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Tales of the Abyss goes on clearance at Target

Postby robometal cowboy » 30 Apr 2012 00:28

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Postby The_King_Up_North » 30 Apr 2012 00:35

20 bucks? Still an awesome price, but that title made me think it'd be closer to $10. I probably would've gotten it along with Kid Icarus tomorrow if it was $10.
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Postby WesFX » 30 Apr 2012 00:35

As always, availability will vary.
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Postby thegame85 » 30 Apr 2012 00:45

Don't get too excited everyone. Target clearance items and prices vary from store to store.
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Postby Broken_Cartridge » 30 Apr 2012 00:49

I think I'm gonna check my local Target and see if they have the same deal going on (and if it's available)
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Postby Asrialys » 30 Apr 2012 00:54

lol Probably JUST got their stock in and have lost all potential sales.
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Postby Jirachi » 30 Apr 2012 01:03

once again tales fans are screwing them selves over namco bandai doen't care if you own the ps2 version the fact is they need good sales.
you want xilia in north america then stop making excuses i bought tales of abyss 3d even though i own the ps2 version.
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Postby thegame85 » 30 Apr 2012 01:12

Xillia is coming to the US it seems:

http://kotaku.com/5896540/report-namco- ... -of-xillia

I did my part, preordered and bought Tales of Graces f. I would have bought this but I don't own a 3ds
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Postby Orian » 30 Apr 2012 01:20

Awww, crap, and to think I actually bought the 3Ds version and forgot I had it. Oooh well, not like Target is in Canada yet.
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Postby metalpants » 30 Apr 2012 01:42

Must get!
(>٭□٭)> Wii U
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Postby Rashef » 30 Apr 2012 01:54

Cool. They also went on clearance here in Europe, except here it was called "the initial stock". :/
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Postby jasonmaivia » 30 Apr 2012 02:21

@Jirachi
How in the heck are Tales fans screwing themselves for not re-buying a game that they already own?

I don't want to pay for another port. I WILL pay for a brand new Tales game.
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Postby pummy84 » 30 Apr 2012 02:29

This is a very huge YMMV (Your mileage may vary) situation. According the forum at CAG, it seems only a small amount of Targets have this on clearance.
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Postby Jirachi » 30 Apr 2012 03:07

@jasonmaiviaI was saying namco doesn't care what excuses you make people always make excuses not to buy tales games"I don't own a 360" "i don't own a wii" "i don't own a ps3" everytime you make an excuse like that you decide not to buy the game,which is why the tales seris doesn't do so well in america which is why namco is reluctant to bring it here.

and how is another there has only be two ports so far this and phantasia it also fixed some glitches and made the loading times alot shorter so it's not a 100% port
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Postby sonic7877 » 30 Apr 2012 03:50

jasonmaivia wrote:@Jirachi
How in the heck are Tales fans screwing themselves for not re-buying a game that they already own?

I don't want to pay for another port. I WILL pay for a brand new Tales game.


this. I want to support the franchise, but I already own this game on PS2. It's not a game I need on the go, because I will probably only play it once every 4-5 years.
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Postby mock turtle » 30 Apr 2012 06:51

@Jirachi
Not that I don't see what you're saying, but it's also kind of ridiculous to buy a game for a system you don't have; that's not an excuse, that's common sense.

At any rate, I have Abyss 3D (never had the PS2 version, and the 3DS is starved for RPGs, so I'm happy) and Graces f, so hopefully I've shown enough support to Namco Bandai and more ardent fans such ad yourself to prove I want Xillia, too.
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Re: Tales of the Abyss goes on clearance at Target

Postby jasonmaivia » 30 Apr 2012 07:42

@Jirachi

That's almost like saying that Tales of ______ didn't sell because Tales fans didn't buy enough Xboxes. It doesn't work that way. Even though you can buy a Tales game on the PSP, for example, doesn't mean that every who want to play that game wants a PSP.

Namco's job is to sell the product to a console's fanbase, not to sell consoles. If Tales fans don't own an Xbox, then there won't be as many sold units, unless Namco does a good enough job winning over new fans. There are Tales fans on all major consoles, but it's NAMCO that's not giving fans the games. I don't believe we are where we are because of poor sales.

The ones we have now sold decently well (for a Tales game). Since there's a fanbase outside Japan, where in the hell is Tales of Rebirth, Innocence, Graces (Wii), Hearts, and the REAL Destiny 2?

Was the Wii version of Graces not good enough to be brought over?
Tales of Xillia isn't guaranteed, even if the latest ones sell well.
Did they believe that the Western Nintendo DS userbase, the largest handheld fanbase yet, wasn't the right audience for either Tales game?? The DS was r-r-r-r-rich with RPG content! So, where were the Tales games then??

If Namco or any other company wants my money, they'll get it when I have a new, good Tales game in my hands. There a long list of untranslated Tales games that gamers in the West could be buying if they were brought over.
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Postby LegendofSantiago » 30 Apr 2012 08:13

I couldn't bring myself to play through the game. It's pretty bad
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Postby lonecow » 30 Apr 2012 11:12

I agree with the above poster. I'm not trying to troll but damn I have never hated a main character as much as I hated that guy. He never got any redeeming qualities which you typically get from whiny JRPG protags.

I would have rather played Tales of Wurthering Heights with Heathcliff as the main character, as he at least had one redeeming quality.

That said, are all Tales games like this one or is this the worst of the lot? Because even though I know I should give up on the series they still always draw my interest.
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Postby mock turtle » 30 Apr 2012 11:24

@jasonmaivia
Let me preface this by saying that I agree with every last thing that you're saying (and I'm still especially bitter about never getting Tales of Hearts), but I wanted to interject with one thing about Graces Wii.

It sucks to hear, and I'm not going to say that it's not, but the truth is that the Wii version actually wasn't good enough to be brought over, to put it in the blunt terms you used. There was a litany of reasons why the Wii version couldn't be localized. First of all, the original release was apparently a buggy mess, and due to the Wii's inability to distribute game patches, Namco only got a chance to fix it when they ported it to the PS3. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what prompted the port in the first place, to be honest.

Second, unlike a game such as Rune Factory: Tides of Destiny, where the game was the same on both platforms with the exception of graphics, Graces F contained a whole new epilogue that, from what I read, is half the length of the main campaign, à la Persona 3 FES. (I should mention I bought the game mere days ago and won't get to play it for at least two weeks, although given my backlog it'll probably be much longer, which is why I'm not speaking from experience.) Now, bugs notwithstanding, NB could have released the Wii version here alongside the PS3 version without the PS3-exclusive epilogue, but that would've prompted a huge outcry from those complaining that the Wii version was an incomplete product. Of course, that's fairly ironic since we live in an age of yearly franchises with minimal updates and games receiving huge amounts of DLC that sometimes even features the "true ending," but that's gaming hypocrisy for you. To avoid such complaints, their only option would have been to port Graces F back to Wii, which would probably have been the first time in history something like that has happened, but there are a couple reasons why this wouldn't have been feasible.

For starters, there's converting HD graphics to a lesser system. Ever notice how games made for all three current-gen systems often have a different developer for the Wii version? That's usually because porting a PS360 game to Wii is too difficult, unlike porting a Wii game to PS360, so they just have a lesser team try to recreate it concurrently. Then there's the issue of space; Tales of Graces was apparently a pretty large Wii game, although I don't know the exact numbers, which is actually kind of funny considering recent news looking at Wii game sizes. Obviously this wouldn't be a problem when porting it to the PS3, because it would have moved from Wii optical disc (which is mostly similar to a DVD) to Blu-ray disc. Putting all the content of a Blu-ray disc on a DVD, however, would be almost impossible. Graces F's epilogue presumably took advantage of the PS3 hardware, from the obvious added space to the superior processing power, so the only way they could have put the epilogue on Wii would have been by putting it on a second disc. Not only would this have been much more costly, I don't even think there have been any double-disc Wii games released during the system's life. The only other alternative they would have had at this point would have been to rebuild the epilogue on Wii hardware from scratch, but that would have been a foolish investment when looked at from ANY perspective, to say nothing of the fact that there's no way they'd reconvene the Japanese development team for such a project. Remaking their own remake (!) that they worked on a mere year-and-a-half prior solely for an American audience? Never gonna happen. They could have outsourced, but I think we can all agree it's best that didn't happen.

As much as I hate to say it, Namco was totally justified by not giving us the Wii version; it only could have ended badly. It's not as though they didn't give us the game at all, and when they did give it to us, they gave us the best version possible, so there really isn't an issue unless you're a Wii-only Tales fan. (Not that one couldn't easily counter that argument by saying that the Wii exclusively got the sequel to fan-favorite Symphonia; "take that PS3 fanboys," one could say.) Obviously, this doesn't excuse the huge number of other Tales games that never left Japanese shores, but in the case of Graces Wii, there was a legitimate reason for it. Think of it this way: when Tales of Phantasia was finally released in America on the GBA, there was no reason to release the (ultimately) inferior Super NES and PlayStation versions alongside it as alternatives. The two situations aren't directly comparable, true, but you get my point.
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Postby Eternal Rain » 30 Apr 2012 12:22

I'll stop by my local Target to see if they have it on clearance.
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Postby kdognumba1 » 30 Apr 2012 14:38

I was just in target like 2 days ago and didn't see it on clearance.
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Postby jasonmaivia » 30 Apr 2012 14:58

@mock turtle
If a game company wont fix their screw up, then they're not a good company. So, how did the Japanese fanbase feel about their buggy Tales of Graces for Wii?
Well, luckily for them, bugs were fixed, and fans could exchange their game for the new version.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1071446p1.html

But that was way back in 2009. They've had 3 years to have this game translated and localized, not just for North American Wii owners, but also for the rest of the world. That's plenty of time before the company began porting it to the PS3.
You also gave a good example with Persona 3. That game was released and released again for the Playstaion 2, the same console, so why couldn't there be a Wii version of Graces f planned? Why wasn't it possible? The first game received 9/9/9/9 scores from Famitsu, and it sold really well in Japan.
When did PS3 ultimately become the lead console to switch the game over to? It seems like this is what happened.

I found that Tales of Graces on Wii was roughly about 4GB. Dual-layered DVDs could have also been used if they had planned a Wii version of Graces f from the start. All smart developers who plans on creating games knows the game consoles' limits. In this case, the Wii and the Xbox 360 both uses DVD-9 discs...we've seen just how large games can be done on the Xbox 360 without the need of more discs (there are only a few exceptions). But this the Wii wer're talking about. There's no need for super-high quality textures, HD video, and sound quality higher than what the Wii can do.

It could have been done.
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Postby Broken_Cartridge » 30 Apr 2012 18:11

It wasn't on sale at my Target....but I bought it anyways lol
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Postby mock turtle » 01 May 2012 06:26

@jasonmaivia
Well yes, obviously they fixed the messed-up Wii discs, but even then, it says they only addressed the "major bugs," not all of them. By which I mean they probably didn't get around to eradicating every bug until work on the PS3 version.

I think you're getting your timeline mixed up. Tales of Graces f was released (not announced, not in development, but on store shelves) in Japan almost a year to the day after the original Graces was released on Wii. That means Namco had to have greenlit production on the port a maximum of just a few months after the Wii version had been released. Not only did they port it to PS3 and add gameplay changes like costumes and abilities and such, while they were at it, they decided to just create a whole new epilogue. You're right that they could have done a Wii version of the epilogue concurrently and rereleased Graces on Wii with a second disc containing it, like with Persona 3, but the fact of the matter is that's not what the project was intended for, not to mention it would have been twice the work. They'd have either had to build the epilogue on Wii from scratch at the same time as on PS3, or start out making it on Wii and then port the epilogue to the PS3 along with the rest of the game, since I maintain straight-up porting a PS3 game to Wii is needlessly difficult. Of course, that goes back to the fact that that's not how it came about; they didn't decide to port it to PS3 to make an epilogue, they decided to make an epilogue because it was being ported to PS3.

At any rate, Namco obviously had no intention to release Graces in the states until at least the PS3 version was underway, if not even later than that. For all we know, they may not have considered giving it to us at all (something they've been infamously wont to do with Tales games) until well after the PS3 version was released in Japan. By this point, they could have released both versions in the states even though one would have been, for all intents and purposes, incomplete, or just release the "complete" PS3 version. Why the PS3 became the lead console for Graces I don't know, but that's basically how it turned out. Regardless, I didn't want to start a debate about Namco's decisions regarding the creation of Graces F in the first place... I was simply providing the reasons why it was only Graces F that was released internationally.
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