rawkergirl wrote:I don't really have a lot to say on this topic, but I was invited here and I am female so I feel I should say something.
The whole argument of sexism annoys me greatly simply because it turns into man vs. woman instead of being about equality (as it should be). For example, feminists want women to be equal to men. Sounds good right? Right. Here's the problem, most "feminists" simply change the attack from woman to men and get all upset over non-important issues instead of focusing on the big picture. For example, I know of feminists that get upset and the term "mankind" - instead believing that we should use the term "humankind." Is that really an issue worth fighting over? Technically, that comes down to a matter of proper grammar over anything else (fyi, when speaking about a large group of people whose gender is unknown or mixed, it is grammatically correct to use the male word). Do I get their overall point? Yes. The problem is that it makes the whole feminist movement seem extremely petty and silly to be quite honest. Honestly, there are bigger issues than grammatic rules. How about checking out the whole "women make less money working the same job as a man" thing. (fyi, I believe the paycheck of any individule should be based upon their work performance and nothing else - ie: don't just give a woman more money because "it's the proper thing to do," do it because of their work [same goes for a man])
Also, too many feminists I meet don't want women to be equal to men, they want women to be higher or better than men. That's not right either. Sexism can go either way.
Now, bringing it into gaming. Have I encountered sexism due to gaming? Yes. I don't play online often (no major reason, I'm just more into single-player experiences), but I have encountered various types of sexism online. There are those who simply refuse to play with females because they think we cannot play well. There are those who will play with females, but berate and mock them throughout the entire gaming session. Of course, there is also the "Omg, a girl that plays games. Wanna video chat?" reaction (not really sexism, but equally annoying).
HOWEVER, the majority of gamers are getting over this mindset (if it was ever really there in the majority to begin with - something I wonder about). Best example I have: I am currently in a Game Design course at my college. I am the only girl in the class, but I am not treated any differently and all the guys speak to me normally.
I guess my main point is this: the cure to sexism is thinking about people equally. People are different. The genders are different. I don't deny that fact. However, I think it is important that we don't think less or more about people due to their gender, ethnicity, or whatever. People are people, no matter what.
Heh, guess I had more to say than I originally thought.
Nintend()\/\/|\|312 wrote:I posed a lot of questions in my previous post and, after a lot of thought, I think I can answer a couple of them.
One of the things I was wondering about was whether or not stereotypes are sexist. Now I can finally say with some confidence that my answer is a definite "not necessarily". It really comes down to the person's motivation behind using a stereotype that determines whether that person is being discriminatory or not.
For example, using stereotypes for comedic purposes is generally not an act of discrimination. People find ridiculous semi-truths in all their forms to be quite hilarious. Shows like "The Simpsons" are based off of making fun of stereotypes. The people who write for the show, and hopefully all those that watch it, know that the stereotypes they use are ridiculous and are not supposed to be taken seriously or as being remotely truthful.
This helps answer one of my questions which was why I was alright with Peach following female stereotypes yet not Samus. I think it is because the Super Mario series isn't one to be taken seriously and Nintendo knows that. Peach is a ridiculously useless princess stereotype in the same way that Mario is a ridiculously over-the-top Italian stereotype. Using a recent example, it was evident in SMG2's writing that Nintendo was making fun of how ridiculous everything in the Mario universe was. However, since the Metroid universe is taken a little more seriously, one has cause to be a little suspicious when stereotypes start popping up.
So, is Samus' portrayal in M:OM sexist or not? My answer is: I don't know. I think the only people that could answer that would be the people who developed the game.
One of the reasons why I think people, myself included, were prematurely labeling the game as sexist is because our own versions of Samus were not consistent with the version presented in the game. I think a lot of people viewed Samus as kind of a female version of Boba Fett. We were expecting her to be a little more confident, a little less emotionally damaged and for her to maybe be a little more snarky about taking orders from Adam. (Something along the lines of a "He's no good to me dead." kind of remark or two.) Now, I'm not saying that the way Samus was portrayed in the game is necessarily a bad thing. A lot of people like Samus acting this way, including the game designers, even though many others, including myself, do not. So, when noticing that the Samus in M:OM was weaker than how we perceived her, our immediate knee-jerk reaction was to claim that the developers were being sexist. However, this accusation was unwarranted because we really didn't know what was going through the developers minds when they were creating M:OM's Samus.
Now, if they thought that having an emotional, unconfident Samus would make her easier to sympathize with, then the developers weren't being sexist. I personally think that this was probably the case. They probably thought that people would be intimidated by Samus' character if she was portrayed as a stoic, battle-hardened woman that would shoot you in the face as soon as look at you.
However, if they chose to make Samus so squishy because she is a woman and all women are emotionally unstable, lacking of confidence and need a man to order them around, telling them what to do, then they were being sexist. I haven't played through the entire game yet but so far I've found little proof that this wasn't what they were thinking. However, I also haven't found any proof that this was what they were thinking and that is why I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
StAwesome wrote:holy crap, i freaking love you. THIS is what im talking about. i wanted you in the thread because i wanted, no matter the persuasion, an opinion coming from a female, and here not only did we get one, but we got one that totally kicks ass.
rawkergirl wrote:I've heard some people complain about Adam calling her "lady" or Anthony calling her "princess." I don't understand this complaint either. It's just a nickname. I have a close friend that I consistently call "dork." Am I actually insulting him? Not really. It's just a joke. A joke he understands and doesn't get offended by. That's the kind of vibe I get from Adam calling Samus "lady", etc.
SEGAsbest wrote:mariomaniac45213 wrote:Bayonetta
Bayonetta is not sexist, she is quite a badass in the game and kicks a ton of demon ass. Something I do not like is "sexy" game characters being lumped into sexism (the belief that one gender is inferior to the other). Men like the female figure, it isn't sexist, it's realism and it will never change so trying to act like it will is just foolishness.
I personally like sexy female characters (Bayonetta being a prime example), I may prefer games with female leads based off of this in fact. I don't really see an issue with it, I often pick Eileen in Virtua Fighter because I think she is a pretty character and before anybody inquiries, yes I do have a girlfriend and I am not a 30 year old man who lives at his mother's.
I am a nineteen year old man who lives at his mother's, that's an 11 year difference.
rawkergirl wrote:Maybe, but we don't know any backstory regarding the Galatic Federation. For all we know, females may have their own section of the GF and Samus was just the odd one out because she was a part of Adam's group (instead of being a part of the female division). There really wasn't enough information given to truly say if it was sexism or just a plot hole.
Other than that one area, I didn't really see sexism anywhere. Samus obeyed Adam's orders because she agreed to cooperate with his team on this mission. With him being the leader, it only makes sense that she would submit to his orders. If she hadn't, people would've complained about her trying to hard to be a rebel. Either way, she loses. I've heard some people complain about Adam calling her "lady" or Anthony calling her "princess." I don't understand this complaint either. It's just a nickname. I have a close friend that I consistently call "dork." Am I actually insulting him? Not really. It's just a joke. A joke he understands and doesn't get offended by. That's the kind of vibe I get from Adam calling Samus "lady", etc.
Nintend()\/\/|\|312 wrote:However, what struck me as strange was that instead of Samus handling Adam calling her a "lady" with a mix of apathy and resentment, she said that she was flattered that Adam called her "something as delicate as a lady." I think it was the fact that Samus liked the idea of being "delicate" is what really put people off. Nothing shatters a person's bad-ass image faster than him/her enjoying the prospect of being "delicate".
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