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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby motherbra1n » 18 Jan 2012 02:52

who wrote this bill, Hitler? No one in their right mind would write such a bill let alone support it. I wish the ESA would just get a bit of sense knocked into them cos they're gonna ruin E3, let alone the E3 were nintendo reveal it's new console and it's lineup of games (E3 2011 didn't count)
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby motherbra1n » 18 Jan 2012 15:55

James Fox wrote:
motherbra1n wrote:who wrote this bill, Hitler? No one in their right mind would write such a bill let alone support it. I wish the ESA would just get a bit of sense knocked into them cos they're gonna ruin E3, let alone the E3 were nintendo reveal it's new console and it's lineup of games (E3 2011 didn't count)


I suggest you do some research on both SOPA and PROTECT IP (PIPA)


I already have, I get the general vibe of it.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby Serpent_Seed » 18 Jan 2012 17:25

Can someone explain SOPA and PIPA to me?
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby Jack_Atlas » 18 Jan 2012 19:12

I just watched the video about PIPA and if the ESA wants both SOPA and PIPA passed in to law then holy s**t it's like they want to put small business who use the internet to sell hobby items out of business un-freaking believable
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby sundin13 » 18 Jan 2012 19:23

in a perfect world this bill would be fine and i feel like that is where a lot of people are seeing this from. the "oh it will stop piracy, isnt that grand" effect is in play causing uneducated people (or people overly angry about piracy *coughESAcough*) to think that it will actually help but the way it is written is just a mess of horrible horribleness :/
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby Serpent_Seed » 19 Jan 2012 09:01

If we couldn't post copyrighted material on a site does mean we can't use user icons of characters?
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby gtt » 19 Jan 2012 14:02

Serpent_Seed wrote:If we couldn't post copyrighted material on a site does mean we can't use user icons of characters?


it would mean that if you posted any link to anything that anyone could claim copyright on, they could de facto shut you down with no due process.

and essentially the site owners would become responsible for everything their users posted. Now, imagine a site like this. maybe a few hundred active posters. could you manage everything they posted to make sure they didn't link to a screenshot or anything?

now imagine a site like reddit or youtube, with hundreds of thousands to millions of active posters.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby ddddd » 19 Jan 2012 17:59

If the FBI could bring megaupload down, then surely similar actions can be enforced on other piracy sites without having to censor the entire internet.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby gtt » 19 Jan 2012 18:02

ddddd wrote:If the FBI could bring megaupload down, then surely similar actions can be enforced on other piracy sites without having to censor the entire internet.


they messed up by having a server in the US. the aim of SOPA is not piracy prevention, it's control of the internet by the USgovernment and the corporate interests who bribes them.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby pummy84 » 20 Jan 2012 17:48

So, according to IGN, the ESA has withdrawn their support. Guess E3 is back on now folks.

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1216936p1.html
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby gtt » 20 Jan 2012 18:25

pummy84 wrote:So, according to IGN, the ESA has withdrawn their support. Guess E3 is back on now folks.

http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1216936p1.html


dropping their support after the bills are functionally dead is a coward's move. and doesn't really count as dropping support. it's like when the little toadie of the big bad guy switches sides cause he sees his boss is hurt. you can't trust that shovel bag.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby Sailing_Day » 22 Jan 2012 20:06

It's not going to be that easy. Now we have the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) and the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act (PCIP), both of which are probably worse than SOPA and PIPA.

PCIP might not sound bad, right? After all, Child Pornography is a bad thing! We need to do something to stop it, right? Well, that something probably shouldn't include making ISPs keep track of your online activities and report them to the government. A Californa Rep. humorously presented an amendment to rename it "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Without a Warrant Act."

As for ACTA, it's an international agreement that similar to SOPA. It would empower international borders to legally conduct searches of laptops, MP3 players and cell phones for illegally downloaded music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine, and their devices could potentially be confiscated or destroyed.

Someone really hates the internet, dayum.
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby Jack_Atlas » 22 Jan 2012 21:35

Sailing_Day wrote:It's not going to be that easy. Now we have the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) and the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act (PCIP), both of which are probably worse than SOPA and PIPA.

PCIP might not sound bad, right? After all, Child Pornography is a bad thing! We need to do something to stop it, right? Well, that something probably shouldn't include making ISPs keep track of your online activities and report them to the government. A Californa Rep. humorously presented an amendment to rename it "Keep Every American's Digital Data for Submission to the Federal Government Without a Warrant Act."

As for ACTA, it's an international agreement that similar to SOPA. It would empower international borders to legally conduct searches of laptops, MP3 players and cell phones for illegally downloaded music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine, and their devices could potentially be confiscated or destroyed.

Someone really hates the internet, dayum.



just when you thought it was safe to play on the internet again this crap comes out
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Re: Stand Up Against ESA

Postby the_nintendo_screw » 22 Jan 2012 21:57

In the words of Mario, "Here we go again". :/
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