Israel, peace/security, 2008, and Bible Prophecy

[Count Bleck]

What does everyone make of this? I mean, peace and security? This lines up all too well.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 - While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Matthew 24:6-7 - You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

Matthew 24:9 - Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. [he's talking about the Christians, where major hatred harbors against us]

Matthew 24:24-25 - For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

2 Peter 3:3-5 - First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

It says in the Bible that they'll make a peace treaty with Israel that will last seven years, and this peace treaty will be headed by a man only known as the Anti-Christ, who will set up his throne is Jerusalem's temple. After 3 1/2 years of chaos, he will show his true self and rule the world until his doom. These seven years will be the tribulation, suffering worse than the great flood thousands of years ago, and it's completely unveiling before us what with Israel's peace.

The only way out is through the rapture - the sudden disappearance of the Christians, who God will take into safety from the tribulation, just like Noah into the Ark in safety from the flood. And He'll do it BEFORE the great tribulation, which means literally any second. If anyone wants to avoid the tribulation, PM me and I'll explain to you personally. If you wish to scoff, scoff, but remember.

Matthew 24:27 - For as lightning that comes from the east is visible from the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Revelation 22:7a Behold, I am coming soon!

It'd be interesting to hear people's thoughts on Israel and Iran and all the events in the Middle East, so discuss. But even if you choose to mock, remember my words! Better yet, remember God's. God bless.

[cortjezter]

yeah i don't know. all the actual bible verses cited are pretty vague, and like any fortune teller/psychic's words, are general and cryptic enough that they can apply to many things at many points in time.

the very specific paragraphs right after Peter's verses ("it says in the bible...") are filled with curious data and uncited references, either from the bible or elsewhere. i personally don't see a strong connection between all the events listed in the thread subject and what is presented here as 'evidence'.

plus, we're looking at quite a variety of one-liners spaced widely throughout the bible. it's a little like joystiq's meta-reviews...where they take one line here and there from various media sources and try to tell a complete story with them. sure, you might end up with something accurate, but you could just as easily construct a mess of misinformation or conjecture.

[MalikHalo]

Everything was fine until you stopped quoting verses. Those paragraphs that you wrote yourself just makes you look like one of those old-fashioned shock preachers. If you'd really like others' opinions, I'd revise those paragraphs so it doesn't look like you're trying to convert non-believers under the guise of an actual discussion.


Now, I have a discussion-related question: Who is the Anti-Christ? If that treaty is as close as you say, who's the head of its committee? That person will have to be the Anti-Christ, won't he?

Late Edit: Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with any religion or its followers. I do have a problem when that religion is pushed on other people by its followers, however.

[NintendoWiiForever]

things like this make me hate religion...And god in general. Im not trying to offend or any thing, im jut being truthful.
i agree with Cort and malikhako.
these are way to vague and can be interperated in many different ways.
if god wanted to tell us something he should be more blunt.

and could you explain more on what you think all of this means

[Sinister Gaze]

I am Christian, I believe that the Rapture will happen, but things like this bug me.
Jesus himself states that "it will come like a thief in the night". No one will know when it happens. It just will. We can't know, we will never know, it will just happen at some point in time.
And if we were able to pinpoint the Anti-Christ so soon, then why would so many people be decieved when he comes?

Do you realize how many generations before us thought the exact same thing? What makes this one any different?
*sigh*

[cortjezter]

lol... my favourite part was 'behold, i am coming soon".

how soon is that? considering how old all of the text is, i'm not going to hold my breath.

[Count Bleck]

Yea. I had to go somewhere, so I couldn't give all the references...I will shortly, though. As for who the Anti-Christ is, I don't know, no one does, but it'll be obvious soon.

And I don't understand how many see them as vague. I mean, some ARE. It's not a 1-2-3 book. But some are very simple. I'm not a preacher, or even a very well-knowledged person, so I may have to get help with Q & A, so if you do have questions, PM me and it'll be easier for me to sort them out.

Cortjezter, I'd very much appreciate it if you could point out all my vague statements and PM me so I can give you verses and references. Thanks!

and could you explain more on what you think all of this means

You mean me? What means?

I am Christian, I believe that the Rapture will happen, but things like this bug me.
Jesus himself states that "it will come like a thief in the night". No one will know when it happens. It just will. We can't know, we will never know, it will just happen at some point in time.
And if we were able to pinpoint the Anti-Christ so soon, then why would so many people be decieved when he comes?

Do you realize how many generations before us thought the exact same thing? What makes this one any different?
*sigh*

Well, last generation, people struggled to find the signs that Jesus described. Now you barely have to put any effort to see it. But I do agree, those people were...strange. I don't believe in setting dates for the rapture, but I don't think God would show us all the prophecies coming true now and then just sort of...leave us hanging.

I believe the text was written for the generation to who all the signs were given. I remember hearing a quote from someone in the early 1900s (early early) who said he didn't know squat about any 'end times' stuff in the Bible. We're the only generation who gets it, apparently. But I see where you're coming from.

[Creedy316]

1 Thessalonians 5:3- This basically means, that in the midst of all the tribulations of the wrold, soon the world leaders will be saying "peace peace" all, and that is when Armageddeon will come, like a thief in the night.

Matthew 24: 6-7 pretty much means what it says. all of this trouble thats happening, the frequent earthquakes all over the world, and famines, but the end is still yet to come soon

Matther 24: 9- This one is interesting. True Christians have been, and will continue to be, persecuted, and sometimes put to death for following the example Jesus set.

Matther 24: 24-25-This is referring to all the false religion in the world, and conmtrary to common belief is actually the real meaning to the term Anti-Christ. It is not one specific man, but any single person or group that opposes Jesus, and his teachings in the purpose of misleading or deceiving, as indicated in this scripture.

2 Peter 3:3-5- In the last days which we are currently living in, many of the world will be scoffing at those preaching and warning the truth to them. They prefer to instead say, "when is this said end coming? you've been saying the end was coming 30 years ago!"

and thats all i have to say on said scriptures. these are the only possible and sensible interpretations of these scriptures for those of you, that say that there are inumerous ways to interpret it.

you're right.

but only one of those interpretations can be true.

[starfoxssm]

Sorry to bring up such a old topic but i just feel as if theres so much misinformation going around in here.But i dont find it wise to argue about the meaning of the scriptures of the bible.So i will just say if there are any confused by what was mentioned here about the certain scriptures quoted send me a PM and i will try to help you to understand the scriptures the the best of my ability.

[TYFIGHTER]

yeah i don't know. all the actual bible verses cited are pretty vague, and like any fortune teller/psychic's words, are general and cryptic enough that they can apply to many things at many points in time.

Well I mean if they werent vague we'd all know exactly when he was coming... Heres also something someone said to me when talking about this subject. "God has given us enough information that we can be prepared, but not enough information that we can become arrogant." Good words.

plus, we're looking at quite a variety of one-liners spaced widely throughout the bible. it's a little like joystiq's meta-reviews...where they take one line here and there from various media sources and try to tell a complete story with them. sure, you might end up with something accurate, but you could just as easily construct a mess of misinformation or conjecture.

Cort, 3 of the 5 verses were all in the same chapter of the book Matthew. The other two arent that much later on in the New Testament. But as to your Joystiq reviews... those are all from different sources put together into one. He took verses, that were all on the same subject, from one source (the Bible) and placed them closer together. Way different, isnt it?

2 Timothy 3:1-7
"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth."

Wow. If that doesnt describe our current world, I dont know what does. I also like the "always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth" part. We are always learning new things so rapidly, yet we try and use nearly every finding against the truth of God. The Bible also says that in the end times people will see good as evil, and evil as good (I cant quote a specific verse right now). That plays exactly into the earlier verse. Not only is everything in the verse occurring but then we have things such as abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, evolution, etc. And thats just American views... thats not touching other world views that are much worse! Our world is a sick place right now and shows just how corrupt with evil humanity has become.

2 Timothy 4:1-5
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."

In our world today, people wont give you the time of day if you speak of things they dont want to listen to. They only hear what they want to hear, which is actually something I kept telling Obama supporters they were doing during the election. People will ask me for my views, so I present my opinion and use the Bible to explain my opinion... but people will shut me down and ignore anything I have to say once the Bible becomes involved. Hearing only what they want to hear... people hate admiting theyre wrong. So if they ignore the other side, hey. They wont have to.

Genesis 17:1
"The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

Canaan was located where modern Israel is. He was talking to Abraham, by the way. Basically it was a prophesy of the creation of Israel which happened 60 years ago.

Joel 3:2
"I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land."
Once the Jews were scattered around the world like stated, the Arab nations divided the land of Israel. Israel was given back to the Jews and that land is now divided between the Jews and Palestinians, although Jews are the official owners of the land.

Ezekiel 37:1-14
The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" I said, "O Sovereign LORD, you alone know."

Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.' "

So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' " So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.

Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.' "

God just flat out said that he will give the Jews back the land of Israel, and said when its done you will know it was Him. Can you seriously deny that? Its right in front of your eyes. The Bible is legitimate, this isnt just a coincidence.

Here is something that shows the prophesy of the Israeli-Arab conflict, and its deep-rooted spiritual origination. Read the whole thing, Im not kidding. Its incredible.

http://therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm

lol... my favourite part was 'behold, i am coming soon".

how soon is that? considering how old all of the text is, i'm not going to hold my breath.

Well Revelations is an extremely cryptic and complex book that has always been too confusing for past generations. Like someone stated earlier (sorry dont remember who) we are the only generation that has even began to comprehend and understand Revelations, and also the other prophesies in the Bible. The book of Revelations was written for the people to be involved, so for us to be the ones that are understanding and seeing the prophesies first hand is not a coincidence.

Well, there is the evidence (and not even half of it, just the amount I have the time and attention span to cover). Believe whatever you must. Im not here to scare you into believing in God, Im only presenting the evidence and information. Im good for now, I feel Ive made a decent case...

*EDIT*
I took out Anti-Christ stuff cause it got this thread too off-topic. And besides I know its a Pope now. If you wanna know, I'll talk about it.

[cortjezter]

i have a good mind to remove the political diatribe. this is not a thread about obama-bashing or insinuating he is the anti-christ. that is complete baseless propaganda, and has no purpose in this thread.

if anyone objects to it, it goes. otherwise, for the sake of leaving the discussion somewhat alone, i'll leave it be for now.

[MalikHalo]

if anyone objects to it, it goes. otherwise, for the sake of leaving the discussion somewhat alone, i'll leave it be for now.

I'd leave it just for the comedic value, what with all of those people calling him their Savior.

However, I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be someone no one expects, and I'm sad to say this isn't the first time I've heard someone spout that same garbage.

[TYFIGHTER]

In no way am I intentionally trying to bash Obama. Theres a lot that points to him having a role in the end... Im not trying to convince anyone or scare anyone into hating him. Im just laying out theories and evidence that shows it.

But I didnt even finish my post cause my friend came over while I was typing it. Im gonna do that later today, unless you strongly feel I shouldnt. But sooner or later the Anti-Christ could possibly come and he will probably be a political figure, so how are we supposed to discuss who it is or who we think it might be if we cant talk about politicians?

[Reed]

That criteria also fit Hitler. So your basically saying anyone who started a self-help program is going to be a part of the anti-Christ.

One thing I've learned very soon after entering AP European History is that there is never one REAL way to interpret an ancient document of any kind. That includes the Bible (actually, that's a huge one when talking about interpretation). So don't act like current times HAVE to be the ONLY thing that could fit that criteria ever.

[MalikHalo]

That criteria also fit Hitler.

The criteria fits someone new every effin' year. The problem is these days, it's simply used to push a political agenda. Can't be surprised a bible thumper would pick the liberal president-elect.

[TYFIGHTER]

That criteria also fit Hitler.

Pretty sure the world didnt see Hitler as a savior. Hitler wasnt all about "peace", Hitler wasnt an appealing man. Hitler didnt deceive the world, they fought him. But lets say he did completely fit the criteria, what was going on in the world then didnt point to Biblical prophesies or the end time. Maybe some were in the process of occuring... but its nothing like everything happening in the world today which points to the Bibles signs of the end.

Can't be surprised a bible thumper would pick the liberal president-elect.

Did I mention there will be great persecution against Christians? Thanks for reminding me Malik.

Grr, Ive got school so I have to go to bed... Gotta finish that first post tomorrow or during Thanksgiving break.

[Reed]

That criteria also fit Hitler.

Pretty sure the world didnt see Hitler as a savior. Hitler wasnt all about "peace", Hitler wasnt an appealing man. Hitler didnt deceive the world, they fought him. But lets say he did completely fit the criteria, what was going on in the world then didnt point to Biblical prophesies or the end time. Maybe some were in the process of occuring... but its nothing like everything happening in the world today which points to the Bibles signs of the end.

Seems you don't know your history all that well, you only know him as the one in the war.
He wasn't decieving the world, he deceived the people of Germany. He promised nationilism and anti-communism.
and considering he was their elected official for a while, they must have OBVIOUSLY liked him pretty well.

And how is World War II not anything like it is today? A war that killed 70 million people that involved the majority of the world's power is DEFINATELY beat by a war involving very few major world powers that had killed a couple hundred thousand people. Please excuse my ignorance for thinking World War II was a bigger conflict in history that the Iraq War.

[MalikHalo]

Did I mention there will be great persecution against Christians? Thanks for reminding me Malik.

I'll direct you to my first post in this thread, a-thank you.

[TYFIGHTER]

That criteria also fit Hitler.

Pretty sure the world didnt see Hitler as a savior. Hitler wasnt all about "peace", Hitler wasnt an appealing man. Hitler didnt deceive the world, they fought him. But lets say he did completely fit the criteria, what was going on in the world then didnt point to Biblical prophesies or the end time. Maybe some were in the process of occuring... but its nothing like everything happening in the world today which points to the Bibles signs of the end.

Seems you don't know your history all that well, you only know him as the one in the war.
He wasn't decieving the world, he deceived the people of Germany. He promised nationilism and anti-communism.
and considering he was their elected official for a while, they must have OBVIOUSLY liked him pretty well.

And how is World War II not anything like it is today? A war that killed 70 million people that involved the majority of the world's power is DEFINATELY beat by a war involving very few major world powers that had killed a couple hundred thousand people. Please excuse my ignorance for thinking World War II was a bigger conflict in history that the Iraq War.

I understand that Germany was behind him... but is Germany the entire world? Nope. The goal of the Anti-Christ is to decieve and rule the people of the World. Not one country. Sure Hitler tried to take Europe but he did it through force and not deception and promises of "peace". Nationalism and anti-communism isnt promises of peace.

But I know WW2 was a much larger conflict than the Iraq War... but in the Bible it talks about conflict and then peace in the Middle East during the end times. The size and impact of World War 2 has nothing to do with the Biblical prophesies. Unless you consider the creation of the UN part of it, which seems to be the blueprint or starting point of a one world goverment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with any religion or its followers. I do have a problem when that religion is pushed on other people by its followers, however.

Am I pushing this on you and trying to force you into believing it? No, Im simply presenting the information. Im not damning you to Hell or trying to convert you in any way. So basically you say you have no problem with religious people yet once one present their views you call them a "bible thumper"... Is it just a grudge against me you have? I dunno, and I really dont care if you disagree. You just dont have to bash me simply because of my religion, which if I recall is discrimination... which you are so strongly against in the homosexuality thread.

Im at school so this is all I have time to write.

[Reed]

But you insinuate that Obama is that person? The entire world isn't backing up Obama. Hell, not even the entire nation of the United states is.

[Garfitor]

LOL, wow, I can't believe you people are actually debating this. This has got to be the absolutely most ridiculous argument ever.

Honestly, I can't think of a single thing to say that wouldn't sound totally condescending.

Have fun though, you guys.

[MalikHalo]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with any religion or its followers. I do have a problem when that religion is pushed on other people by its followers, however.

Am I pushing this on you and trying to force you into believing it? No, Im simply presenting the information. Im not damning you to Hell or trying to convert you in any way. So basically you say you have no problem with religious people yet once one present their views you call them a "bible thumper"... Is it just a grudge against me you have? I dunno, and I really dont care if you disagree. You just dont have to bash me simply because of my religion, which if I recall is discrimination... which you are so strongly against in the homosexuality thread.

Actually, I was referencing the first part of that post. Although, if you were to substitute "agenda" with "religion" it'd be close to what you're doing in this thread.

There's a very large difference between Christian and bible thumper, and it's sad that you can't see it. A Christian follows the Bible, but can still think for themselves. Bible thumpers let a book (Which may be complete fiction) do their thinking for them. There's nothing wrong with believing in something, but when you act like it's all fact and you don't listen to common sense, you look dumb. You're blinded by your faith at that point, and you know it, but don't care. That's what I don't like. And if you want to think that's discrimination, you go right ahead. I'm not denying them human rights.


Now, as for the Anti-Christ, pretty much every person that has risen to power in the past 70 years, including US Presidents. But it sure seems like the Left-wingers get the worst of it, and it only makes sense that the Right-wingers seem to be the center of those accusations.

[TYFIGHTER]

But you insinuate that Obama is that person? The entire world isn't backing up Obama. Hell, not even the entire nation of the United states is.

Who do you think Armageddon will be fought by if everyone follows him? When I say the world will fall in love with him, I do mean pretty much the entire world. But the strong-founded Christians, some nations, and God himself will rise against them and fight.

Now, as for the Anti-Christ, pretty much every person that has risen to power in the past 70 years, including US Presidents. But it sure seems like the Left-wingers get the worst of it, and it only makes sense that the Right-wingers seem to be the center of those accusations.

Well it wouldnt be liberals making accusations of someone being the Anti-Christ considering virtually all of them arent very religious. But you didnt really finish your first sentence, it ends abruptly so Im not sure what youre saying with that.

And Im sorry, but liberals/democrats are the people the Bible talks about when saying people will see good as evil, and evil as good. You guys fully support nearly everything the Bible speaks out against... so of course the Anti-Christ could be a democrat thats against everything the Bible is for. He will make it seem like theyre the correct choices, and that the Bibles views are wrong.

Itd be even better for him if he was a twisted religious leader, touting ideas publicly but behind the scenes he enforces the opposites. I edited my first post further, read the stuff I linked. Its really good.

There's a very large difference between Christian and bible thumper, and it's sad that you can't see it. A Christian follows the Bible, but can still think for themselves. Bible thumpers let a book (Which may be complete fiction) do their thinking for them. There's nothing wrong with believing in something, but when you act like it's all fact and you don't listen to common sense, you look dumb. You're blinded by your faith at that point, and you know it, but don't care. That's what I don't like. And if you want to think that's discrimination, you go right ahead. I'm not denying them human rights.

The Bible clearly lays out how to live your life... and if youre a Christian you should fully believe and trust in the Bible and what it says, considering its Gods own words. Youre comparing a fake Christian with someone who truly believes in Jesus, the Christian faith, and lives according to how the Bible states we should. Im not blind in my faith, your too blind by humanities corruption and evil to see the truth.

And you can still consider it fiction after all of the extremely obvious prophecies I just showed you? See what Im saying? You wont even look at the evidence sitting right in front of you... You will only hear what you want to.

PS:
discrimination on dictionary.com
"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit" FYI. Dont yell at me for "discriminating" when you turn around and do the same.

But I honestly could care less if you "discriminate" against me though... its all part of the master plan.

[Reed]

But you insinuate that Obama is that person? The entire world isn't backing up Obama. Hell, not even the entire nation of the United states is.

Who do you think Armageddon will be fought by if everyone follows him? When I say the world will fall in love with him, I do mean pretty much the entire world. But the strong-founded Christians, some nations, and God himself will rise against them and fight.

Okay, but the entire world ISN'T in love Obama. Not everyone in the United States are in love with him. And that's a pretty discriminatory thing that you said there said you are saying that only "strong-founded Christians" are the only ones who aren't going to follow the anti-Christ which, to me, seems like you are saying everyone else in the world is too weak-minded to decide for themselves what path to choose. I'm far from a strong-founded Christian but I don't follow Obama (or should I say "the anti-Christ").

[MalikHalo]

Well it wouldnt be liberals making accusations of someone being the Anti-Christ considering virtually all of them arent very religious. But you didnt really finish your first sentence, it ends abruptly so Im not sure what youre saying with that.

And Im sorry, but liberals/democrats are the people the Bible talks about when saying people will see good as evil, and evil as good. You guys fully support nearly everything the Bible speaks out against... so of course the Anti-Christ could be a democrat thats against everything the Bible is for. He will make it seem like theyre the correct choices, and that the Bibles views are wrong.

Itd be even better for him if he was a twisted religious leader, touting ideas publicly but behind the scenes he enforces the opposites. I edited my first post further, read the stuff I linked. Its really good.

That's 100% right. Demos don't claim that the Republican president will be the end of the world. No fear-mongering there. I'm sure you could see where I was going with that first almost sentence. Every one of those people were accused of being the Anti-Christ. Jimmy Carter, Clinton, Mussolini, Hitler, Hussein. When you bet on all the horses, you can't lose. This is just another one of those times, and the world got tired of it decades ago.

You don't really get how the elections work, do you? Obama isn't having us choose the "wrong" choices. We chose them by ourselves before we ever knew he was running for president, and that's why he got elected. And even after he got elected, the people who voted for him did so for several different reasons, with a lot of them having nothing to do with the "wrong" choices you've been talking about.

The Bible clearly lays out how to live your life... and if youre a Christian you should fully believe and trust in the Bible and what it says, considering its Gods own words. Youre comparing a fake Christian with someone who truly believes in Jesus, the Christian faith, and lives according to how the Bible states we should. Im not blind in my faith, your too blind by humanities corruption and evil to see the truth.

And you can still consider it fiction after all of the extremely obvious prophecies I just showed you? See what Im saying? You wont even look at the evidence sitting right in front of you... You will only hear what you want to.

Yeah, God's words... that contradict themselves all the time. A book that says to stone your children because they used God's name in vain. A book that says to discriminate against everyone that doesn't believe exactly what it says to. A book that says that God killed every human on Earth because he messed up when he created them. Anyone who can follow that word for word and not think twice about it is beyond me.

Yeah, prophecies, right. More like vague shots in the dark that have been given 2000 to come true. Given enough time, pretty much anything thought up can happen. I can say right now that we'll be visited by strangers that come in peace. That could refer to aliens visiting the planet, refugees from another country making it here, even new neighbors introducing themselves to you. When it eventually happened (Because it certainly would), you wouldn't say "ZOMG, Malik prophesied this!"

PS:
discrimination on dictionary.com
"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit" FYI. Dont yell at me for "discriminating" when you turn around and do the same.

If you think it's discriminatory to dislike someone because they deny certain people rights they should have, then fine.