Garfitor wrote:This kind of thinking seems entirely pointless to me. You're saying that I can do something, say, throw a ball, and I can physically experience it and others can witness it, but our combined memories of the event aren't proof that it actually happened? So the past isn't real, the future isn't real, our memories aren't real...what do you propose IS real? You're suggesting that anything that can be measured isn't real, such as distance, mass, force, etc.? So our entire physical world is in our imaginations. So what are we? Is this...the Matrix?
Meh. Unless you've found some way to exist outside the physical plane that you can prove to me, I think I'm content experiencing reality.
What What wrote:You’re confusing a few things here. Time isn’t a measurement. The clock is a tool to measure time. It would be the same thing as saying space doesn’t exist because the units to measure the dimensions mm, cm, meter, etc. are artificial. We are always in the present because we move along a time line at the same speed as time itself. But it’s possible to have your time going slower relative to other people (Time travel into the future). All you need is a vehicle that’s able to travel at 99.9% of the light-speed and some room to maneuver that thing around.
What What wrote:Actually when you look at the sun, you don’t see the sun where it is now you see the sun where it was 7 minutes ago. The same goes for looking at the center of the universe, the closer you get to the center the further you look back into time.
What What wrote:If time is a believe like religion how do you explain the following?
In Test of Relativity Theory, Superaccurate Atomic Clocks Prove Your Head Ages Nanoseconds Faster than Your Feet
DarkDude wrote:The main, underlying point of this topic was to explain why time travel wasn't possible
cortjezter wrote:DarkDude wrote:The main, underlying point of this topic was to explain why time travel wasn't possible
if that's true, you might have just talked yourself into a warning, because we already have a thread on that subject
anyway, to provide some meaningful thought, i would argue against the OP that future and past time does exist in physical space, simply from the fact that matter cannot be created or destroyed, meaning it has always been and always will be there...
DarkDude wrote:When I was talking about negative feedback, I wasn't talking about people who are debating time with me. That's fine, as I expected that when I started the thread. When I was talking about negative feedback, I meant on this site in general.
People often get the notion that I'm condescending. I don't know, maybe I do come off that way. But I don't actually believe that I'm better than anyone else here. I'm a person just like everyone else with my own personal thoughts, opinions, beliefs, etc.
I had a little bit of a hard time following you there, but I think I got the gist of it. I think music is a good example, because it shows the best way that time can be used: as a form of measurement. I'm not saying that time as a measurement isn't real, because just like I said in my first post, time is just the ticking of something, therefore allowing us to "measure" time, even though time only exists abstractly in our minds. My argument is that time is not real in a sense that the past and the future do not coexist with the present and that only the present is real. It's always been the present and it will always be the present. Which would also mean that time travel cannot be possible because you cannot go somewhere that doesn't currently exist.
Looking at light isn't time travel at all. That's called space travel, because the light is travelling through space, not through time. Light, just like everything else in existence, only exists in the present. Yes, they existed in the past, but they do not exist in the past now. The past is not currently existing somewhere out there.Actually when you look at the sun, you don’t see the sun where it is now you see the sun where it was 7 minutes ago. The same goes for looking at the center of the universe, the closer you get to the center the further you look back into time.
Oh, now I used the word debate in a post so my thread goes in the debate section? I didn't want to debate, I expected it. What I wanted to do was explain my theory.moved this to the debate forum.
I didn't say you said the past and future existed in the same space as the present, I saidas for my last post, no, i wasn't saying past, present and future all exist in the same place at the same time, nor was i saying time is a physical element that exists in physical space.
Now, what I would like to know is where does the physical (real) space from the past and future exist. You can't point to anything and see the past or future. You can see remains of the past, but you see them in the present. If there is no space to associate this past and future with, then it must not be real.So are you saying that the physical space from the past and the future exist at the same time as the physical space in the present?
Wait, what? I'm pretty sure what you just basically said wastime exists at any point you choose to measure it
Things don't exist because you choose for them to exist, or choose to believe that they exist. They only exist if... they're real outside of the human mind. So, where is the past or the future outside of our minds?time exists at any point you choose
So you are saying that the matter from the past and future coexist with the present? Does this matter not exist in space?so all matter is present at all points of time.
It's present, huh? All matter is present at all points of time. All points of time are the present. Matter is always in the present, because it's always the present.so all matter is present at all points of time.
And just how would you do that?if you choose to look at the past
Wait, wait, what?! Now, you're saying that the physical space from the past, present and future do all coexist?!so time does exist in physical space in all three tenses since the same matter exists at all three; time as a concept simply demonstrates how it changes between points.
no, i wasn't saying past, present and future all exist in the same place at the same time, nor was i saying time is a physical element that exists in physical space.
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