on their console (i.e. P100). Which, if they succeed will mean that there are a lot of exclusive 3rd party titles on the Wii U. In my opinion, that is way better then getting the multiplatform games.

[CyberTbe]

Graphic wise I don't think the Wii U will be a problem. Games at 720p only? Won't bother me. As long as they look and play good, it's all fine. I've never bothered for 3rd party content on Nintendo console, but that just me.

When the next generation hits, you will probably notice the games won't look much better then the current generation the first year. Developers need time to adjust. (Remember the first Xbox 360 and PS3 titles? No big wow there). Plus I hope the games won't get more expensive as they did with the current gen. I think that this generation could last another 2-3 years.

But where Nintendo might have failed is the name of the Wii U. For us die hard fans it's no problem to separate the Wii and the Wii U, but it will confuse the mainstream market I think, I noticed this also with the 3DS. And I'm not sure Nintendo Land will hit as big as Wii Sports did. But, Nintendo continues to amaze us.

That being said, I made my pre-order for the Wii U one year ago and I can't wait to get it

[LegendofZelda1996]

I hear NeoGAF users saying that the Wii U name will cause a ton of problems for Nintendo and I hear NeoGAF users showing big resentment towards Nintendo and they are demanding Nintendo to rename their new console.

This is really going to be a huge problem for Nintendo.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... ostcount=8

If Nintendo still has to correct people after E3 that the Wii U is not an add-on but a new console, there is a problem. It is very real, and it's a big one.

Rename the goddamn thing, Nintendo. You still have time.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=11

It's their own fault in the end. They are the ones refusing to talk about the console itself, colored it white, named the system Wii U, and keep focusing on the controller only.

Rename the system. Reshape the console hardware and make sure you only launch it in black. Problem fixed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=13

Totally expected. It's a legitimate problem and has been since last year. 3DS had the same exact issue and Nintendo has been going out of their way to do the same exact thing Wii U ever since it was revealed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=14

Nintendo deserves any damage done by this confusion as they didn't learn the lesson with 3DS. Name it Wii 2 or something new, just not that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=19

Yeah at this point it's time to abandon the name and come up with a new one that's impossible to confuse with the Wii.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=24

We've been saying this for a year. It's a huge branding problem.

Apple can afford to get clever with its branding. They're part of the cultural conversation and have enough clout to pull it off. Nintendo doesn't.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=25

It's Nintendo's own fault. They should have seen this coming after the disaster that was HD-DVD and the more recent 3DS. Names that imply an incremental upgrade and don't clearly usher in a brand new generation of technology are doomed to cause mass confusion amongst the public that doesn't follow announcements with baited breath.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=50

The fact that nintendo isn't doing something as obvious as changing the name to wii 2 says a lot about their corporate structure

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=51

What do you think about these comments from these NeoGAF users?

[KingBroly]

'Wii 2? Why would I get something weaker than a PS3 or 360"

3 > 2

Same reason why Microsoft called it the Xbox 360, not the Xbox 2 this generation. Think.

[Broken_Cartridge]

Like I stated in a previous thread of yours. Neogaf members LOVE complaining. They're the biggest bunch of complainers on the internet. Of course they are going to react like that. They react like this every year.

Edit: The whole "correcting" thing about the Wii U is not a big deal. I work in retail, and every customer I had thought that the 3DS was the same thing as the DS but in 3D. Between Retailers and Nintendo educating them that it is actually something new the portable has sold very well so far. I expect the same kind of results for the Wii U.

[Mirr0rR3flection]

The Wii U has already begun to cause problems and it hasn't even released yet. For starters the name, which is confusing people on whether its a new system or not which is all very sad. (*Plus I regrettably was once one of those people last year after seeing the E3 Wii"U" video live on G4 and then needing to see Reggie after the conference to clarify that its a new console and not a add-on to the Wii.*) I think the real question here we should be asking is "Do you think the Wii"U" will be causing future problems for Nintendo?"

[FadedAreWii]

Not at all, now or in the future. Any problems perceived are amongst hardcore gamers on the internet and aren't likely to reach much beyond that, and it's the same thing with them and Nintendo every time they release a system, so it's all just over-bloated BS on the internet as everyone is in excite mode as it nears launch and crap talking reaches a peak.

[gtt]

Short answer. No. Long answer, Maybe in the long term.

[Einar1025]

Yes, but I think that cause it looks like Nintendo is trying to make the wii lightning bolt strike twice, and I doubt it will.

[Lakster37]

I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of the name. I wasn't around at the time so I honestly don't know, was there a large amount of confusion about the SNES or the GameBoy Color AND GameBoy Advance? It's nothing new, building off the name of a successful previous console for the next one. Give it a year and no one will even remember that there even WAS any confusion over it (except for maybe those same "gamers" who are complaining about it now and who are the ones now that actually know that it's a new console...). And besides, even if there IS some initial confusion - what's it really matter? I'm assuming you won't be able to buy JUST the Wii U Game Pad at launch, so you'll get the console anyways, and it CAN play Wii games and use just about, if not all, of its controllers/peripherals. The only real problem I could see is the price if someone's expecting it's just an "addon" for the Wii, but that initial confusion won't last long.

I do have a question about analog triggers though - how much are they actually used? I wasn't even that aware that it was that much of an issue until all the discussion over the Wii U's triggers. Did a quick Google/Wikipedia search and I guess the GAMECUBE had analog triggers? Wonder why'd they'd take 'em out for the Wii U, assuming the final build really won't have them. Does PS2/PS3 have analog triggers?

[HammerGalladeBro]

I know they will have problems with the Wii U, and they will overcome them as well, but they won't be as bad as your typical (biased) media and (misinformed) analysts will make them seem.

[kernal]

reads topic. reads comments from whinny message board posters on another site. looks at past events. looks at nintendo's track record. reads comments from a majority of developers... calculating.. calculating..

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