Should Michael Pachter be reported on GoNintendo?

[8 bit]

Hello everyone.

I've thought of doing a thread about this for a long time: I think Michael Pachter's "analysis" has no place on our GoNintendo.

Please read this article if you want some food for thought.

You can say he's "relevant" and whatnot but, ultimately, he wouldn't be missed if he was not reported so frequently. If he keeps being quoted though, GoNintendo could very well be helping him with whatever agenda he has.

The decision is RMC's, I guess. Cheers everyone.

[Clowns8me]

I personally think the Michael Pachter meme on GN is hilarious. Every time they mention his name on the podcast I laugh.
yikes. i guess i should clarify what i meant. News=no. Podcast=yes.

[cortjezter]

considering he doesn't deliver any actual news and isn't directly tied to nintendo in any way, i'm inclined to agree that he doesn't deserve to be in the news, at least on this site.

he should stick to his punditry on tv shows, podcasts or whatever else for people who like hearing non-facts or non-information, at which point he should be reported on as often as we quote other gaming podcasts etc.

[tactics]

I agree wholeheartedly. Pachter is a blatant liar and does not even deserve any recognition or validation from a reputable site like gonintendo ever.

Leave it to all the known moneyhat sites like kotaku and the likes. Pachter's lies and deliberate distortions of the gaming market have no place here.

[spiracy]

Well it's no secret, that I'm not really a fan of the guy anyway, and as it stands most of us already know what the guy is about and that he's just pumping the gaming news segment with a whole lotta nothing.

Personally, GoNintendo would be better off for not reporting on mr Pachter. Then again I'd say the same for other sites as well.

PS: Cort, I love your avatar.. that thing is so adorable lol.

[cortjezter]

Well it's no secret, that I'm not really a fan of the guy anyway, and as it stands most of us already know what the guy is about and that he's just pumping the gaming news segment with a whole lotta nothing.

Personally, GoNintendo would be better off for not reporting on mr Pachter. Then again I'd say the same for other sites as well.

PS: Cort, I love your avatar.. that thing is so adorable lol.

yeah, i think part of him generating his own sort of celebrity status to make news out of nothing (a la paris hilton) is actually just good for his own business. if he can start showing up on news sites and reaching consumers, he can actually start to influence how certain things play out, which, when your job is predicting and informing people of what will happen, is an incredible power to wield.

ps... thanks. finally someone notices and appreciates my new avatar. viva メロンパンナチャン！

[Little_Mac]

Well it's no secret, that I'm not really a fan of the guy anyway, and as it stands most of us already know what the guy is about and that he's just pumping the gaming news segment with a whole lotta nothing.

Personally, GoNintendo would be better off for not reporting on mr Pachter. Then again I'd say the same for other sites as well.

PS: Cort, I love your avatar.. that thing is so adorable lol.

yeah, i think part of him generating his own sort of celebrity status to make news out of nothing (a la paris hilton) is actually just good for his own business. if he can start showing up on news sites and reaching consumers, he can actually start to influence how certain things play out, which, when your job is predicting and informing people of what will happen, is an incredible power to wield.

ps... thanks. finally someone notices and appreciates my new avatar. viva メロンパンナチャン！

I think that is exactly why Gonintendo SHOULDN'T post his opinions. The guy is obviously trying hard to influence the gaming market and his need to become a star in our hobby deludes his opinion ever more.

[Garfitor]

Well, seeing as I find Pachter somewhat likable, while simultaneously burn with a fiery hatred for malstrom, I tend to disagree with your opinion. Yes, Pachter has made some very wrong statements before, but who cares? Do you really think anybody coming to GoNintendo is going to read a news story wherein Pachter predicts the Wii doing poorly, and say, "Oh noes, I must throw out my Wii and get 15 Xboxes!!" Of course not. We're a community of Nintendo fans.
For as long as I've been coming to this site, (which is quite a while...), RMC's policy has always seemed to be "if it's Nintendo related, it goes on the site." I don't see why he should change that policy because you have some vague suspicions that an analyst has malicious motives, whatever they might be.
Things like this mostly surprise me that some of you get that impassioned about the business side of gaming. You really think that this one man has the power to completely destroy the landscape of gaming as we know it? I just don't see it happening. Personally, I just really like playing videogames, specifically good ones. That's why I own all three consoles this gen. And that's why I dislike malstrom so much. He's hardly a gamer at all, just a business educated Nintendo fanboy rooting only for financially successful games, with little to no concept of what a good game is. That's not what I consider a true gamer; I daresay Pachter is probably more of a real gamer than malstrom is.

(I wonder if malstrom will write about me again? I can hardly wait!)

[8 bit]

Understandable, but this is less about Malstrom and even Pachter "the person", and more about GoNintendo's status as a site for fans.

So I agree... Who cares about Pachter? That's the reason why I think we'd be better off without his "opinions" messing what we really want: Nintendo news.

Whatever the case, I just wanted to "throw this out there" and I'm quite glad other readers agree with me.

Cheers.

[cortjezter]

For as long as I've been coming to this site, (which is quite a while...), RMC's policy has always seemed to be "if it's Nintendo related, it goes on the site." I don't see why he should change that policy because you have some vague suspicions that an analyst has malicious motives, whatever they might be.

That's a good point about the "post everything" idea, but the truth is, the site doesn't post everything; there is a line at which something is either not news- or interest-worthy. it's not a solid line of course, but as i said before, the site doesn't post every off-hand remark or comment every blogger or podcaster makes; and michael pachter shouldn't be any different. just because he's managed to invent his own celebrity status doesn't make his opinions news-worthy any more than any of our own readers who have their own blogs.

so he now has his own weekly internet 'show'. fine, post a link to that with the other gametrailers updates, but all the other stuff is still not news, not information, and simply not of relevance to anyone outside his paying clientele.

[Nintend()\/\/|\|312]

Well, if this thread is any indication, I think enough people care about what Pachter says that his kooky theories should be reported on GoNintendo. Pachter's trolling predictions are some of the most debated in the gaming community. If his Nintendo-related opinions are not news worthy, then whose are?

[gtt]

He's basically a guy who gets paid for trolling. I'd say not bother to post anything with him, trolls feed on exposure.

[KingBroly]

He's not trolling, he's just a financial analyst. He gets paid to tell other people how to run their company correctly. He doesn't get paid to say "yup, you're doing fine."

[8 bit]

He's not trolling, he's just a financial analyst. He gets paid to tell other people how to run their company correctly. He doesn't get paid to say "yup, you're doing fine."

In that case, the information he provides is better used by the people who run those companies. Still has no place in a site dedicated to Nintendo news, IMO.

Tons of analysts make reports and comment on the videogame industry all the time. You don't see all of them get reported on game sites.

What makes Michael Pachter different?

[coffeewithchess]

In that case, the information he provides is better used by the people who run those companies. Still has no place in a site dedicated to Nintendo news, IMO.

Tons of analysts make reports and comment on the videogame industry all the time. You don't see all of them get reported on game sites.

What makes Michael Pachter different?

If you really go the "Still has no place in a site dedicated to Nintendo news...", GoNintendo wouldn't all the posts it does each day.

Not every analyst may be reported on GoNintendo, though I would say the analysts that get covered by other game sites are.
Here's a few non-Pachter examples:
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=129713
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=129333
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=128855

GoNintendo may be a "Nintendo" news site, but it doesn't cover Nintendo news only.

Such as:
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=130117
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=117057(360 screens)

What makes Pachter different is he knows how to market himself better than the other "analyst".

The problem I had with Malstrom's post was he only showed Pachter's email response, not his email to Pachter. So, unless there was another post with both emails, we only get one side of the story it seems. Did I miss that?

[8 bit]

What makes Pachter different is he knows how to market himself better than the other "analyst".

And here I thought you agreed with me.

Then again, you've probably enjoyed some good traffic thanks to Pachter's nonsense.

[coffeewithchess]

What makes Pachter different is he knows how to market himself better than the other "analyst".

And here I thought you agreed with me.

Then again, you've probably enjoyed some good traffic thanks to Pachter's nonsense.

Oh, I agree that Pachter says things that don't make sense, sure.
That's why I wrote my "rebuttal" to his statements.

If I really wanted more traffic though, I would simply publish the three emails sitting in my mailbox with the exchanges we shared back and forth after my post.

Do you know that Pachter meets with many industry reps, including Reggie Fils-Aime?
The guy is busy, and I think tries to understand what is going on, though I do believe bias/favoritism can affect(or effect?!) everybody to some degree.

If you missed two of my posts after the first Pachter one, you can see just small parts of the emails I shared on my blog:
http://coffeewithgames.blogspot.com/201 ... ts-on.html
http://coffeewithgames.blogspot.com/201 ... eel-2.html

[8 bit]

Oh, I agree that Pachter says things that don't make sense, sure.
That's why I wrote my "rebuttal" to his statements.

If I really wanted more traffic though, I would simply publish the three emails sitting in my mailbox with the exchanges we shared back and forth after my post.

Do you know that Pachter meets with many industry reps, including Reggie Fils-Aime?
The guy is busy, and I think tries to understand what is going on, though I do believe bias/favoritism can affect(or effect?!) everybody to some degree.

If you missed two of my posts after the first Pachter one, you can see just small parts of the emails I shared on my blog:
http://coffeewithgames.blogspot.com/201 ... ts-on.html
http://coffeewithgames.blogspot.com/201 ... eel-2.html

The traffic thing I said half-jokingly... I know your blog has much more content, and even a search for "Pachter" only gave me the results you're showing.

In contrast, there's many many stories involving Pachter on GoNintendo. The question is, is this needed? Especially considering the points made in the site I shared... Pachter isn't ignorant... so why does he keep saying nonsense? To "start something"? To manipulate internet opinions? To manipulate a market?

If there's that possibility, why risk helping him? Why not keep GoNintendo a site about "Nintendo"?

[TYFIGHTER]

...does anyone know why that idiot has his own "show" on GameTrailers?

Also, no he shouldn't be covered on this site. He's never right, and he's an idiot. Did I mention that he's an idiot? Cause he is. An idiot.

[KingBroly]

He was on Gametrailers every week anyways.

[jasonmaivia]

It fills in the voids of our not-so-busy news days. Pachter is still a part of the game industry. News doesn't always have to be about game development, release dates, music, and art.

[cortjezter]

It fills in the voids of our not-so-busy news days. Pachter is still a part of the game industry. News doesn't always have to be about game development, release dates, music, and art.

but that's the thing... he's NOT a part of the industry. he's sort of wiggled his way into the culture and media, but upon what merits? he's seriously the paris hilton of gaming. just because i may have a day here and there where the rest of my usual music collection gets boring or there's nothing new to listen to, i'm not going to pop in her album to fill the silence.

[gtt]

It fills in the voids of our not-so-busy news days. Pachter is still a part of the game industry. News doesn't always have to be about game development, release dates, music, and art.

but that's the thing... he's NOT a part of the industry. he's sort of wiggled his way into the culture and media, but upon what merits? he's seriously the paris hilton of gaming. just because i may have a day here and there where the rest of my usual music collection gets boring or there's nothing new to listen to, i'm not going to pop in her album to fill the silence.

that's a pretty good analogy. I agree, I'd rather have a slow news day than professional trolls

[coffeewithchess]

but that's the thing... he's NOT a part of the industry. he's sort of wiggled his way into the culture and media, but upon what merits? he's seriously the paris hilton of gaming. just because i may have a day here and there where the rest of my usual music collection gets boring or there's nothing new to listen to, i'm not going to pop in her album to fill the silence.

Being that he's an analyst, and he follows the financial side of gaming companies, and talks with company representatives(Reggie Fils-Aime) and attends gaming events; why isn't he part of the industry?

Again, that's not saying we agree with what he says, but he also isn't the only analyst that GoNintendo covers either, he just seems to get the most fire going...

Perhaps the right question should be, "Should GoNintendo report any industry analyst?"

[cortjezter]

Being that he's an analyst, and he follows the financial side of gaming companies, and talks with company representatives(Reggie Fils-Aime) and attends gaming events; why isn't he part of the industry?

Again, that's not saying we agree with what he says, but he also isn't the only analyst that GoNintendo covers either, he just seems to get the most fire going...

Perhaps the right question should be, "Should GoNintendo report any industry analyst?"

i think because of the status he achieved by wiggling into things with his sensational (read: blatant attention-getting vs actual/factual information) statements, he has access to reggie, events, etc. i highly doubt he had such unrestricted access to execs before he had popular media access and influence on their consumer audiences on gametrailers.com. i'm sure lots of people have access to bigwigs and have opinions, but is that relevant to us as consumers of the brand? pachter's opinions are intended for his financial clients, which we are not.

we don't post everyone in the industry's--and certainly not the media's--opinions, why should he get such high billing when he's no more accurate than a local weather guy? do we or the industry really need to have or hear a daily forecast? if causing firestorms is his only talent, who wants that kind of social environment on this site?