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Wii U - Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 14 Apr 2011 17:21

To Whom it may concern:

Re: Wii's Successor System

Nintendo Co., LTD. has decided to launch in 2012 a system to succeed Wii, which the company has sold 86.01 million units on a consolidated shipment basis between its' launch in 2006 and the end of March 2011.

We will show a playable model of the new system and announce more significations at the E3 Expo, which will be held June 7-9 2011, in Los Angeles.

Sales of this new system have not been included in the financial forecasts announced today for the fiscal term ending March 2012.


Expected Release: July-December 2012
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Mako » 14 Apr 2011 22:44

-Will be called Wii HD.
-Graphics better than PS3; 1080p resolution.
-Traditional controller somewhat similar to GC controller.
-Fully backwards compatible with Wii and GC games.
-New games can chose to use wiimote/ nunchuck if need be and Nintendo will still produce these. (That way we still have motion controls)
-One short friend code per system, similar to 3DS
-eShop like on 3DS
-Uses blu ray discs.
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 14 Apr 2011 23:07

As much as I love my Wavebird (it's awesome), I think I'd prefer the controller for the next system to be more like the Classic Controller Pro. At least as far as button layout goes. I never minded the the GC button layout like some people did. But I'd rather have the SNES type setup. Although....maybe a marriage of two, because I must say I do prefer the placement of of the analog on the GC controller over the Classic, but I prefer the button layout (and type of shoulder buttons), over the GC. Then again, I'd also prefer it to have trigger buttons on the underside of the controller handles, instead of the awkward spot they put the "Z" button on the CC. Hey, it's a work in progress, lol. But I agree, they should keep the Wiimote concept as well.

Naturally, it's going to be HD.

I still don't know if it'll use BluRay discs, but I guess considering the space on 'em, it would be nice if it did.

I would imagine that this time the console will likely have a lot more onboard memory. I honestly don't mind using my 16gig SD card (which I've still barely filled up), but it would be more convenient to just have it on the system itself.

I also imagine they will continually be improving their online (though I am not one of the folks who thinks Wii has "terrible" online, it doesn't, it functions for most games). I do think they should just have one system code, that's it. The idea of separate codes for separate games is overkill.

I would really really really LOVE for them to have both Wii and GC backward compatibility, and keep the basic Wii type of design, at least so far as the GC controller and card ports and things goes. I mean, I DO still have my Wii, but it would be nice.

I also would really like to see them keep at least an upgraded version of the Wii Channel interface, as it's simple, and really easy to use.

As long as they don't try some crazy Kinect type full body motion controls, or make me do something else silly as hell while I'm playing a game, and DON'T force "3D" on me, I'm good. And it would be nice if it didn't cost an arm and a leg.


PS I really don't think they're gonna call it the "Wii 2" or "Wii HD".
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Eternal Rain » 14 Apr 2011 23:15

-Full HD support (up to 1080p)
-Comes with a controller that can be used for both motion controls and traditional controls. That, or two separate controllers, and developers can choose which one to use (or use both, giving players the option).
-Upgrades from DVD discs to Blu-ray (so this way it won't be just Nintendo getting the privilege of using a disc with a larger memory capacity [pretty much all of the Wii's dual layered games are Nintendo games])
-Graphical capabilities will on par with the PS3 at the least, and slightly better at best (at the very least, it should be able to support engines like id Tech 5, Unreal Engine 3, and Cry Engine 3)
-Can transfer your 3DS friend list to the home console if your friends own the system as well (this one's a long shot, but it'd be nice)
-Sticks to the "one code per system" thing the 3DS already has
-Backwards compatible with Wii games
-Can transfer Wiiware and VC games out of the box
-Uses the eShop system, with all of the Wii's current downloadable library being available from day 1
-Gamecube titles added to VC
-File size limit removed, allowing for much larger downloadable games
-System's internal memory is much larger, maybe on par with the amount of memory in the slim model Xbox 360 (basically it's got the hard drive built in)
-Upgraded online service that includes Xbox Live-like features
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Wii Successor

Postby vinniebrock » 15 Apr 2011 00:01

EDIT: my bad :) here's a wishlist, even tho the rumors already make it sound like a dream console of sorts...

i could see the rumors of the next console's power being true, so... For me, content MUST be 1st on the agenda, it's how Nintendo gained their reputation and they clearly got away from that (a bit) with the Wii. We know the 1st party stuff will be there (Mario Kart & SMG in 1080? :!: ). I want equal or greater versions of 3rd party stuff that's on all platforms, as well as exclusives.

After content, i'll say (prioritized):

-decent HDD
-720 & 1080p support
-Smash Bros.
-2 gb of RAM
-better online interface,infrastructure; maybe a "gamertag" system
-GC games on the VC
-main control is Classic Pro-ish with motion being optional, à la PS Move...
-ethernet AND wi-fi
-headsets, wireless & USB

i'll edit this post as i think of more things... i'm trying not to get too hyped for something that's not even confirmed yet.... but the possibilities and rumors are making it hard.
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby KingBroly » 15 Apr 2011 00:23

- Will be slightly more powerful than PS3/360
- Supports single layer BR discs
- No movie support
- Has 1-2gb of ram
- Has 60gb HDD, can be replaced

- Will be backwards compatible with Wii games, not Cube games
- Wireless sensor bar
- New type of controller

- Wii downloads will be transferrable
- Some VC games get cheaper, GC games come to Shop Channel
- One Friend Code
- Friend Codes (yours and friends) from 3DS can be transferred to it
- Message friends to/from your 3DS
- Interface will be an evolution from Wii, but always on
- Will support USB headsets (wired/wireless)

- Will launch in fall 2011
- Launch game from Nintendo will be Metroid
- $299.99
- Third party launch games include: Arkham City, Elder Scrolls V, Modern Warfare 3, AC3, and Marvel Vs Capcom 3.
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Mako » 15 Apr 2011 01:46

KingBroly wrote:...Will launch in fall 2011...


As much as I would like that to happen. Nintendo can still drop the price pretty low on the Wii to increase sales, and I believe they would like one more holiday season of low priced Wii sales. Sort of like they did with the 3DS, they will wait until a bit after the holiday season so that they can build up enough supply and get ready to have a huge holiday season with the next console. (You can guess whatever you want though. :P)
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 15 Apr 2011 02:24

Not only do I not think that will be the case, as I've reiterated in other threads, I don't want it to be. There's still plenty of games I'd like to see/play on the Wii, thanks. Late 2012 sits just fine with me.
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Re: Your Guesses for Nintendo's Next Console

Postby thresholdXCI » 16 Apr 2011 14:29

HD 1080p; 3D support
Better graphics than PS3/360 (but probably worse than PS4/ Xbox 3)
Unified online (but with a system code as opposed to custom ID/ gamertag)
Solid-state memory
No Blu-Ray (they'll use a proprietary disc format again)
Various communication features with 3DS

No idea what its defining gimmick will be (touch screen, motion, 3D etc). But there will be one.

Launch in Autumn 2012.
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Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby Barto » 16 Apr 2011 20:32

First off, I've looked and couldn't find a thread dedicated to (or even mentioning) the explosion of "leaks" and rumors concerning the Wii's successor...so if there is, feel free to delete or move this post

That said

The whole reason I came here was becuase I just finished watching the latest episode of Extra Credits. (here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/ ... ew-Coin-Op)

After all the rumors about Nintendo's new controller having a touch screen where you can stream games, video and other content to...I found the theme of this week's episode to be really ironic and I sugjest you check it out...It sheds some light onto what Nintendo might have in store for us if these rumors turn out to be true.


As for my thoughts concerning the past couple days...

I'm remaining cautiously optimistic...I haven't seen an explosion of "leaks" like this in possibly forever.
Some rumors seem more true than others while others conflict with eachother. I trust Nintendo knows what they're doing. However...if this console really will be "slightly" stronger than the 360...Nintendo will no doubt be lagginf behind their competition in terms of power, therefore losing out on third party (mostly western) support for another generation.

Either way this is all VERY exciting. I love this time of year. :D
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Re: Project Cafe -Rumors and Speculation

Postby motherbra1n » 16 Apr 2011 21:36

if it has friendcodes in any way shape or form i might consider not buying it, because thats just being downright lazy and/or stubborn. They know exactly how much everyone hates friendcodes and to put them in again would be really arrogant.

People keep crying for nintendo to make new franchises otherwise they wont buy their new console, as if sony and microsoft have really made a lot of new franchises this gen. Id like to see at least one new ip from nintendo (not pandoras tower that looks incredibly boring) and a few sequels to their franchises and they just really need to get third parties on their side, because thats exactly where the wii failed. I should NEVER (apart from shovelware) see out for PS4, Xbox720 and PC. I got sick of seeing that this gen.

They also need to stop being such nazis with their online. For 3+ and 12+ games they can nazi all they want but for 12+ games i should be able to communicate with everyone that i meet online with ease, and no stupid strings attached like in monster hunter tri where to hear people through wiispeak, you had to have wii speak and so did the person you want to hear and then you have to send that person a friend request and then they accept it and then they have to send you a friend request after they have accepted your one. who the hell is gonna work that out? Its like nintendo were doing everything they could to block communications between players.

There needs to be a headset available for the console at launch.

Needs a hard drive for obvious reasons and really should have a DVD player.

In terms of power I really hope nintendo somehow foresaw how strong the ps4 and xbox 720 will be and tried their best to match it, so we dont miss out on so many multiplatform games.

They need to be careful about alienating their consumers at such an early point in the consoles life span. If they start putting out adverts for wii2 sports or just dance 3 in the first year or 2 of the consoles life then it will alienate consumers and third party developers like rockstar wouldnt be so keen on making games for it unless its a "casual" game.
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Re: Project Cafe -Rumors and Speculation

Postby Devil_Rising » 17 Apr 2011 00:42

Hate to break it to you, but Xbox3, and MOST especially PS4, are not going to be happening for quite some time. They're set, as they already released overpowered systems, especially PS3, to begin with.

So I wouldn't worry about that if I were you.
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Project Cafe Specs: A logical conclusion.

Postby Syferz » 17 Apr 2011 06:02

First off, all the reports of an IBM processor with R700 ati graphics is a guess made by a french site and passed off by IGN and everyone else as FACT, the site net01 was what CVG sited as fact but the actual quotes were guesses, and now I'll base my speculation on a few facts we do know.

1. AMD last year leaked that they were working on a CPU for a console that would be released fall 2012, they would not confirm which console that is, but Microsoft just started hiring for a new hardware team, so Xbox(3) will not come to retail for atleast 2 more years and will miss this window entirely, PS4 is likely futher out, so lets safely assume it is the next Nintendo console, Project Cafe will likely have an AMD CPU and GPU as Nintendo has stuck with art-x/ati/amd for the past 2 generations.

2. Nintendo will try to save money and look for the most efficent hardware, thus Project Cafe is going to run an APU still in developement looking to release fall of next year by AMD.

3. AMD's upcoming release schedule: http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/amd-trinity-krishna-wichita-and-komodo-specs-and-release-date-on-2012/
These three things point to AMD's Trinity APU coming out fall of next year, the time frame is right and AMD has all but confirmed that they will be building the CPU and we know they are likely to be the GPU as well.

What sort of power can we expect?: Trinity is part of Llano's next gen hardware, which means it should meet or exceed Llano's CPU power and Graphics that are currently faster then an Intel i7 as gathered from AMD's announcement video easily found on youtube.)

Specs of the Trinity APU:
Processor size: 32nm
CPU: Bulldozer 2 or 4 core
GPU: 6790 @400SP (Which is the successor to the 5830, this is a specially designed chip to fit on the 32nm processor as the current 6000 series is designed on 40nm, the gpu will likely be a 7000 series varient of this same card because of it's 28nm design, so a 7770 that simply doesn't exist yet.)
Ram: 1GB GDDR5 and atleast (probably more but safe to assume for backwards compatiblity) 88mb t1 speed ram for entire system.
Storage: 16GB flash storage with SD card slot. (This would be for DLC and VC, disc games will not be installed to it. This is also an optimistic assetment.)

What this means: This is not a super high powered machine, to be perfectly honest the R700 guess is valid with this speculation as even though the generation is wrong, the performance will only slightly increase from this, though it will be DX11 and offer a lot of neat tricks like Tessilazation.

This is a closed system, which means it will look light years ahead of 360/ps3 and thats because spec wise, the gpu really is far more advanced then those systems, if you ran windows7 on a 360 and installed mass effect, you wouldn't be able to play it, same with a ps3, the systems are powerful because they are not having to run a huge boggled down OS in the background.

VS a 2014 parts? (the PS4/Xbox3): GPU reviewers have been coming to the same conclusion for a long time now, 1080p can only give a GPU so much taxing, if you look at thermals and wattage requirements, the difference between all 3 systems will fit inside Gamecube vs Wii as far as graphics.

Wii2 should be able to play BF3 PC version @ 60fps @ 1080p without lag thanks to not having an OS in the background. Same with Crysis and the next elder Scrolls, which means it should be able to get those multi titled games that the wii missed out on this generation.
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Re: Project Cafe Specs: A logical conclusion.

Postby KingBroly » 17 Apr 2011 07:46

We don't need 2 threads for this. Merged
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby FatFace83 » 17 Apr 2011 11:25

"Project Café" is a strange name, I wonder if this has any kind of reference to the whole Street Pass function on the 3DS? Some kind of social network that Nintendo will be creating on it's console, kind of like Nintendo's Facebook.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby TYFIGHTER » 17 Apr 2011 14:36

Im extremely cautious to believe any of these rumors. I have no doubt Nintendo is making a new system, I just dont think we should be believing all of these leaked "facts"... A touch screen controller for a home console sounds cool though. But I'll just wait for E3 before I board the hype train.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby KingBroly » 17 Apr 2011 19:55

Nintendo needs the system to be quite a bit more powerful than PS3/360. Because I really see Microsoft and Sony forcing a new generation once Nintendo's new console comes out so the same situation happens again, where 3rd parties jump ship with them and abandon Nintendo.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby Ragnarokstorymaker » 17 Apr 2011 20:55

-New Smash Bros
-1080p
-HDMI support
-An accessible, reliable, online connectivity function
-An online community (well, thats more in our hands)
-No FC's
-Third Party support (not in Nintendo's hands, I know)
-A hit, AAA game within each genre of video games, not just platformers
-A hard drive
-Call of Duty (lolwut?)
-Pandora's Tower 2 (I really like the look of the first game, looks like fun)
-New Smash Bros
-Voice chat for every online game
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Better menu (Wii channels are OK, but, it feels lacking)
-Cross-party chat
-Lots and lots of Mii's
-If Nintendo DOES in fact decide to keep the Wii menu, with the channels and all. They need to implement channels that actually have some use.
-A reward system (i.e Trophies) maybe call them Badges? I don't know, but they add replayability for most people.
-New Smash Bros.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 17 Apr 2011 21:39

KingBroly wrote:Nintendo needs the system to be quite a bit more powerful than PS3/360. Because I really see Microsoft and Sony forcing a new generation once Nintendo's new console comes out so the same situation happens again, where 3rd parties jump ship with them and abandon Nintendo.



As I've said myself many, many times on here in the past, that's 3rd parties problem. They have no issue downporting games to DS, or PSP, or even iPhone. But they do have a problem (some of them anyway), doing so with Wii, where it would be LESS of a downport.

I really don't think Sony's next console, especially, is happening any time soon. The PS3 was so ridiculously overpowered when it launched back in 2006 anyway, that they really don't NEED new hardware anytime soon. I could see M$ putting out a new system, but again, not for another couple years probably.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby Gulshog » 17 Apr 2011 21:47

What I believe from neogaf
It will be a three core cpu
It will have a fast gpu
It will probably have 1gb max ram, but it will be fast like the ram in the 3ds
Initially games will be 360 level, but I believe the machine will be capable of much more, but not able to match whatever sony and microsoft put out next.
Pikmin 3, Wave Race, and Smash Bros at release or soon after
Wii bc, GC games on VC
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby KingBroly » 17 Apr 2011 21:53

It sounds like the tech in this console is in the 2007-2008 range. A new console from M$/Sorny that could potentially come out in 2013-14 would have 2012 level tech in it. So in that sense it'd still be 5-6 years behind the tech curve IF they put out new consoles then, which I doubt they will.

What I want:
- 1gb of ram
- Ability to swap in your own HDD's
- Ability to move your VC/WW games to it
- An Online Shop Profile to tie everything to a Tag and not a Console
- 1 Friend Code per Console
- Ability to play DVD's on it (even though Streaming is taking over)
- 720p games/1080p movies (stream or on disc)
- BC Wii games, that are upscaled/AA added
- HDMI port
- Ability to move Locked Wii game saves over to it that will now be unlocked to a console
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby motherbra1n » 17 Apr 2011 21:58

Devil_Rising wrote:
KingBroly wrote:Nintendo needs the system to be quite a bit more powerful than PS3/360. Because I really see Microsoft and Sony forcing a new generation once Nintendo's new console comes out so the same situation happens again, where 3rd parties jump ship with them and abandon Nintendo.



As I've said myself many, many times on here in the past, that's 3rd parties problem. They have no issue downporting games to DS, or PSP, or even iPhone. But they do have a problem (some of them anyway), doing so with Wii, where it would be LESS of a downport.

I really don't think Sony's next console, especially, is happening any time soon. The PS3 was so ridiculously overpowered when it launched back in 2006 anyway, that they really don't NEED new hardware anytime soon. I could see M$ putting out a new system, but again, not for another couple years probably.

I know its ridiculous, tekken 6 on the psp but not the wii is just a big slap in the face, same with street fighter 4 and dead space on the iphone/ipod.

I often wonder, has any game used the ps3s full graphical capabilities yet? I think they have with the wii with metroid prime 3 and silent hill shattered memories, seriously the character models in silent hill make you think its a 360 game.
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby Devil_Rising » 18 Apr 2011 03:15

Dragmire wrote:I know its ridiculous, tekken 6 on the psp but not the wii is just a big slap in the face, same with street fighter 4 and dead space on the iphone/ipod.

I often wonder, has any game used the ps3s full graphical capabilities yet? I think they have with the wii with metroid prime 3 and silent hill shattered memories, seriously the character models in silent hill make you think its a 360 game.



They also put Soul Caliber IV on PSP, after saying it "can't" be done on Wii. Nothing new there. I think that "can't" BS was disproven the first time Activision got off their lazy asses and proved that, hey, you CAN put new CoD games on Wii, and pull it off decently, if you try. I look at Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, and then SSFIV, and think to myself "gee, that looks SO much better". Not. I actually prefer the TvC artstyle, even though SFIV is ultimately more fun (just because there's more characters I know and like).

But regardless, I think that it's always been a case of 3rd parties being lazy, not wanting to spend the money, etc. Games like The Force Unleashed and Ghostbusters, and even the CoD games, have sold pretty damn well, even though they were done on "inferior tech". There are some games that I know, yeah, duh, they're just not gonna be done with Wii's power. But there's also a lot of games that I know could, like RE5, or GTA4, or MvC3. That doesn't mean every game HAS to be brought to Wii, only that most of the reasons for these companies not to, are disingenuous. Plus, as I've stated many times before, I think if they actually bothered to put more of these "big name" games on Wii, instead of sticking small, nameless crap on it, they would sell a lot better on name recognition alone. TvC sold really respectably, considering most Americans have NO idea who or what Tatsunoko is. But if they have a game called "Street Fighter" anything on Wii, it WOULD have sold a lot better, just because people would go "Oh HEY, Street Fighter, I know that!".

As for your PS3 question, I think the answer is, no, not really. Supposedly Metal Gear Solid 4 really pushed the hardware, but I don't think very many games at all have really tried to tap it's full potential, mainly because most games on it are also on 360, and the developers generally develop "down" for the 360. I think The Last Guardian might give us a better glimpse at the PS3's power, but even then. And that's to say nothing for...how many games on PS3 have bothered using a dual layered BluRay? That's like 50 gigs of space. Ridiculous. lol
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby motherbra1n » 18 Apr 2011 11:05

KingBroly wrote:It sounds like the tech in this console is in the 2007-2008 range. A new console from M$/Sorny that could potentially come out in 2013-14 would have 2012 level tech in it. So in that sense it'd still be 5-6 years behind the tech curve IF they put out new consoles then, which I doubt they will.

What I want:
- 1gb of ram
- Ability to swap in your own HDD's
- Ability to move your VC/WW games to it
- An Online Shop Profile to tie everything to a Tag and not a Console
- 1 Friend Code per Console
- Ability to play DVD's on it (even though Streaming is taking over)
- 720p games/1080p movies (stream or on disc)
- BC Wii games, that are upscaled/AA added
- HDMI port
- Ability to move Locked Wii game saves over to it that will now be unlocked to a console

if they have any form of friendcodes i think they will be in big trouble. they need to move on and realise how much better usernames are and a lot of people wont tolerant their laziness or their stupid online policies for another gen like this.

otherwise i agree with pretty much everything you said
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Re: Project Cafe - Nintendo's Next Rumored Console

Postby KingBroly » 18 Apr 2011 11:30

I think having an E-Shop Profile is bigger than a Multiplayer Username. With that in place digital sales would soar. Right now, there is a lot of hesitance to buy digital goods from Nintendo because stuff is tied to your console.
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