Jay Smooth Calls out Online Sexist Gamers

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Jay Smooth Calls out Online Sexist Gamers
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[Broken_Cartridge]

I never heard of this guy before, but he does bring up interesting points.

[DragonGirl]

I love this guy! One of the few channels on Youtube I subscribe to.

[waddledoodles]

Yeah, Jay Smooth is pretty...

Smooth.

[Demyx]

He knows how to talk and while he sounds smart he doesn't sounds like he is giving a lecture. Good for him.

[Prophet6000]

The Internet won't change. People are just too sensitive.

[honeybo]

The Internet won't change. People are just too sensitive.

Yeah, its usually correct to blame the victim, isn't it... just easier that way.

[marco]

Yay, Jay Smooth~. I was glad to see him calling out people's behavior.

It's awesome of Anita to do her videos as well, and I really look forward to each video for the gaming ver. of Tropes vs Women.

I'm glad we have both of them (and others!) around~.

@Prophet6000
Sometimes, it's not even about being sensitive (or offended/hurt by) what people do or say, but the fact that we shouldn't let rude and/or ignorant people go unchecked. If someone is an unapologetic asshole, they should expect to be called on it. Just the same, if someone shows their ignorance, they shouldn't be surprised if someone corrects them.

What the internet (ie, the rude and/or ignorant) people need to do is stop freaking out and retaliating the way they do when someone calls them on something or points something out. Children often behave better than that. (And it certainly doesn't help gaming as a mentality inside, or how it looks from the outside.)

[Chased]

Well, to be honest, women were bullying us all the time in real life after they got to know that we play games...It's just some payback, I think...

Even though, I dislike it and never do it myself...

[waddledoodles]

Well, to be honest, women were bullying us all the time in real life after they got to know that we play games...It's just some payback, I think...

Even though, I dislike it and never do it myself...

wow

just

wow



so because women (among a broad group of people that includes all genders) made fun of people in real life for playing video games (which again is a broad group that includes all genders) it's a-OK to harass a woman en masse with disgusting, violent comments and threats?

congrat u win award best human of the history

Plus idk I don't see the logic in this payback considering, if they don't wind up really screwing the women up in the head (which can happen when you send misogynistic and violently threatening comments to people who idk have been raped or abused!) it's sort of defeating the point of fighting back against bullying. If you don't want people to hate you, don't be hateful. It's that simple.

And nice job yet again not paying attention to the content of the video, as I'm pretty sure Mr. Smooth calls out this exact same mentality.

By the way, I hope you realize women and girls have been playing games for quite some time, so that's just. Another reason why your argument is ridiculous. Because it paints this picture of games as something only men and boys played and that all of a sudden now females are playing it too when oh no back in the day they were meeeaaaan to the men who played games because only men played games back in the ancient days!!!

[Chased]

@waddledoodles

I'm really glad you are chasing me in this website and trying to counter my comments...!
At least, I know you are a woman. ;)

Next time, pay close attention to what someone actually says!

On to your comment, now...

"so because women (among a broad group of people that includes all genders) made fun of people in real life for playing video games (which again is a broad group that includes all genders) it's a-OK to harass a woman en masse with disgusting, violent comments and threats?"
>>> Get over it! People are doing it to everyone in online gaming! Women are just whining, now...
Also, yes! At least, this harassment isn't real or in real life...It is FAR LESS powerful than what was being done to gamers for all these years!

"Plus idk I don't see the logic in this payback considering, if they don't wind up really screwing the women up in the head (which can happen when you send misogynistic and violently threatening comments to people who idk have been raped or abused!) it's sort of defeating the point of fighting back against bullying. If you don't want people to hate you, don't be hateful. It's that simple."
>>> a)It's THEIR problem if their minds get screwed! Again, people are doing this to everyone, not just women!
b)I don't care and I don't know the logic behind this, because I said before and you ignored it, I DON'T DO THESE STUFF!

"And nice job yet again not paying attention to the content of the video, as I'm pretty sure Mr. Smooth calls out this exact same mentality."
>>> Nice job saying that someone failed at something when you are the one who failed at it! The guy in the video said that even if this is the mentality behind these harassments, "now is not the time, at least, let her express her opinions first"...I was talking about the online harassments in general, not linked to the comment he made!

"By the way, I hope you realize women and girls have been playing games for quite some time, so that's just. Another reason why your argument is ridiculous. Because it paints this picture of games as something only men and boys played and that all of a sudden now females are playing it too when oh no back in the day they were meeeaaaan to the men who played games because only men played games back in the ancient days!!!"
>>>If THIS is what you got out of everything I said in my previous comment and then, in this one here, then I give up!


Once again, let me tell you something and, please, pay close attention to it, this time!
I don't act like this online...I offered one explanation as to why people might be doing this.

Thank you for your time!

[waddledoodles]

So did you ignore the part about how comments made to people online can be triggering and thus psychologically damaging

like if say someone has post traumatic stress disorder and someone deliberately goes out of their way to say things that trigger an episode for that person

and that's somehow less harmful than someone irl going "lol ur such a dork for playing video games"

mmk broseph

(Nevermind that this mentality of "lol let's throw a bunch of harmful misogynistic comments/threats at a woman just cause" does in fact have a real and harmful impact in real life. If you're not willing to get into rape culture, which I doubt you are because somehow getting teased for video games in real life is JUST AS BAD as someone getting thoroughly degraded only because they were born a certain gender, then at least consider that some of the geniuses spewing this trash on the internet are the very same people who would turn and act on these thoughts in real life. Rape a woman? Sure! She's not human so why not? Kill her? Sure! She's not human, so why not?

But you know the fear many women have of being abused or killed because they happen to be women, a fear brought on in part by viscious online harrassment, is nowhere near as bad as some guys being picked on because they liked video games. I mean gosh golly, the worst thing that could happen to these women is that one of these lovely individuals might find out their personal information and rape and/or kill them? Pssht whatever let me tell you, getting a wedgie from some dumb jock and then having the girl of your dreams laugh in your face, THAT is the worst. Wow, I mean, what are you going to do with that whole rest of your life that the woman who got killed cause of some misogynistic jackass doesn't have cause she idk got killed???))

[marco]

@Chased
What. . . the deuce? When have women as a group bullied men or gaming? And that's a great way to cut women gamers out of the community too.

And an eye for an eye is a great mentality to have, isn't it? (/OBVIOUS SARCASM)

Your defense does not justify anything, either. That just sounds worse. That's a bad mentality to have, especially on the internet.

@waddledoodles
Good on you for being patient and bringing out intellectual arguments. They were obviously overlooked, but I get the feeling Chased doesn't much care about things like this anyway, seeing as he couldn't understand the issues at hand.

[Chased]

@waddledoodles

Not going to reply. You keep misinterpreting my comments and you don't reply on many stuff I say...

@marco

Trust me, I've got my share of this...And even if I got bullied(way more seriously than a wedgie), I don't attack women playing games and I don't attack almost anyone...I love playing games with women(who know the games) because they actually cooperate and are pretty good players.

But I can understand people doing those stuff on the internet. And don't think that women are not doing the same thing. I've met some of them who turn into menacing monsters when playing online and without anyone starting it before them.

Also, I really hate the fact that, ONCE AGAIN, we only talk about women and assaulting / harassing women, as if they are anything special!
This mentality needs to stop!

[marco]

Oh, believe me, the harassment of women is not the only thing discussed on the internet. The people who get defensive because "men are treated in sexist fashions too!" talk about it all the time and the people who really care (ahem, feminists) talk about these issues too.

But the problem is, women face more forms of harassment and more often. It's okay to discuss it more because it needs more coverage. Look at how you're reacting. This is exactly why it comes up more often.

It's not about who's doing what, but that it's happening and the internet has become a place that supposedly has to be/is expected to be vicious and gross and disgusting. Well, maybe if we started calling people out for this behavior (regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) then it'd stop more often. People like you defend it or make excuses, and that just helps buy into the mentality and then we get nowhere.

You want women to stop bullying men, but how can you say one group deserves it because they bully others (when they're bullied first and more often)? What you should be saying is that these guys need to stop harassing an innocent woman for being intellectual and speaking up (not even about something directly related to harassment) and maybe people would be more sympathetic to your "plight."

[waddledoodles]

Oh, believe me, the harassment of women is not the only thing discussed on the internet. The people who get defensive because "men are treated in sexist fashions too!" talk about it all the time and the people who really care (ahem, feminists) talk about these issues too.

But the problem is, women face more forms of harassment and more often. It's okay to discuss it more because it needs more coverage. Look at how you're reacting. This is exactly why it comes up more often.

It's not about who's doing what, but that it's happening and the internet has become a place that supposedly has to be/is expected to be vicious and gross and disgusting. Well, maybe if we started calling people out for this behavior (regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc) then it'd stop more often. People like you defend it or make excuses, and that just helps buy into the mentality and then we get nowhere.

You want women to stop bullying men, but how can you say one group deserves it because they bully others (when they're bullied first and more often)? What you should be saying is that these guys need to stop harassing an innocent woman for being intellectual and speaking up (not even about something directly related to harassment) and maybe people would be more sympathetic to your "plight."

Ding ding ding!

Nevermind that the harassment of women has far more violent ramifications than teasing gamers for being gamers. To say you don't care that a woman's getting harassed and to say that she deserves it is tantamount to saying she deserves to be killed. Can you sit well with that on your conscience?

[marco]

Ding ding ding!

Nevermind that the harassment of women has far more violent ramifications than teasing gamers for being gamers. To say you don't care that a woman's getting harassed and to say that she deserves it is tantamount to saying she deserves to be killed. Can you sit well with that on your conscience?

This, too. It's completely different scenarios.

When men start getting death and rape threats for being gamers or speaking up (on top of that, and actually having to worry about people trying to physically intimidate and threaten them over it), then the situations will be anywhere near similar.

[waddledoodles]

Ding ding ding!

Nevermind that the harassment of women has far more violent ramifications than teasing gamers for being gamers. To say you don't care that a woman's getting harassed and to say that she deserves it is tantamount to saying she deserves to be killed. Can you sit well with that on your conscience?

This, too. It's completely different scenarios.

When men start getting death and rape threats for being gamers or speaking up (on top of that, and actually having to worry about people trying to physically intimidate and threaten them over it), then the situations will be anywhere near similar.

And then consider that if guys get grief for being gamers in real life, they can often turn to their fellow gamers online for a welcoming community. If a female gamer gets grief for being whatever in real life and wants to relieve some stress by playing her favorite video game online--welp.

[marco]

And then consider that if guys get grief for being gamers in real life, they can often turn to their fellow gamers online for a welcoming community. If a female gamer gets grief for being whatever in real life and wants to relieve some stress by playing her favorite video game online--welp.

Yuuuup.

Matter-of-fact, it can only be just as bad if not worse on most parts of the online gaming community/environment.