Debate Tips

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Debate Tips

Postby Nintend()\/\/|\|312 » 01 Jun 2010 16:39

I decided to create a topic outlining what I believe to be some important points to remember when debating on this board, or anywhere for that matter, to ensure that the debate that is going on here is constructive and thought provoking. Feel free to add your own suggestions below. I'll also be updating this post periodically when I come up with more ideas over time.

1) Don't insult the people you are debating with

Although it may feel like it to you, calling someone an "idiot" or "dumb" or a "bigot" or whatever does not weaken his or her argument nor does it strengthen your own. Although your parents, friends and politicians may give you the impression that debating involves screaming and calling your opponents names, it really shouldn't. I would even avoid calling your opponent's arguments or ideas stupid because one can find that insulting as well.

Instead of attacking a person or their mindset in general, attack his or her arguments and logic. (PROTIP: Attacking someone's logic does not involve typing "YOUR LOGIC IS STUPID AND FLAWED!") If one of his or her points doesn't seem to make sense, say something like, "Well, I'm not so sure about this point because etc." Try to sound as non-threatening as possible so you don't start a massive flame war that requires the mods' intervention.

2) Cite your sources

Now, this doesn't mean you have to add footnotes to your post and include a massive bibliography citing a hundred different papers by prestigious scientists/psycologists/whoever. If you are going to post some controversial information in your post, just say where you heard or saw it. It could be as simple as "I heard from my friend that. . ." This will also force you to think about the credibility of your sources and reflect on the validity of your argument based on these sources. If you are arguing that the world is going to end this Sunday because your crazy uncle said so, maybe you need to consult other sources and see if they can convince you otherwise.

Also, Wikipedia really isn't that bad. Sure, everyone and their baby nephew can spam it with false information but also remember that anyone can correct it as well. Wikipedia is probably accurate >99% of the time, especially when it comes to well cited articles. Sure, there are better sources but Wikipedia is much better than nothing at all.

3) Don't be afraid to admit you are wrong

Believe it or not, it is okay to be wrong and it helps everyone included in the debate when you admit that part or the entirety of your argument is invalid. Nobody is perfect and nobody pops out out nothing but infallible arguments all of the time. Digression isn't the best debate tactic but stripping down your weaker arguments only makes those remaining appear stronger.

It is also okay to admit uncertainty about a component of your argument. If you are not sure about something it is better to say so and maybe check one of your sources later than to lie about it now and say you know something for a fact. If someone does find out you are wrong and points it out, it makes your entire argument look bad.

4) Consider your opponents point of view

Chances are, there is a reason why your opponent thinks the way they do. Put yourself in your opponents shoes and try to argue against your own argument. This will help you realize the flaws in your own argument as well as the stronger points you will need to tackle in your opponent's. You may even realized that you were wrong yourself and need to switch sides. This is often the best case scenario because now you know everything about the mind of one of your opponents because you were once one of them.

5) You do not "win" a debate by proving your opponent's weakest arguments wrong

You don't "win" a debate until you have addressed all of your opponents arguments and they admit defeat. (Keep in mind that "winning" the debate doesn't make you right or wrong. It just means you "won" the debate.) Although it helps to get weaker arguments out of the way for cleanliness' sake, what you really want to do is disprove your opponents' strongest arguments. If you cannot, then it may be time to look at your own and test whether or not they are as strong as theirs and decide whether or not it is time to switch sides or become "undecided".

(PROTIP: Just because your opponent makes spelling and grammatical errors does not mean that they are an idiot and are therefore completely wrong about everything they talked about.)

6) It is okay to be undecided

Sometimes it is best not to take sides. However, being undecided does not mean you cannot participate in the debate. Feel free to attack either side's arguments and maybe you will eventually find yourself choosing a side after all. Maybe you can act as a kind of moderator between the two arguing parties. (As long as Cort 'n' co. don't mind you stepping on their turf. :wink: )

Alright, that's all for now. Feel free to add your own suggestions or debate the ones I have already posted. (This is a topic in the "Debate" forum, after all.)
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby cortjezter » 01 Jun 2010 16:49

thanks nintendown312

in addition to the first point, everyone should remember that being disrespectful, insulting, etc toward other members can also lead to being banned. it's in the rules, so please behave.

in the debate forum, moderation is strictly enforced. :pbj:
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby ragnaroq » 01 Jun 2010 19:26

Nintend()\/\/|\|312 wrote:
(PROTIP: Just because your opponent makes spelling and grammatical errors does not mean that they are an idiot and are therefore completely wrong about everything they talked about.)


I just have to disagree with that personally, even though it's a mature and intelligent thing to do to follow this piece of advice. I honestly just don't know how to NOT consider someone who sounds like they've never learned to use the English language stupid; it's one thing if they're obviously foreign and English isn't their first language, but too much online do I see adult, first-language English speakers sounding like five-year-olds online and expecting to be taken seriously.

First and foremost, I think people should sound as intelligent as possible if they plan on engaging in a debate. Otherwise it will seem one-sided, even if the opposing debater is trying to be respectful about it. That goes for real life, too.
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby Nintend()\/\/|\|312 » 01 Jun 2010 22:01

ragnaroq wrote:
Nintend()\/\/|\|312 wrote:
(PROTIP: Just because your opponent makes spelling and grammatical errors does not mean that they are an idiot and are therefore completely wrong about everything they talked about.)


I just have to disagree with that personally, even though it's a mature and intelligent thing to do to follow this piece of advice. I honestly just don't know how to NOT consider someone who sounds like they've never learned to use the English language stupid; it's one thing if they're obviously foreign and English isn't their first language, but too much online do I see adult, first-language English speakers sounding like five-year-olds online and expecting to be taken seriously.

First and foremost, I think people should sound as intelligent as possible if they plan on engaging in a debate. Otherwise it will seem one-sided, even if the opposing debater is trying to be respectful about it. That goes for real life, too.


Indeed. I was thinking of adding that to my own post, actually. Not only does bad spelling and grammar make the poster seem dumber as a whole, it also hinders the communication of their ideas. I find that the members of these boards are pretty good when it comes to using whatever English they know as well as they can.

Still, although I don't see it on these boards too often, I get pretty tired of people trying to discredit the ideas put forth by others by simply pointing out their spelling or grammar mistakes, regardless of their frequency and severity. You can still make a good argument about abortion/abhortion/aboarsion without knowing how to spell it. It may be really hard sometimes but it is important that you give a statement that looks like this:

"hte earth revolvs a round the sun idiot"

as much respect as one that looks like this:

"On the contrary, the theory of heliocentricism has as many holes as a porous poriferan."

in a debate (not necessarily in English class) because there are a lot of eloquent fools and trolls out there on the webbernets.
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby mariomaniac45213 » 05 Jun 2010 06:57

I have been a victim to a lot of that. I hate the abuse but I just cannot be not on Gonintendo for longer than a minute. I visit this site at least 40 times a day it is that addicting. Cort, RMC, and the guy that always has a Tails avatar forgot username have created a wonderful site I can't live without.
Finally got a PS3 sooo add me if you want. :)
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby Sigtaro » 12 Jun 2010 19:36

As another thing to add to the pro-tip on number 5 would be to actually spell correctly misspelled words. If you don't know red squiggly lines under certain words means you misspelled the word.
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby Fliptop » 01 Dec 2010 22:05

thanks for those information guys.

it will help me a lot and to every reader and member of this forum.
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Re: Debate Tips

Postby selinaalkin » 31 Jan 2011 01:13

cortjezter wrote:thanks nintendown312

in addition to the first point, everyone should remember that being disrespectful, insulting, etc toward other members can also lead to being banned. it's in the rules, so please behave.

in the debate forum, moderation is strictly enforced. :pbj:


I am completely agree with you Cortjezter. :angel:
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