Pachter - Wii U and Nintendo are 'toast'

[TheChosen]

Toast?

[motherbra1n]

why is this idiot freaking out about the fact that we don't have a price point for this console, the damn thing will more than likely not launch till september at the earliest.

and really whats this whole, "if they launch at anything higher than $250 they are doomed" when we really don't know that much about the console. We just know what the controller is capable of doing and that a few third parties are porting some of their ps3/360 games and thats it

I think he's just being a troll now, he can't really mean any of this stuff unless he really is that stupid.

[Byronic Hero]

If:
3DS = Best thing since sliced bread.

Then:
Wii U = "Toast" which = toasted, sliced bread.

Don't you see? Patcher harbors a secret love for Nintendo.

PATCHER = DECODED!

[Swedish_Otaku]

How does he still manage to be taken seriously and have any kind of respect when he says such utter crap? I'm serious, this has nothing to do with fanboyism or trolling or anger or whatever. He's just an idiot and that's the truth. So why do people still want to deal with him? I don't know what to say anymore...

[link29]

F*ck this c*nt, he's nothing.

[internet]

oh yeah the fabulous 360 and kinect the one that should have done 2 millions in december 2011 instead of less than november

[Agent_Rad]

“I think Sony and Microsoft are in disarray. I think the idea that they've convinced themselves that we'll buy any more of their F-Tier product, is just sad. I think they've completely blown that. [The ps4 and 720] are not going to launch, ever. They're dead if they launch, I think they're toast then. I think they're toast anyway, trying to convince an audience outside of their dumbass demographic, that their 5-year failed products are just starting to come into their prime. I think the Xbox 360 with Kinect will be priced below [the Wii U] by the time they launch, because they're just going to want to get rid of that failed experiment and pretend it never happened.” - Agent Rad, Gonintendo Forums


Send that crazy ol' Mikey's paycheques to me! It's time for a new generation of superanalysts to take over.

[Chosenoneknuckles]

If the Wii U comes out at £/$250 [with game bundles] - as I feel it should - then they'll be MINTED more like.

[ArgyleBandit]

His whole statement assumes that the demand for the Wii U will be based on cost. If you have a Wii U priced at 300$ vs Xbox + Kinect at 200$ then on paper the Xbox does look like the better deal. What Pachter's spreadsheet can't tell him is how consumers will react to the new tablet controller when final details do emerge.

Nintendo appears to have done everything they can to prepare the Wii U for success. Third parties have had access for almost a year now and have been given the time to develop for the platform and provide Nintendo with feedback. We've seen stories of Nintendo talking with media companies and online gaming companies which gives me hope that the Wii U will have decent media and online capabilities. If Nintendo is able to show off compelling new experiences with the controller and show that they've fixed the shortcomings of the Wii there is no reason that the demand for the Wii U won't far exceed Pachter's expectations.

[XCWarrior]

Stop giving him attention RMC! Stop posting his crap. He's just a Playstation/Xbox troll who brings no intellegence to the table.

[HyperInuyasha]

If this guy truly believes everything he says, then I seriously doubt that's he's professional.

[AnoukiAgentYellow]

I'd take some delicious Nintendo toast over an iPad anyday.

[Radiant]

Why in the world does anybody pay attention to this guy anymore?

[bptboy]

Man, wish I got paid to troll.

[CyTheLegend]

Patcher: Nintendo is doomed because they're doomed. If they do this right, then they're doomed because they will be doomed.

[jasonmaivia]

Nintendo has lost all of the steam that was powering the Wii for the first few years. The've completely mishandled the machine and could have prevented people from moving on to other platforms. Losing 3rd party support also killed gamer interests, and having not enough exclusive games is going to hurt Wii U if they cannot match what the PS3 and Xbox 360 are getting today and later this year going into 2013.

[burnincheez]

A troll is unreasonable. What Pachter is saying about Nintendo is totally reasonable. He may end up being wrong, and we all hope for that, but from a business standpoint, he's bringing up some issues that Nintendo needs to be concerned about.

[ZS]

Nintendo has lost all of the steam that was powering the Wii for the first few years. The've completely mishandled the machine and could have prevented people from moving on to other platforms. Losing 3rd party support also killed gamer interests, and having not enough exclusive games is going to hurt Wii U if they cannot match what the PS3 and Xbox 360 are getting today and later this year going into 2013.

I like how absolutely zero percent of this post is correct, as evident by sales numbers from the past holiday season for the 3DS and Wii.

[Sitri]

Nintendo has lost all of the steam that was powering the Wii for the first few years. The've completely mishandled the machine and could have prevented people from moving on to other platforms. Losing 3rd party support also killed gamer interests, and having not enough exclusive games is going to hurt Wii U if they cannot match what the PS3 and Xbox 360 are getting today and later this year going into 2013.

I like how absolutely zero percent of this post is correct, as evident by sales numbers from the past holiday season for the 3DS and Wii.

What exactly is incorrect about it? It just sounds like you're a blind fanboy who can't see when a company screws up.

The Wii had so much potential, but only a handful of games truly utilized the console to the fullest extent. The only game that actually seems to use the Wii for all it's got is Skyward Sword. So much could have been accomplished, but we got so many minigames, Mario 64, Wii Sports, etc.

And I agree with him. The PS360 still have 2 or 3 years left in them, and the Wii U is going to have to compete with them, especially with the current-gen consoles coming down in price.

Patcher isn't trolling, he is being logical. Unless the U is at a similar price point to the current-gen consoles, and has a killer app at launch, it is going to fail. Look at what happened to the 3DS compared to the DS.

[Jikkle]

The fact of the matter is there is just too little information to speculate one way or another on if the Wii U is poised for success or doomed to failure.

We need to know what Nintendo is doing with online, more on what the controller can do, and what games they have brewing.

I think they have an uphill battle with the Wii U but I think if they play their cards right the Wii U can be a very successful system.

If they intend to be very successful they absolutely have to get their online network right and I think they have to get exclusive games right and expand on their stable of games outside of the Mario's and Zelda's etc. And I think they did a better job of expanding their game offerings with games like The Last Story and Xenoblades on the Wii but those games came out too late to make an impact especially outside of Japan. They just need to make sure those games come out sooner on the Wii U and give them proper localization treatment and an even greater degree of polish.

[Koopzilla]

@LegendofSantiago @tcouto

The story linked as the source was posted today and it says that these comments were from an address that Pachter gave on Thursday.

"Michael Pachter, Managing Director of Equity Research at Wedbush Securities, gave the keynote address at the [a]list game marketing summit in San Francisco on Thursday, and he had a number of provocative observations for the assembled crowd of game marketers."

So no, it's not a repost and it's not old news. Maybe he has said similar things in the past.

http://www.gonintendo.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=79179
This is either reposted from friday, or he has said basically the exact same thing again. It's still just as ridiculous today. I guess he's trying a new strategy of saying the same thing repeatedly to try to will one of his predictions to actually come true.
today:

“I think Nintendo's in disarray. I think the idea that we don't know the price point yet, but we do know what the console is, is just sad. I think they've completely blown that. It's gonna launch at $249; because it has to. They're dead if they launch at $259, I think they're toast then. I think they're toast anyway. I think the Xbox 360 with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch.” - Michael Pachter

Friday:

“I think Nintendo is in disarray. I think they’ve completely blown the Wii U by not telling people what the price is going to be. It’s going to launch at $249 because it has to. I think they’re dead anyway because Xbox with Kinect will be priced below that by the time they launch. Wii was a bubble and that the Wii bubble has burst.” - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter

My theory is Pachter is HipHopGamer unsuccessfully trying to lend his baseless claims some credibility on the GoNintendo message boards:

Another great episode by my man Pachter!

My man Pachter does have a point. It doesn't really make a lot of sense that the numbers are lower than they were in '04.

Another great episode of Pach-attack from my man Pachter!

[Gakdudes]

Microsoft is just paying the guy to say things to discredit Nintendo so third parties will not put to much money towards the U. They've got nothing to lose by getting this tool to spout out this garbage. That's why he is being so specific with the price point. We all know it won't launch for $250, he's just trying to put the launch price in a bad light by trying to form the popular opinion that it should be $250.

[Muigi]

Because a repost is relevant.

[Devil_Rising]

What a ****ing turd.

Not only does this guy not know the first thing about video games beyond the economics of their sales data, but the Wii U could launch at $300 (hell, I half expect it to), and STILL sell like hotcakes.

The ONLY reason the 3DS got off to a slow start? It had a really weak launch lineup. Nintendo isn't going to make that mistake again.


The PS3 launched at $600 originally, and sold like a slug at first because of that. It was hardly "toast", in retrospect, was it?

[BigLord]

I was instantly reminded of this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... oomsOfDoom

Seriously, he loves that word, doesn't he?