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[Wonkoo]

Wow.. Gamexplain needs to stop existing. The second commenter in the New Super Mario Bros U video is the most bored sounding person I've ever heard. Then goes on to complain that they need online play for it to be "next generation"? Games media should be impartial. Not every game should be Halo.

[metalpants]

So I'm glad Gamexplain usually shows a lot of support for Nintendo... but when that support sounds like it's forced, it kind of defeats the purpose of showing support. Not a fan of their "xplanations".

[Broken_Cartridge]

I like their opinions. I thought they did a pretty decent job going over the stuff at e3. None of their support seemed forced to me, and @Wonkoo sorry but if NSMBU doesn't have the option to play online with your friends, then it isn't up to snuff with this last gen of gaming let alone next gen. It has nothing to do with "Halo", online co op is a must for the future of Nintendo games. You say you want them to be impartial, yet that would also mean for them not to be singing their praises about Nintendo at every turn (which, mind you Gamexplain is always insanely supportive of Nintendo, even in these videos) I sure know I'll be disappointed if Nintendo doesn't start incorporating online play into their multiplayer games that are co op.

[Wonkoo]

@Broken_Cartridge I'm just sick to death of reviewers saying that every game needs an online option to be relevant. Rayman Origins didn't have it, Donkey Kong Country Returns didn't have it, and people loved those games because they were just really really good. Games are what they are. Movie reviewers don't criticize a movie for not being in 3D just because it's what most movies are doing. They judge it based on what it tried to be. So why can't we have professional game journalists who can do the same?

[Broken_Cartridge]

@WonkooYou're comparing apples to oranges with movies containing 3D and video games supporting online.

First off, they aren't saying that the game needs online in order to be a good game. No one is saying that. Rayman Origins and Donkey Kong Country Returns were really fun, but in today's day and age when a game has multiplayer you should be able to play online. Regardless of the type of game it was 360/PS3 games had online co op (with few exceptions like Rayman Origins). It's something that has been a defining property of the current generation of gaming. If Nintendo's "next gen" console doesn't have a stronger support for online gaming, then that's showing that they are a little behind what the competition currently has (in the online aspect of things). Don't get rid of offline co op, it's great, but for anyone in their 20s and beyond it's not always easy to get together with gaming buddies and play couch co op.

Do I want to wait to play a game once a week with my friends, or do I want to be able to play online with them in the middle of the night each night after work. You might be inclined to say "but broken_cartridge if you have time to play co op at night then you could meet up with them-", but unfortunately the real world doesn't work like that. When I get done a shift at work I don't feel like leaving my home (and neither do my friends) to play an hour or so of a game....followed by driving home to sleep so that I can wake up early for a shift in the morning. Sure, this may seem irrelevant to you, but I'm trying to get the point across that it's a feature that is needed for multiplayer games. Sure Donkey Kong and Rayman were fun and great, but both games are vastly more fun when you play with someone else. Instead of depriving people of that experience, support online (like current gen platforms do), and allow people to play multiplayer whenever they want instead of whenever they can gather people together.

[midorigreen]

For me even their Luigi's Mansion video sounded forced. @wonkoo I agree with you that not every game needs online play to be good and I will be picking up this game regardless. still i can't imagine there won't be online play with the increased focus on online connectivity shown in the Nintendo Direct.

[Wonkoo]

@Broken_Cartridge I agree that it's hard to get together with friends to play offline co-op games at our age, but for me anyway, it's even harder to convince friends to pick up a console, to get it online, to buy a $50-$60 game, when they can come by and play it for free with me. And I've often felt like this was why there was such a big push for online last generation. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but just like the whole Gamestop used games debacle, I've felt like developers tack on an online mode so that they can force people to buy more games and buy new games more often. And if people want to go online with their games, I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with there being an online mode in New SMB U. What does not sit well with me is when game journalists sigh and act bored during a video review, then claim the game needs online if it's going to be valid this generation. It's unprofessional, and it ticks me off.

[AndreGX]

@Wonkoo I really appreciate your feedback, but I assure you we didn't say the game needed online in order to be relevant. What Tom was getting at was that, if Nintendo wishes to cater to everyone (as they say is their goal), they're going to need to match their competitors in a few ways, specifically with online play.

I agree with you that a game doesn't need to be online in order to be good. But with that said, there are few games that wouldn't be better with it. And if you watch our reviews, you'll find that online play actually never enters into our review scores. But on a personal basis, particularly given that Tom, who you heard in that review, lives in Canada, online play would be much appreciated for us to play together, hence why it came up in the video.

I found it ironic that you said "Not every game should be Halo," as I definitely agree--most shooters bore me. But Halo is actually one of the few I really enjoy =D

[Wonkoo]

@AndreGX Thanks for replying. For the better part of the whole current generation, the Wii was my console of choice, just based on the type of library it has. But I've heard people complain for years about the lack of good games, the lack of online, the lack of this or that.. it wears a person down after a while. It's one thing when you hear it from random people online, but when people who are supposed to be professionals start acting the same way, it bothers me. A medium as diverse as gaming should have just as diverse an audience, and those in charge of gaming news should be impartial, reporting news without an editorial slant. And with E3 2012 the way it was, with shooters every five seconds, I feel like my place in this medium would be long forgotten if it weren't for Nintendo. I don't know Tom, but I just felt like he didn't want to be there and wasn't interested in the game I took the time to learn more about. Once again, I thank you for replying to my comment, and I'll continue to watch Gamexplain videos. I suppose it was just the final straw in dealing with an industry that won't take my tastes seriously.

[AndreGX]

@Wonkoo I actually totally hear that. It's partially (albeit a small) part of why I left GameSpot to do what I do now. I'm a big Nintendo fan, which is why a lot of what we do is focused around them, and I agree they're often not treated as fairly as they probably should be. With that said, that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to their faults as well, and online is definitely one of them, even if they have been improving.

And the reason Tom sounded like he didn't want to be there was probably because we were an hour into a 2-hour recording session in a room that was about 90 degrees, the day after we got back from E3 =D

[Hisiru]

@Wonkoo
I think you're just trying to defend your favorite company/game.

I love Mario, I love Nintendo but I agree with those guys. There is too much 2D Mario already and there is too much "New" games. Also, Mario really needs online multiplayer because I want to play it with some other friends.

You said they should stop existing... WTH???

I loved their comments about the Luigi's Mansion video, they aren't bad.

I am also watching the Skyward Sword videos and I am loving it.

I am curious to see what they are going to say about New Super Mario Bros 2.

[Wonkoo]

@AndreGX Well then please send Tom my apologies.

[Broken_Cartridge]

@Wonkoo If your friends won't buy a console and games, then that's a personal problem. It doesn't sound like they're too into gaming if that's the case.

Your theories are pretty messed up. Developers have been putting more emphasis on online in order to get more money given to their company. (i.e. did you buy the game preowned? You have to buy an online pass then) If let's say developers put in no online mode and it "forces people to buy more games", they will get no money from pre owned sales, and the chances that they're the developer that you buy a game from is slim. If Ubisoft made no online for Rayman on purpose to get me to buy another game, then that would only make sense if they could guarantee that I would buy another game from them....

What doesn't sit well with me is when blind fanyboyism causes someone to defend a company's faults. I own all of the Nintendo consoles, and I love the company. They are severely lacking in the online department. Journalists should be bringing this up because it is a problem, and he really didn't sound too disinterested to me...what AndreGX brought up makes sense regarding how he could sound disinterested.

This is clearly a topic that can easily offend you based off of your previous comments, but why let it do that to you. Ok, the Wii is the only console you own out of the current gen, but when someone brings up a fault in it they aren't bringing up a fault in you. Chill out, and try to realize that your emotional state and how well a video game company is perceived should not be linked.

[Entity]

These guys really hvae to cut down on the weed and the beer next E3. Hardly remembering any of the games and I am sure they either drunk or stoned or both when they revieved this LOL.

[Wonkoo]

This is why I don't comment on forums. Thank you for reminding me, @Broken_Cartridge. I have a different point of view, thus the "fanboyism" card is played. I've been trying to have a civil discussion. But not even on a Nintendo fan site do I get away with having an opinion that favors offline play. And that's all it is. I'm from an old generation and prefer my games like they were on the Super NES. The Wii gave me that,the Wii U seems to as well. But please, keep calling me a fanboy on forums. Sure does feel nice to be berated for having a different opinion.

[Broken_Cartridge]

@Wonkoo I really do apologize. I respect that you're ok with just offline play, and I respect that you have a difference in opinion. I'm terribly sorry for getting out of hand, but in any situation you should try and look at things from a more diverse stand point. I should have been more respectful of your opinion. It's really cool that no online works for you, and I honestly don't want Nintendo to change the fact that it supports offline co op (a lot of games on the other consoles don't).

I've already stated my opinion about online so I won't go into it any further, but I really do apologize for making you feel like I don't think you're entitled to your own opinion.