Same-Sex

[Sigtaro]

With separation of church and state the church is no longer important. It's just about the benefits.

[New Age Retro Hippie]

Marraige is an institution of the Church. The only reason why people bother with the issue, is thanks to divorce laws.

same sex married people can now.

get divorces
make immigrants legal citizens.
get all the merits that comes with being married.

The same issue with don't ask and don't tell. People need to keep there business at the bar, and under the sheets. Not stick in peoples face. There is nothing wrong with people, but being openly about is wronger the the word wrong itself.

What the Hell kind of epic stupidity is this? You probably have a lot of stuff that I would tell you to shut your mouth about that you'd piss and moan about how you have rights. And way to bring up something that pretty much anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence believes to be one of the biggest acts of discrimination in the military.

Seriously, posts like this, their only purpose is to tell me "who here is an idiot?".

[PaperLink64]

Neither for nor against, let people live their own lives while I mind my own.

[mariomaniac45213]

Neither for nor against, let people live their own lives while I mind my own.

exactly it is there choice to live there life.

[Zidane]

Only in Texas...

[MotPlushie]

personally, i say that same-sex marriage should be allowed, but not necessarily promoted. marriage, as described by dictionary.com:
a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
b. a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage.
in other words, apparently same sex marriage is different than opposite sex marriage, which honestly, i am disappointed with.

What the Hell kind of epic stupidity is this? You probably have a lot of stuff that I would tell you to shut your mouth about that you'd piss and moan about how you have rights. And way to bring up something that pretty much anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence believes to be one of the biggest acts of discrimination in the military.

Seriously, posts like this, their only purpose is to tell me "who here is an idiot?".

honestly? you're only trying to prove yourself an idiot, okay? they were just trying to state their opinion, and you just go ahead and shove it back in their face. and what do you mean by "posts like this"? do you mean to say that you have seen another post almost exactly like that one? did you respond to it the same way? or ignore it/ in which case, why didn't you ignore that one too?
ah, whatever. i'm just going to simply say the old phrase: "if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all."

[cheeseyrox2]

I fully support same-sex marriage. You are discriminating those that are gay/lesbian if you ban it or deny their right to be married.

[drew]

I honestly wish I could get worked up over this, but I just can't.
Leave these people alone! And forget that Civil Union nonsense. Why not give them their own drinking fountains while we are at it? Separate is inherently unequal.
Who opposes same gender marriage? Churches and government.
If you haven't been paying attention since ever, the biggest freaks/perverts/thieves/liars
come from Church and Government. This is common knowledge. At least gays are trying to be honest about it.

[POWRDUPshawn]

I'm against it.

It's not so much that I care, as I'm not religious. In the long run it doesn't really make a difference if they can marry or not, I just have my own personal beliefs on the issue.

I don't believe that it's possible for people of the same sex to legitimately fall "in love". Sure, they can love each other, but I honestly just don't believe you can feel as extensively for someone of the same sex.

And no, I'm not close-minded as it doesn't bother me when it's legalized. However, I do think the terms and benefits should change. To me it's not really a rights issue.

Also, I find it completely ridiculous that while I was growing up, being gay wasn't accepted. Now that it kind of is, it's like every other person you run into is gay. It's like a fad, it's so annoying.

[Nintend()\/\/|\|312]

I don't believe that it's possible for people of the same sex to legitimately fall "in love". Sure, they can love each other, but I honestly just don't believe you can feel as extensively for someone of the same sex.

Well, conversely, I suppose a gay person may find it hard to believe that one can really fall in love with someone of the opposite sex. If you wanted a first hand account of someone who could say whether or not one could love someone of the same sex just as much as someone of the opposite sex, you would need to talk to someone who has fallen in love with members of both sexes. However, I'm no expert, but if I remember what was in my introductory psychology course textbook said, there aren't any indications that heterosexual and homosexual relationships are any different emotionally. I'll maybe dig that thing up later on and see if I can pull up some references.

[thresholdXCI]

Last time I posted in here was almost 2 years ago. I've changed my vote since to support (I'm not even sure what I was going on about before anyway). Seems silly getting worked up over semantics and such. I suppose as long as there is some sort of legally recognized alternative (so no gay couples lose out on the various benefits of marriage, so to speak) I'm not going to get angry about specific churches etc not wanting to support it. However I would be happier if they did - after all there's nothing evil about homosexuality so it's only fair.

[Zidane]

I'm against it.

It's not so much that I care, as I'm not religious. In the long run it doesn't really make a difference if they can marry or not, I just have my own personal beliefs on the issue.

I don't believe that it's possible for people of the same sex to legitimately fall "in love". Sure, they can love each other, but I honestly just don't believe you can feel as extensively for someone of the same sex.

And no, I'm not close-minded as it doesn't bother me when it's legalized. However, I do think the terms and benefits should change. To me it's not really a rights issue.

Also, I find it completely ridiculous that while I was growing up, being gay wasn't accepted. Now that it kind of is, it's like every other person you run into is gay. It's like a fad, it's so annoying.

How is it a fad? And when will the fad be over?

[The_Hangman]

I want to add to this argument, but the old poster LoftytheMetroid has pretty much wrote it all for me. I seriously doubt there's any logical way to deny same-sex couples the right to marry, at least in the US.

Honestly, I think most people against same-sex marriage are just grossed out about it and base their arguments more on those oh-so reliable tenets of "beliefs" and "opinions" than any logical consideration.

It's just a shame so many people do this -_-

[WesFX]

Where's the "don't care". I'm not undecided, I just don't care.

[EpicGyllynn]

I am strongly opposed to same-sex marriage, because, as threshhold pointed out, the modern marriage was established by the the early Church as a "Holy Union between a Man & Woman", if they want to become legal partners thats fine, but a nearly 2000 year old religion shouldn't be asked to change their ideals for anything, let alone this! I am a Christian, and I do not believe homosexuals go to Heaven, I do believe that being gay is a choice(in fact I know it is), but I do NOT believe they should be oppressed. A homosexual should have the same rights as everyone else, but they should be legally partnered, not married!

[EpicGyllynn]

after all there's nothing evil about homosexuality so it's only fair.

You couldn't be more wrong!

[MalikHalo]

after all there's nothing evil about homosexuality so it's only fair.

You couldn't be more wrong!

Welp, case closed, then.

[Zidane]

after all there's nothing evil about homosexuality so it's only fair.

You couldn't be more wrong!

What are the evils of being gay?

[New Age Retro Hippie]

What the Hell kind of epic stupidity is this? You probably have a lot of stuff that I would tell you to shut your mouth about that you'd piss and moan about how you have rights. And way to bring up something that pretty much anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence believes to be one of the biggest acts of discrimination in the military.

Seriously, posts like this, their only purpose is to tell me "who here is an idiot?".

honestly? you're only trying to prove yourself an idiot, okay? they were just trying to state their opinion, and you just go ahead and shove it back in their face. and what do you mean by "posts like this"? do you mean to say that you have seen another post almost exactly like that one? did you respond to it the same way? or ignore it/ in which case, why didn't you ignore that one too?
ah, whatever. i'm just going to simply say the old phrase: "if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all."

I don't have anything nice to say to bigots who perpetuate fear of homosexuals and in homosexuals.

I'm against it.

It's not so much that I care, as I'm not religious. In the long run it doesn't really make a difference if they can marry or not, I just have my own personal beliefs on the issue.

I don't believe that it's possible for people of the same sex to legitimately fall "in love". Sure, they can love each other, but I honestly just don't believe you can feel as extensively for someone of the same sex.

And no, I'm not close-minded as it doesn't bother me when it's legalized. However, I do think the terms and benefits should change. To me it's not really a rights issue.

Also, I find it completely ridiculous that while I was growing up, being gay wasn't accepted. Now that it kind of is, it's like every other person you run into is gay. It's like a fad, it's so annoying.

That's wonderful logic, sir. You don't believe it possible? Wow, I bet you have a scientific observation. I bet you have studies that show that homosexuals simply don't have love in their hearts. As someone mentioned above, maybe you don't understand because you are not gay [and pretty darn apathetic to those you cannot identify with]?

And wow, your logic just blooms in your last statement. A "fad"? Yes, I'm sure that they care that you find it annoying. And I'm sure that you're not close-minded. It may be a biological status for a person, but it sure is annoying. Man, all those damn tall people, it's just a fad. How annoying.

Maybe it seems that way because people back then were really annoyed that people were gay, so gay people stayed in the closet? Way to show your open-mindedness by calling homosexuality annoying.

I am strongly opposed to same-sex marriage, because, as threshhold pointed out, the modern marriage was established by the the early Church as a "Holy Union between a Man & Woman", if they want to become legal partners thats fine, but a nearly 2000 year old religion shouldn't be asked to change their ideals for anything, let alone this! I am a Christian, and I do not believe homosexuals go to Heaven, I do believe that being gay is a choice(in fact I know it is), but I do NOT believe they should be oppressed. A homosexual should have the same rights as everyone else, but they should be legally partnered, not married!

It was? So the church paid for my friend's cort wedding, which had absolutely no reference to religion in any capacity? I think you're confusing modern marriage and religious marriage. Religious marriage is its OWN thing. It is legally binding, but it is NOT of greater importance than any other legal marriage. A Christian marriage and a courtroom marriage are equal, yet Christianity has no hand in the courtroom marriage.

And wonderful, you too seem to have some amazing breakthrough to explain to us why homosexuality is something that hipsters picked up when they got bored, as opposed to being biological, something with significant evidence that routinely supports it. Hell, where does it say in the Bible that it is not a choice? Perhaps God challenged people with homosexuality in order to test their mettle? If they didn't succumb to the so-called sin, then they got a first-class trip into Heaven.

Seriously, comments like this sicken me. You want them to have equal rights, but you want a special name for your rights so you don't have to associate with the gays. Nice. That's kind of like a liberal in the 30's - "black power [but I hope my sister doesn't marry one of them]!"

tldr

Homosexuality is biological
Marriage is not a Christian concept, nor is modern marriage
Comments in promotion of equal rights for homosexuals mean nothing when they just mask your hatred
The stupidest thing ever is that homosexuals don't know how to love. Seriously.

[POWRDUPshawn]

What the Hell kind of epic stupidity is this? You probably have a lot of stuff that I would tell you to shut your mouth about that you'd piss and moan about how you have rights. And way to bring up something that pretty much anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence believes to be one of the biggest acts of discrimination in the military.

Seriously, posts like this, their only purpose is to tell me "who here is an idiot?".

honestly? you're only trying to prove yourself an idiot, okay? they were just trying to state their opinion, and you just go ahead and shove it back in their face. and what do you mean by "posts like this"? do you mean to say that you have seen another post almost exactly like that one? did you respond to it the same way? or ignore it/ in which case, why didn't you ignore that one too?
ah, whatever. i'm just going to simply say the old phrase: "if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all."

I don't have anything nice to say to bigots who perpetuate fear of homosexuals and in homosexuals.

I'm against it.

It's not so much that I care, as I'm not religious. In the long run it doesn't really make a difference if they can marry or not, I just have my own personal beliefs on the issue.

I don't believe that it's possible for people of the same sex to legitimately fall "in love". Sure, they can love each other, but I honestly just don't believe you can feel as extensively for someone of the same sex.

And no, I'm not close-minded as it doesn't bother me when it's legalized. However, I do think the terms and benefits should change. To me it's not really a rights issue.

Also, I find it completely ridiculous that while I was growing up, being gay wasn't accepted. Now that it kind of is, it's like every other person you run into is gay. It's like a fad, it's so annoying.

That's wonderful logic, sir. You don't believe it possible? Wow, I bet you have a scientific observation. I bet you have studies that show that homosexuals simply don't have love in their hearts. As someone mentioned above, maybe you don't understand because you are not gay [and pretty darn apathetic to those you cannot identify with]?

And wow, your logic just blooms in your last statement. A "fad"? Yes, I'm sure that they care that you find it annoying. And I'm sure that you're not close-minded. It may be a biological status for a person, but it sure is annoying. Man, all those damn tall people, it's just a fad. How annoying.

Maybe it seems that way because people back then were really annoyed that people were gay, so gay people stayed in the closet? Way to show your open-mindedness by calling homosexuality annoying.

I am strongly opposed to same-sex marriage, because, as threshhold pointed out, the modern marriage was established by the the early Church as a "Holy Union between a Man & Woman", if they want to become legal partners thats fine, but a nearly 2000 year old religion shouldn't be asked to change their ideals for anything, let alone this! I am a Christian, and I do not believe homosexuals go to Heaven, I do believe that being gay is a choice(in fact I know it is), but I do NOT believe they should be oppressed. A homosexual should have the same rights as everyone else, but they should be legally partnered, not married!

It was? So the church paid for my friend's cort wedding, which had absolutely no reference to religion in any capacity? I think you're confusing modern marriage and religious marriage. Religious marriage is its OWN thing. It is legally binding, but it is NOT of greater importance than any other legal marriage. A Christian marriage and a courtroom marriage are equal, yet Christianity has no hand in the courtroom marriage.

And wonderful, you too seem to have some amazing breakthrough to explain to us why homosexuality is something that hipsters picked up when they got bored, as opposed to being biological, something with significant evidence that routinely supports it. Hell, where does it say in the Bible that it is not a choice? Perhaps God challenged people with homosexuality in order to test their mettle? If they didn't succumb to the so-called sin, then they got a first-class trip into Heaven.

Seriously, comments like this sicken me. You want them to have equal rights, but you want a special name for your rights so you don't have to associate with the gays. Nice. That's kind of like a liberal in the 30's - "black power [but I hope my sister doesn't marry one of them]!"

tldr

Homosexuality is biological
Marriage is not a Christian concept, nor is modern marriage
Comments in promotion of equal rights for homosexuals mean nothing when they just mask your hatred
The stupidest thing ever is that homosexuals don't know how to love. Seriously.

And one of the gay kids gets offended.

I never said they didn't know how to love. I said I personally didn't feel like they could love in the same way that a man and woman could. That's not saying they don't have love in their hearts. This is a perfect example of why gay people are annoying, you have to twist every thing that's said about you to be worse than it really is. Your rights really aren't much worse off than ours, but maybe actions like this are why they should be. If you aren't gay, well, I'd be surprised.

I have no hatred for gay people. I have gay friends. Actually, when I was living in New York, of of my main hangouts had a gay person living there with gay friends all around! Image how uncomfortable I was! Get real. I have no hatred for them whatsoever. I just prefer when they don't all act the same way and follow stereotypes, which unfortunately 99% of them do. I prefer when people can be their own person, regardless of straight or gay... and this is what I meant by the fad part. Gay people apparently have a standard they feel the need to go by, where they have to change the way they talk, dress, and act JUST to be gay. It IS annoying.

Stop with the raging, it's called a debate for a reason.

Just for fun, I would like to hear what the point of life is from your perspective. Do you not believe that creating new life is part of the life process? and how do you feel about the fact that, you know, gay people can't do that? This isn't saying what I believe, I'd just like to see your explanation for it.

[mariomaniac45213]

There is a LOT of bias coming from this thread. (^^) I'm not gay (off the record). This is really a hot topic probably the most controversial yet. (some of these people in here are downright hilarious by how stupid they are and others are genuine funny)

[Chosenoneknuckles]

I'm gay and I support same-sex marriages [okay, 'civil unions' as they're called at least here in the UK].

Very glad I didn't grow up in the US [or the Middle East]!

[New Age Retro Hippie]

And one of the gay kids gets offended.

I never said they didn't know how to love. I said I personally didn't feel like they could love in the same way that a man and woman could. That's not saying they don't have love in their hearts. This is a perfect example of why gay people are annoying, you have to twist every thing that's said about you to be worse than it really is. Your rights really aren't much worse off than ours, but maybe actions like this are why they should be. If you aren't gay, well, I'd be surprised.

I have no hatred for gay people. I have gay friends. Actually, when I was living in New York, of of my main hangouts had a gay person living there with gay friends all around! Image how uncomfortable I was! Get real. I have no hatred for them whatsoever. I just prefer when they don't all act the same way and follow stereotypes, which unfortunately 99% of them do. I prefer when people can be their own person, regardless of straight or gay... and this is what I meant by the fad part. Gay people apparently have a standard they feel the need to go by, where they have to change the way they talk, dress, and act JUST to be gay. It IS annoying.

Stop with the raging, it's called a debate for a reason.

Just for fun, I would like to hear what the point of life is from your perspective. Do you not believe that creating new life is part of the life process? and how do you feel about the fact that, you know, gay people can't do that? This isn't saying what I believe, I'd just like to see your explanation for it.

Well, let's go through the list of reasons why you are a gigantic moron.

1. I'm not gay. And the fact that you would think for a single moment that being gay would affect the validity of my post establishes, immediately shows that you are a gigantic moron. And I like how you said "gay kid". As if anyone who would ever be gay can be condescending to as being a kid. Yeah, you clearly don't hate gay people, nor do you ever think that you're superior!

2. And, yeah, pretty much no one cares that a straight man does not understand gay people. Shock! So what's special about the way that a man and a woman love? Oh, that's right - because Loveless Couple can conceive life, they're truly in love, right-o? And I find that funny. Let's flip this to a thread about black people. Logically, you'd accuse me of being black for defending black people. Right? And what if I was gay? Would that matter? It neither affects the validity of my post nor does it make your argument any stronger.

3. Unfortunately, the world does not stop and say "oh shovel, this guy finds us annoying. Better totally change our personalities so that he isn't bothered by all the gays." People don't wake up one day and say "well, I think I'm going to be a negative gay stereotype." Like it or not, people act like that because they ARE like that. Trust me, being an ass is far more annoying than being a flaming homosexual, so make sure you watch what you say before you find out how many people are sick of you.

4. Wow, you have gay friends. And I'm sure in this situation, the line "I have _____ friends" isn't used to divert suspicion that you're an ignorant sexualist. Because I don't totally see racists talking about "I have black friends, man! I love to hang around them as long as they aren't picking cotton or eating fried chicken." But hey, maybe you do think that in spite of your obvious hatred for them, you tolerate them just fine. Maybe you're ignorant to the fact that you have a homophobia. You clearly don't understand homosexuality at all. They don't go around and act all fruity just for a laugh, it is, simply-put, the way they act. But God forbid that your assessment of other human beings be wrong, eh?

5. Yeah, because that'd be an acceptable response "it's a debate, stop raging", if this were about interracial marriage. Of course, you wouldn't dare be so discriminatory in that thread - though I bet you have plenty of black friends [that you hope don't get in with your sister].

6. Uh, duh? Of course one of our most primal desires is to mate and continue our legacy, keeping the human race alive. And? Are you trying to imply that homosexuals are a defect, or they are bad people because they don't follow the norm? Do you apply the same logic to some guy sitting in his Mom's basement and never consummating? Or does that hit too close to home?

tldr

You're dumb.

[Zidane]

I think growing up gay anywhere where religion controls a lot of people (U.S., Middle East, different latin nations, etc.) would suck. It's too bad religious institutions halt humane progress all over the world.

[Chosenoneknuckles]

I think growing up gay anywhere where religion controls a lot of people (U.S., Middle East, different latin nations, etc.) would suck. It's too bad religious institutions halt humane progress all over the world.

Definitely.

But it's the reason they're have such power and sway over the rest of the world, so they'll never separate the church from the state. Not fully.

I mean, yes, humanity isn't on Pangea [the one super continent] anymore, and it'd be a large stretch to have a world government / laws anytime in the next hundred years or so [yet alone plan how to set-up the voting for thus, and to keep it all legit], but we've gotta all remember [more often] that we're all one big family really and that, in the end, is all we'll have on the last day of humanity [whenever that may be, be it by our own hand or a rogue comet from space].

Not money. Not power. Not looks. Not the biggest abode or TV in the world. etc. Just other kindred spirits on this ship of life.

I wouldn't want to leave any family member of mine out in the cold [be that a single person, or a whole country of people] if I knew they didn't have to be - would you?

I'd want them to have the choice to gain experience, develop and redeem themselves [or not] along with me and everyone else. Period.