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HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby AlexPuma » 03 May 2008 13:56

I'm surprised there isn't a topic about this already. I'll keep it brief while I open this can of worms.

Probably the biggest issue in gaming right now is probably the most useless. Mostly because the gaming media is making it an issue. The whole "Casual" games are taking over and "Hardcore" games are the only ones worth playing. Trouble is this issues isn't so black & white sites like 1up would like you to believe.

What makes a gamer "hardcore" and what makes a gamer "causal"? Its easy to tell when you have Grandma playing Wii Tennis on a Sunday afternoon, while your cousin is too busy playing Crysis on his high-end PC to even say hi to his family. There are many games, however, that aren't so easily defined. Games like Super Mario Galaxy, Halo 3, and Grand Theft Auto 4 are the best example of games that are more difficult to define.

Mario Galaxy has been called "too simple" and "for kids only" by some. Halo 3's biggest fanbase are people who only play multiplayer with friends on a Friday night. Grand Theft Auto 4 is the ultimate "pick-up-and-play" game; play only for a few short rampages and then turn off the machine without touching the storymode. Even with all this, those three games are considered "hardcore" by most.

Then there are games that are considered "causal" but could be be played in a hardcore manner. Tetris, Katamari, Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, The Sims, DDR, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band are games that cater specifically to casuals but they all have an extremely hardcore fanbase.

So after all this babble and ranting, what do I personally believe? I think its all bullhonkey. Play the games you want to play without labels. I'd play a hard level on Zack & Wiki followed by a session of Endless Ocean to cool my brain. I'd enjoy a hardcore session of Dr. Mario and when I fail I'd go on a rampage in GTA: Vice City. There are no "HARDxCORE" or "CASUAL" gamers, only labels. I'm a true gamer, and I'll play My Horse & Me if I feel like playing it :P.

Discuss. What is everybody's thoughts on this debacle?
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby thresholdXCI » 05 May 2008 05:28

Totally agree with you. I mentioned the same thing on The Conduit boards at IGN (and probably the thread here). Casual gamers have been around since games began. Most PS2 owners were casual. There are casuals who own PS3s, 360s and Wiis - not just the latter. When a game with enough hype and advertising lands on any console it'll sell (regardless of being hardcore or not). Just look at Red Steel and Brawl.

That's why ambitious, mature, hardcore games like The Conduit still have a very good chance of selling, even on Wii. I've shown my friends it - most of whom are very casual gaming-wise - and they were all totally wowed by it. They all want to get it. That game'll sell if it carries on getting the hype it is now - and some decent TV advertisement.

Thats why its annoying when games like Sadness and the infamous 'dark game' can't get a publisher because; "those games don't sell on Wii". Bull****, why did Resident Evil 4, Red Steel and Umbrella Chronicles all break the million mark in months? Because they got the hype.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby AlexPuma » 06 May 2008 00:12

I see what you're saying too. I see the Disaster logo in your sig and hope that game gets a good advertising budget. It could start a new revolution in gaming, probably even invent a new subgenre like Resident Evil did when it came out.

Also, somebody mentioned in the comments section on the site that some people mistake the Wii's Shovelware = Casual games. This is what I'm trying to avoid. Endless Ocean is clearly a casual game marketed towards casuals. Anubis II is a piece of crap marketed towards thrifty parents of unsuspecting children. No More Heroes is a unique action game that just wasn't marketed at all.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby bearded OTP » 10 Nov 2008 03:54

Here is the problem, we need to stop blurring the lines between Casual gaming, Core Gaming and Hardcore Gaming. Yes, there are 3 groups here, not just 2.

Each group is a must and each group has a following, and each of the 3 can appeal to just about anyone.

Where the problem is many want to blur the idea of hardcore games with that of core games, and i'm sorry, but they are NOT the same. Nintendo and it's loyal followers seem to want this most of all. Why? Because Nintendo doesn't do Hardcore and it's difficult for them to handle. So if they can blur the lines and make it seem like core and hardcore are the same, and that it really doesn't matter, then all is well.

Let me explain.

We know casual, or more commonly known as "shovelware," now that isn't totally correct either, not all Casual games are crap, sadly on the wii, 9 out of 10 are. But lets not kid ourselves, causal games can be fun and can be great, just take Tetris.

Next we have the core game, or the middle of the road game, Nintendo does Core like no one else in the industry. Both Sony and M$ can't match them. All of Nintendo's main games would fit there. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pikmin, F-Zero, Star Fox. etc.

So we see that Nintendo does Causal and Core without issue, so when they say that "Core games are already out" they are, and it's a fact. but the blurring of lines happens when a select few in the Nintendo camp want Hardcore games, and lets be honest, name me one Nintendo made game that reached over a T for Teen rating? Thus proving my point.

Now a Hardcore game is altogether different. Take Resident Evil 4, or Eternal Darkness, these for Nintendo only Hardcore games. You could even through in Killer 7 and Twin Snakes as well. Notice i'm naming Gamecube games, because the Hardcore Wii games are...well, i can't think of any.

Again to prove the point, Paper Mario is NOT the same as Fable 2, they both could be called RPG's but they are not the same.

Now i'm not saying that Core games are bad, because they are not, they are a must and as i said, Nintendo does them wonderfully. But Name me the "only one wii" hardcore game thats out there. To be fair there might be a few, i can't think of them, but i'll just say that perhaps there are some that aren't coming to mind.

This all goes back to the crap about "gameplay over graphics," and that graphics don't matter. Tell that to Oblivion, Resident evil 5, Assassins Creed, Final Fantasy 13, GTA 4 and every other 3rd party game worth noting out there. To me, as a Nintendo Fan, that's a lot of gameplay we are missing out on.

Instead we get lame idiot versions of GTA and Assassin Creed, and Final Fantasy and whatever else comes. Some times it's good, but most times, it's not.

This happens because developers are lazy and cheap when it comes to making Solo system games, they want to make games they can port to as many systems as they can. It's all about money. If they are forced to make a wii only game that takes away time and money from other projects. So by Nintendo making the wii halfassed that simply made it harder for the developers to make their games, and created and demand for REAL games, vs that of halfassed wanna be type games.

A more powerful system is a win-win all the way around.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby abazou » 14 Dec 2008 16:42

hehe
y do people call it casual
not softcore :lol:
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby Nintend()\/\/|\|312 » 14 Dec 2008 18:52

I'd also like to stress the importance of not associating casual games with crap or shallow game play. This is more of a developer problem than anything. I think we are all familiar with the mechanisms behind why the hell Ubisoft can get away with shoveling out seventy trillion PetZ games and turn a profit. Let's try to focus on the good casual games like Tetris, Guitar Hero's/Rockband's and Wii Sports.

To me, the only difference I can see between good "casual" and "hardcore" games is that good casual games require a very short amount of time, typically somewhere around five minutes or so, before being rewarded for their experience playing the game. This might be one match of tennis in Wii Sports, one round of Tetris, a single song in Guitar Hero or possibly just five minutes of fooling around in GTA IV. Casual gamers typically do not get all that interested in completing a fifty hour long Final Fantasy game. The thought of getting all 120 or so stars in SMG is a daunting task.

However, note that with these games a hardcore gamer can appreciate them too. Instead of enjoying one song at a time in Guitar Hero, I could play for twenty hours straight honing my skills so I can move up in difficulty. I might shoot for that pro status in all of the sports in Wii Sports and spend a lot of time trying to beat my old scores in the challenges. So, it might sound reasonable to treat Wii Sports as a hardcore game as well.

So, it seems that there appears to be a dichotomy between hardcore and casual gamers but less so in actual games. Casual gamers tend to like games that do not involve heavy time investment but I don't think "casual" is a good label for those kinds of games.

The only real dichotomy I see in games is between good games and bad games. I would consider one of my friends to be a casual gamer but she absolutely loved Goldeneye, typically viewed as a hardcore game. Why? Because it was a good game. Casual gamers don't want to play games about PetZ, they want to shoot Russians like the rest of us! :D
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Video Gamers, Not "Hardcore" or "Casual"

Postby smileyryder » 15 Dec 2008 23:45

I was listening to the latest installment of Invisible Walls from Game Trailers this week and was hit by part of a conversation I heard. I’ve transcribed the portion in question. Read it and then my comments will follow. This post is kinda long so please bear with me.


What you do think is the biggest downfall of this generation of gaming?

Shane Satterfield: For me the biggest downfall of this generation of consoles is the emergence of the casual gamer. Never thought I’d say this, as much as I love, ya’ know, being able to play Rock Band with people other than the dudes I usually play games with. When I look at the overall cost benefit analysis of it I’d rather have it just me and my dudes playing games and getting more games for my tastes.
Um, I don’t like it that anybody is diverting resources away from making games I want to play for making games my wife, or your girlfriend or whoever wants to play. It really struck me with Prince of Persia. Like, that game has totally been made for, like, the Wii crowd, the Scene It! crowd, the people who play one or two games a year. They’re going to be able to jump on that game, they’re going to be able to finish it. Ya’ know, they may die, but you’re not really punished for dieing in that game. I just feel that that whole game has been set up for this new audience of people. The same people, ya’ know, my wife has some magazine called N Style and she’s, like, flipping through it I see and ad for the DS in N Style.
I see the commercials for Animal Crossing and they’re all 30 year old women going, ya’ know, “Oh my God, I can’t believe you got that pair of jeans”.

Marcus: You know who we can blame for this is Nintendo

Shane: You’re exactly right. It does go back to them. They are the one who started this, and granted it’s making them a lot of money, but it’s not resulting in a lot of games I wanna play from it.




I see this sentiment a lot when perusing video game websites and blogs and listening to podcasts. I spend many hours a week listening to the latest and greatest gaming podcasts out there while at work and I am amazed how often I hear statements that mirror this or are very closely related. “Elite Gamers” or “Hardcore Gamers” as they like to call themselves like to vilify “Softcore” or “Casual” gamers because games are being made for the latter category. I personally hate those terms and think that there are simply people that like video games and those that don’t. I hate those labels. I, myself, would be classified somewhere in the middle even though a “Hardcore” gamer would probably call me “Casual”. I couldn’t be a “Hardcore” gamer because I don’t have an Xbox 360 or PS3, but I’m not a casual gamer either, because I don’t play Popcap games exclusively. According to my Wii’s clock I play around 15-20 hours of video games a week. That doesn’t include any time spent playing the PC where I do play games like Call of Duty or Half-life.

I don’t understand this mentality. Why should it be wrong, like the conversation above insinuates, to create games for “Casual” gamers? Are these people not allowed to play games? Is it wrong for them to have fun playing Wii Fit, or Mario Kart, or Scene It!? I don’t remember reading anywhere it was illegal for these people to enjoy themselves with a video game console. They may not like getting shredded with a Lancer or attempting to survive against the biggest Zombie apocalypse the world has ever seen. The Wii has been credited with this rise in “Casual” gamers and while that may be true it’s not exclusive to the Wii. Every gaming platform out there has games that could be considered “Casual”. Every company is out there trying to make games that appeal to every audience. This may take away resources from the latest FPS, but it also shows that there is a hugely diverse gaming population out there. Gaming isn’t just about the boys anymore.

Gamers everyone are asking, “Where can I find a girl that’s into video games?” “I wanna be with someone who enjoys games as much as I do.” Well, they’re out there. They may not want to play Gears of War 2 or Halo 3, but they’re out there. When they find them they may be into playing games like Peggle, or Cooking Mama, or Wii Fit. The next phrase is, “How do I get her to play Co-Op Call of Duty with me? She likes crappy games.” The answer, you might not be able to. You can’t have it both ways my friend. What do you want a girl who happens to like electronic entertainment or not? I was lucky enough to marry a woman who enjoys playing video games. I like Resident Evil, she likes Diner Dash. Do I think she shouldn’t be allowed to play that because I want another Resident Evil game? No. We have been able to find games that we both like to play. You have to go out there outside your testosterone filled gaming bubble and play something different. Those games are out there. They’re fun, they’re exciting. They can bring a sense of competition to your relationship. You have to be willing to play games like Mario Kart, Scene It!, Buzz, Sing Star, or Rock Band. You have to understand that not everyone enjoys the same things you do. You don’t hear this kind of talk in the movie industry or the book industry. There’s room for everyone. Everyone that wants to play games is entitled to play the games they like to play.

Companies today are starting to realize this and they’re opening their game libraries to different experiences. Nintendo seems to the “Hard Core” to be focusing solely on the “Casual” market. That may be true in their eyes, but I look at it a little differently. I look at it as the “Video Game” market.

Video games really started growing in the 80’s with Nintendo. Back then their audience was young boys and their friends. Gaming was looked at as a young male hobby. The games back then were marketed toward them and designed for them. Now 20-30 years later that audience is grown up. They have wives, and children. They want to be able to play games with their families. Their wives want to be able to play games because they’ve been introduced to them through those family games. That’s the type of experience they want. You can’t sit down on the couch with your 5 year old and play Gears of War with them, but you can sit on the couch with your 5 year old and play Mario Kart, or Wii Music, or Scene It!, or Viva Pinata. Those games are accessible to them. They understand them. They enjoy watching them. Then as they grow up and start to understand the controller a little more or want a bit bigger of an experience they move on to games like Super Mario Galaxy or Geometry Wars. The get used to those games and they become teenagers and they begin to get interested in Halo, or GTA or Call of Duty.

Wives play Mario Kart with their husbands. They’re good with time management so games like Diner Dash or Cooking Mama begin to appeal to them. Some enjoy movies like Saving Private Ryan and so the shooters may appeal to them. You can’t toss them in there with a controller and say have fun. Sometimes you can, but that’s not always the case. You have to ease them into the experience sometimes.

I can’t stand how the attitude among gamers is that games have to appeal only to me. If I don’t like a game then it’s stupid and shouldn’t be made. I want everything to appeal to me.

You were a “Casual” gamer once. You might not have realized it but you were. There are games that appeal to you and games that don’t. Play the ones you like. Don’t play the ones you don’t like, but everyone has the right to games they find appealing. I personally think that. You may not. The beauty of our country is at the moment we’re still allowed our own opinions. This one is mine. You don’t have to agree with it.
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Re: Video Gamers, Not "Hardcore" or "Casual"

Postby NeroSuferoth » 16 Dec 2008 14:11

"Casual" games are here to stay, it's their time to bloom right now. They may lose some momentum with time, but we will be seeing more of them from here on out, and there's nothing we can do about it.

But while I have nothing against "casual games" or "casual gamers", I do follow Mr. Satterfield's point when he says:
"I don’t like it that anybody is diverting resources away from making games I want to play for making games my wife, or your girlfriend or whoever wants to play".

To me what that means is: Don't take a "hardcore" game like Prince of Persia and turn it into a "casual" one.

Prince of Persia is a "hardcore" oriented franchise, even the original PC games were among the hardest most time consuming games I have ever played. So I can see how fans of the series can feel disappointed when they watch the game, along with all the elements they liked about it (it's difficulty, complexity, mood) turn in favor of a more "casual" feel.

To see it from another angle. Take the next Gears of Wars entry, one of the most "hardcore" oriented games of our times with a huge "hardcore" fanbase, and change it's dark, bloody, tough, somber, gritty mood for kittens, rainbows, milkshakes and flowers. Now clearly I'm blowing it out of proportion a bit, but you can see where I'm headed. I don't think "hardcore" fans are going to be pleased.

Again, I have nothing against "casual games", I think there's enough room for booth, but It would be nice to see a line that divides what's what. Expand ongoing "hardcore" and "casual" franchises and create new ones from the ground up. Don't take beloved "hardcore" games, turn them into "casual" and expect everybody to be happy about it.

I think of myself as an "all around" gamer, don't mind if it's "casual" or "hardcore" as long as I find some elements that are of my likings. But it's one thing to be able to play any kind of game and another to take a game and change all the things you found worth playing it for.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby Nintend()\/\/|\|312 » 18 Dec 2008 03:39

I think my thoughts on the subject could be best summed up in one sentence: I don't give half a damn whether a game is "hardcore" or "casual" as long as it is good.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby dunnace » 19 Dec 2008 19:38

I'm casual core and artsy gamer. For example:
I cannot play a 'hardcore' game without cringing, things like Gears of War, UT, you know, all the super macho rubbish with a 'target audience'.
But a game like Half Life 2 I love because it's got flair and originality, a decent plot and great characters. THAT'S what I look for, here's a list of examples:

Casual Core and Artsy Franchises:
Mario
Zelda
Pretty much anything by Valve
Elite Beat Agents
No More Heroes
Little Big Planet
Rare's games (except Perfect Dark Zero...)
Killer7
God of War (surprisingly accurate Mythology and just so much fun, the macho exception)
Most Downloadable games (art Style in particular)

That's my style, personally I think hardcore gamers are either narrow minded or sadistic. All they seem to want is death.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby 313 » 20 Dec 2008 02:34

At the end of the day you can't really call yourself a gamer until you've played a diverse quality of games. By diverse I mean you don't just play smash bros everyday. You play games in different genres. My problem with casual gamers is that they only play one specific game that's relatively easy and then call themselves gamers. I play alot of different games from MMO's, shooters, rpg's, fighters, racers, action/adventure, even sport titles. I understand that people should enjoy video games regardless but eventually people want more challenging things. Also, many older people do enjoy the hardcore games.

For example, I had a friend tell me that he played Gears of War 2 in front of his girlfriend's mom with the violence edited and she liked it.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby cortjezter » 20 Dec 2008 09:35

313 wrote:At the end of the day you can't really call yourself a gamer until you've played a diverse quality of games. By diverse I mean you don't just play smash bros everyday. You play games in different genres. My problem with casual gamers is that they only play one specific game that's relatively easy and then call themselves gamers.


i don't know if that's necessarily true. if someone only enjoys playing baseball, but doesn't also play or enjoy basketball, football, hockey, etc. that doesn't mean they're not an athlete or they're not into sports.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby 313 » 21 Dec 2008 00:07

cortjezter wrote:
313 wrote:At the end of the day you can't really call yourself a gamer until you've played a diverse quality of games. By diverse I mean you don't just play smash bros everyday. You play games in different genres. My problem with casual gamers is that they only play one specific game that's relatively easy and then call themselves gamers.


i don't know if that's necessarily true. if someone only enjoys playing baseball, but doesn't also play or enjoy basketball, football, hockey, etc. that doesn't mean they're not an athlete or they're not into sports.



I can understand that but also some people play basketball and never play football. What I don't get is how someone who plays basketball degrades someone for playing football. How can you negatively comment on a sport you've never played? Its the same thing with casual and hardcore games.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby coffeewithchess » 21 Dec 2008 03:05

313 wrote:Also, many older people do enjoy the hardcore games.

For example, I had a friend tell me that he played Gears of War 2 in front of his girlfriend's mom with the violence edited and she liked it.


These points don't go together.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby NeroSuferoth » 21 Dec 2008 18:00

313 wrote:At the end of the day you can't really call yourself a gamer until you've played a diverse quality of games. By diverse I mean you don't just play smash bros everyday. You play games in different genres. My problem with casual gamers is that they only play one specific game that's relatively easy and then call themselves gamers. I play alot of different games from MMO's, shooters, rpg's, fighters, racers, action/adventure, even sport titles. I understand that people should enjoy video games regardless but eventually people want more challenging things. Also, many older people do enjoy the hardcore games.

The thing is that casual gamers buy and play games just like everybody else. They may like less complicated and violent games (eventhough there are violent/difficult games that appeal to the casual audience) and they may play at their own pase but they are gamers nonetheless.

Let's just say that within the word gamer, you're a "core" gamer.

And also...
313 wrote:I can understand that but also some people play basketball and never play football. What I don't get is how someone who plays basketball degrades someone for playing football. How can you negatively comment on a sport you've never played? Its the same thing with casual and hardcore games.

I think you're kind of contradicting you own point when you said that you can't call a casual gamer a gamer.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby 313 » 21 Dec 2008 23:41

coffeewithchess wrote:
313 wrote:Also, many older people do enjoy the hardcore games.

For example, I had a friend tell me that he played Gears of War 2 in front of his girlfriend's mom with the violence edited and she liked it.


These points don't go together.


The point I was trying to make was the stereotype that casual gamers don't like violent games isn't always true.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby amazingjanet » 22 Dec 2008 05:02

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=19554

Conducted with market research firm NPD, the study surveyed 2,611 gamers and determined that lines between casual and hardcore are blurry at best, and gamer demographics are broader than conventional thinking has held. As Big Fish chief strategy officer (CSO) Paul Thelen stated during a Casual Connect keynote, the traditional casual approach of "'one size fits all' doesn't work."

Rather than simply separating gamers into casual and hardcore, Big Fish created 10 casual gaming segments and four core gaming segments - when it comes to demographics, business models, and platforms, the gaming market is diverging, not converging, the company claims.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/e ... sual-label

"EA has learned a lot about casual entertainment in the past two years, and found that casual gaming defies a single genre and demographic," explained EA in a statement.


http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3 ... gamers.php

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3 ... gamers.php

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3 ... gamers.php

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5170.html

With few exceptions, every job people need or want to do has a social, a functional, and an emotional dimension. If marketers understand each of these dimensions, then they can design a product that's precisely targeted to the job. In other words, the job, not the customer, is the fundamental unit of analysis for a marketer who hopes to develop products that customers will buy.

[...]

By understanding the job and improving the product's social, functional, and emotional dimensions so that it did the job better, the company's milk shakes would gain share against the real competition—not just competing chains' milk shakes but bananas, boredom, and bagels. This would grow the category, which brings us to an important point: Job-defined markets are generally much larger than product category-defined markets. Marketers who are stuck in the mental trap that equates market size with product categories don't understand whom they are competing against from the customer's point of view.

Notice that knowing how to improve the product did not come from understanding the "typical" customer. It came from understanding the job. Need more evidence?

Pierre Omidyar did not design eBay for the "auction psychographic." He founded it to help people sell personal items. Google was designed for the job of finding information, not for a "search demographic." The unit of analysis in the work that led to Procter & Gamble's stunningly successful Swiffer was the job of cleaning floors, not a demographic or psychographic study of people who mop.

Why do so many marketers try to understand the consumer rather than the job? One reason may be purely historical: In some of the markets in which the tools of modern market research were formulated and tested, such as feminine hygiene or baby care, the job was so closely aligned with the customer demographic that if you understood the customer, you would also understand the job. This coincidence is rare, however. All too frequently, marketers' focus on the customer causes them to target phantom needs.


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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby grooveraider » 14 Jun 2009 18:11

I just think the whole casual vs hardcore arguement is ignorant as hell. Nintendo President
Satoru Iwata said it well at the Nintendo E3'09 Press Conference paraphrasing
we were all casual players from the beginning. Don't you remember getting your
first Nintendo Entertainment System ( with R.O.B. even )? Remember looking onto the American NES console box only to see a FAMILY enjoying themselves in a game of Duck Hunt, Super Mario Bros, or Gyromite? The other games that followed the NES have defined the games we play today on ANY system ! Video games is video games. Not casual vs hardcore. Its entertainment no matter what you're playing. These stupid arguements are based around people with personal insecurities. They may not own all three consoles so they justify their purchase against another console they didn't buy.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby Ezekiel Rage » 06 Jul 2009 15:59

a game is a game. you play a game you are a gamer. i hate the terms hardcore and casual.
if i had to define it, i design casual games and play hardcore game.s on the other hand, beat me in dr mario... go ahead, try...
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby Charbok » 11 Aug 2009 12:39

Ezekiel Rage wrote:a game is a game. you play a game you are a gamer. i hate the terms hardcore and casual.


I couldn't agree with this more.
Games are just "games", that's it. Labeling them as "casual" and "hardcore" only allows for discrimination in assuming one type is inherently better than the other. Boom Blox is casual, but I think it's a way better game than tons of popular hardcore games. And then there are games like Mario Galaxy which is so completely in the middle that it eliminates the need for the terms anyway.

Good games are good games no matter what "type" they are.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby sba sb3002 » 12 Aug 2009 15:39

But don't you guys just hate it when someone who only plays Halo and Call of Duty go around telling everyone they're the most hardcore gamer in town?
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby Charbok » 12 Aug 2009 18:41

sba sb3002 wrote:But don't you guys just hate it when someone who only plays Halo and Call of Duty go around telling everyone they're the most hardcore gamer in town?


Not at all, so long as they're playing the games in a hardcore way. I'm a casual player of Halo, but a hardcore player of CoD, but there are certainly people that are the other way around. It really just depends on how you play the games you play.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby LuigiGBA » 12 Aug 2009 21:50

sba sb3002 wrote:But don't you guys just hate it when someone who only plays Halo and Call of Duty go around telling everyone they're the most hardcore gamer in town?

I don't mind what they say about themselves, but I think the thing that bothers most people is when such a person tears down anyone who doesn't play those types of games, and that happens quite a bit.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby InvalidRobot » 14 Aug 2009 14:39

I don't even pay attention to it really.

I enjoy being an individual who plays video games, and I happen to enjoy a large variety of games, and they don't happen to include COD or GH.
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Re: HARDxCORE vs. Casual

Postby DoubleDragon » 14 Aug 2009 21:16

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