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Last time we saw these NPD number leaks, they were spot on. We'll run with them once again, but prepare to be shocked.
Muramasa > 35K
Scribblenauts > 193K
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days > 201K
Dead Space Extraction >9K
Spyborgs 5XX
Where are the Wii owners out there? It's completely shocking to see Muramasa outdo Spyborgs and Dead Space: Extraction, which both had more promotion. Capcom cannot be happy with the Spyborgs numbers...which would explain the price drop that's already in effect.
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K is Thousand, so 9K = 9,000
I'm not happy to see so many people deny Extraction a chance because it's on-rails, but people should buy and play what they like, I guess. Visceral Games will learn a lot about the Wii market with this game, I'm sure.
ALTHOUGH, I pretty much know a ton about New SMB Wii and it's not even all that close to release yet. So maybe they need to really look at where they advertise too.
Nice numbers for the 2 DS games though.
i think people deny dead space because Resident Evil DC is also on rail and they don´t want to get 2 on rail titles this year and they found more interesting RE DC.
well is just my opinion
What is it with people expecting Wii owners to just buy any junk that's dumped on the system? It's bad enough we are labeled retarded, why must we validate it by buying lackluster games we don't want?
I'm glad these games are bombing. Show the 3rd parties that we will not put up with their mess.
People b**** that it didn't do well even with something like 79,000 units in its first week, yet that is over double what Muramasa did.
In other news I may get Muramasa around Christmas time.
Except for the part where Dead Space is a good game. But I can see that you can't comprehend that, so I'll let it slide, brosuke.
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@TOPIC:
Also, I don't see how anyone is surprised by Spyborgs' numbers. That game was doomed to fail like ExciteBots.
Dead Space is because the market isn't particularly on the Wii, they're all on PS360 for the most part. Nothing to do with rail-shooting, in all honesty.
And the original game only got a COMBINED total of 1million from 3 platforms.
Muramasa's sales are definitely surprising to me though, considering it falls into that beautifully over-referenced "niche" category.
Yes, but at the same time it proves their point. Most 3rd parties are itching to stop developing for Wii. When they can prove in anyway. That the Wii can't make them money. They will drop it and not make anything.
I am honestly very surprised about Marumasa, I thought it'd sell way less than that. This is a god sign that it could pull in some decent 6 figure numbers in the long run.
Yay for scribblenaughts, 5th Cell should be very proud.
Also, as many people have said, the fact that it's on-rails and something like 6-8 hours long isn't helping it any.
This.
@KingBroly
I'm almost positive none of the games had ads, but that's just me.
The only ad I ever saw for Dead Space, was in Gamestop, and it was running on a 360.
I never saw one for Spyborgs or knew it was out. I did know about Dead Space, because I actually wanted/followed that. Didn't have money launch day though (and still don't).
@EVIL-C
Also, this (about Dead Space).
@HeresSomeWeapons
A lot of games, even for PS3/360, are about that length as well.
Except it wasn't a good light gun game. Any light gun game that's slow and takes away control like that shouldn't be made. It's the opposite of why people like light gun games: It wasn't fast paced, it has no replay value and it has too much narrative and not enough shooting.
I don't understand why bad 3rd party games must be defended, while decent 1st party games gets hated. Do you people hate Nintendo that much?
And before you respond with some half baked "witty" comment, do remember what genre we're talking about. Just because it has high production values doesn't make it a good game.
As far as Spyborgs goes. A half-baked game with no promotion deserves to bomb.
And that brings me to DS:Extraction. Just goes to show that EA should have green lit something that gamers actually wanted on the Wii. I plan in picking it up still, but $50 is a lot to spend on such a short game with no replay value. It sucks to see a good game getting overlooked, but no one is to blame but EA. Barely anyone wanted the game months ago when people learned it was a "guided first person experience" and barely anyone wants it now that it is released (especially after there was no marketing push for it).
What promotion? Have I been under a rock without realizing it?
What decent 1st party games that aren't "Wii This" or "Wii That" came out recently besides Punch Out, which was back in May?
I haven't bought a new Wii game since then, and before that, I got Animal Crossing and Brawl last year (from Nintendo).
And Mario is coming out soon. Who was bashing these?
As for Dead Space, that's because you were expecting it to be a normal rail shooter, which is WHY they tried differentiating it.
It got 80%-ish scores from everyone, it scored well and everyone applauded that it wasn't like a normal light gun game and was true to the franchise.
So maybe it wasn't a good 'light gun game', but Metroid Prime isn't a good 'first person shooter', because it's technically not supposed to be played like one.
Maybe you think it's a bad game because it doesn't fit what you expect out of a rail shooter, but I don't like Wii Fit because it doesn't fit what I expect out of a video game.
Your opinion = / = fact.
"Dead Space is because the market isn't particularly on the Wii, they're all on PS360 for the most part."
Resident Evil: UC and it's status as a million seller says, "Hi."
That is as close to apples to apples as I can give you if you are stating that the horror-shooter audience isn't particularly on the Wii.
If you mean the "core" audience as a whole isn't on the Wii, the very successful Zelda:TP, Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, RE4: Wii, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Monster Hunter Tri all say, "hello" as well. But to me, that is a bit more apples to oranges.
EDIT: Just to prove my point further, here is a large list of "core" titles that have managed to sell over a million copies on the Wii (though keep in mind, the definition of "core" differs from person to person):
Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Guitar Hero III, Link's Crossbow Training, Animal Crossing: City Folk, Guitar Hero: World Tour, Super Paper Mario, LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Mario Strikers Charged, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08, Rock Band, Shaun White Snowboarding: Road Trip, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, Call of Duty: World at War, LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09, Call of Duty 3, Red Steel, Mario Super Sluggers, The House of the Dead 2&3 Return, LEGO Batman: The Videogame, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Pro Evolution Soccer 2008, Sonic Unleashed, and Monster Hunter Tri.
Like I said, some of these may not be considered "core" by every gamer, but there is still enough in there to show that the "core" audience is viable on the Wii. I also must add that the list may not be comprehensive.
The problem, in my opinion, isn't that the core audience on the Wii isn't there. It is just that aside from Nintendo and a few 3rd Party exceptions, no one is making the RIGHT core games on the Wii. On rails games (generally) don't cut it, shoddy ports won't do, and titles with little mass market appeal aren't the answer either.
Demon Blade is selling well because its a good straight forward action game on Wii.
Spyborgs is selling poorly because its a good concept that lacks in the execution of things.I bought the game at its 20 dollar price drop. I've played it for a couple hours here & there. While i like the idea of what they were doing with the game the gameplay is lacking. I dont feel like i'm stringing combos together. Hell i dont even feel like i making an impact when im hitting these guys. Not only that ,but it constantly seems like the baddies swarm my AI partner.
Now on to Dead Space...Ive said it before ,and ill say it now. EA screwed up when they greenlit this as on rails. That genre is over saturated on Wii. Whereas the 3rd person action/shooter genre isnt it. In fact the wii is sorely lacking in that genre. Had they kept with the RE4 style gameplay the game would of got the respect it deserved.
I guess gamers want everything in HD so they can play it like a spoiled baby.
None of the Wii games are not advertised other than Ninentdo ones and shovelware
Not quite it is a number between 500 and 599. Wasn't Spyborgs out for like 2 days in September anyway? I remember people fuming over Kloona having sold 1200 units when those were sales counts from the game being sold a week early.
Mostly, I've stopped buying games I haven't actually played before. The one game I actually have preordered (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) may be the last game I preorder ever if I'm disappointed.
Seems to me that customers are being expected to buy games, instead of game companies being expected to sell games worth buying. I'm thinking I may just stop playing games. I mean, the continual epic failure of basically everyone in the industry again and again is more entertaining than the grand majority of games released in the last few years. When news about entertainment is more valuable than the entertainment itself, something is wrong.
I knew the game wasn't going to do well... but damn...
I think when Capcom scrapped the initial plan for Spyborgs and rehauled it...that might've given the development's budget a big hit. For those who say Capcom doesn't listen, then tell me why they scrapped the cel shaded cartoony look? Becuz Wii owners on sites like this one complained and complained. So they started over gave it a grittier look and beefed up the graphics. This what everyone wanted compared to the initial idea!
Next time Capcom should stick to there own gut instinct and not listen to the treacherous Wii owners who dwell on game sites. Although us internet goets would hate it...I think Capcom shouldve stuck with their original plan for Spyborgs. It would off sold waaay better at this point.
i'm surprised muramasa did well,
you sell crap games and fail to market them accordingly you get crap sales,
Extraction is a complete and utter failure as an actual game that had shines of brilliance when the developers stopped masturbating over their cinematic wonder and remembered 'Oh yeah, this is supposed to be a game that is played'. The second to last chapter was INCREDIBLE, because it cut all the storytelling bull and let gunning and atmosphere do the talking. Fantastic mood, scares.. All around it's just a damn shame the rest of the game wasn't that good.
And you're right, his opinion does not mean it was a crappy game. The fact that it's utterly bombing on a system where good rail shooters get rewarded better than they have in YEARS means it was.
I'm delighted to see it sell so low, I'm tired of cinematic crap overtaking actual gameplay just so some two bit hack who couldn't make it as an author or scriptwriter wants to play Imagine: Directorz. May this trend of such crap being punished continue.
edit: Also the original didn't sell that hot either, maybe most gamers just *gasp* don't like the setting the game presents.
How many 'guided first person experiences' are a success on the HD consoles? Better yet how many are RELEASED on HD consoles?
Not many, fact is the Wii despite all the moaning is the best possible market for them.
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Muramasa is doing pretty damn well, and hasn't even released in Europe yet.
@KingBroly
They had ads for Spyborgs during Saturday morning cartoons and maybe Cartoon Network. Dead Space: Extraction was on TV a few times but was heavily promoted on Hulu.
But those are TERRIBLE numbers. I blame RMC's review for Spyborgs, and apparently people don't want to buy other on rails shooters to use that gun they got with Link's Training. Crazy.
Muramasa is a wonderful game, great production value. I'm sure it will sell well also here in Europe!
also, did ANYONE really expect Spyborgs to sell? you can tell the game is absolute garbage by just looking at videos, of course that game is only going to sell 500 units.
I join people who say DSE is a terrible lightgun shooter. It's awfully short, it's sold at full price, and it has tons of non interactive non skipable cutscenes that kill any kind of replay value.
Umbrella Chronicles is leagues better as a game, and was sold cheaper. I'll trade DSE to Darkside Chronicles and I'm very glad it seems to be bombing. I hope it's a miserable flop and Darkside Chronicles blasts it into oblivion.
I can't judge both games for myself since I haven't played either. The fact DS:E got plenty of good reviews is a nice reassurance for me since it's not often a light gun shooter gets lots of praise, and many critics agree that when it comes to RE:DC "if you like lightgun shooters and the RE franchise then you will like Darkside Chronicles."
Really, RMC? Is it really 'shocking' to see that people don't want a rail shooter and a beat-em-up game that's been getting horrid reviews from all angles?
Well, pardon us for wanting quality titles. If third parties want us to buy their games, they should make us WANT to buy their games. I'm not going to buy something that they made absolutely no attempt to promote.
we need a crusade in support of that game. It got great reviews and saw more promotion than most Wii games, Kenkaku. But you're waffling anyway: first you "they should make us want to buy their games" followed by "I'm not going to buy something that they made absolutely no attempt to promote." So, even if that were true, is the level of promotion the driving factor for whether or not you buy a videogame?
and RMC was just saying that the extremely low Spyborgs number surprises him because it had slightly more TV spot/print/online promotion than Muramasa. that's all. relax
Also I don't think it should surprise anyone Kingdom Hearts sold lots. It's got a huge fanbase.
NO ONE is properly advertising their games, and I can understand why.
Many companies simply can't afford real ad campaigns and rely on word of mouth and press releases, but the majority of Wii owners never go to sites like this.
The whole blue ocean tactic is great for the Wii hardware, but even if someone wanted to advertise a game, the market is so diverse that it's hard to specifically target the right ones or all of them.
I feel bad when I see these numbers, but the only person to blame really is Nintendo for making such a toxic market and doing little to help third parties promote games.
I saw Spyborgs for 24 dollars at my local Best Buy and was so tempted to get it. I would've if my Wii wasn't broken.
Just a little FYI, GameStop's selling Spyborgs for $20 so unless you've got a Best Buy giftcard I think you can get a better deal at GS (just not on used copies, for some stupid reason they haven't lowered the price on used Spyborgs copies yet).
I wonder if the price on DS:E will be dropping fast like what happened with Cursed Mountain and Spyborgs (well probably not, those two games pretty much bombed as badly as Bionic Commando [the new one], but I can see DS:E possibly dropping to $30 before the holidays).
My apologies, I should've said I live in Canada so the prices are always a little higher.
I can imagine EA might want to keep Dead Space at 50 bucks for the holidays, but then drop the price, but I could be wrong, cause a 29 price take would probably move a lot of software for Christmas.
I borrowed DS:Extraction, and yes, it is a good game with great production value. But it's also incredibly limited with loads of downtime. While the graphics are great (among the best on Wii), the voice acting is great, and the story is great, I can't help but be slightly disappointed. I am intrigued by the Dead Space saga now, but I believe I would be more receptive to the format of the original- and when everybody cries about that it's on-rails, I can assume that most people agree. I know it's been mentioned a thousand times here, but RE:DS is just around the corner, and that's a franchise that has a lot of power on the Wii. I'm sorry it means abysmal sales for Dead Space: Extraction- but maybe this should be attributed to poor management on EA's part and not gamers.
Buying games that are actually advertised, it seems.
"It's completely shocking to see Muramasa outdo Spyborgs and Dead Space: Extraction, which both had more promotion."
That's like saying 2 is greater than 1... on a scale of 100. Not that I'm cheering or anything, but saying Spyborgs or DS:E had "promotion" is a REAL stretch.
"I'm actually surprised that The Conduit has really crushed those Wii games there."
Well, it is a better game... and it was actually promoted, too.
--R.J.
Dissapointed on Dead Space, although I'm not the one to talk, since I haven't bought it either. Yet. I plan to play the first game before I move on Extraction. I hope sales will eventually be satisfying.
By the way, I don't see why people hate on-rails... I thought Sin & Punishment is one of the best shooters I've played, and Umbrella Chronicles was pretty damn fine too.
I always listen to people compaining about Rail Shooters, but I've never seen a bad title of the genre ever. :S
I definitely bought Muramasa and it's amazing.
Gettin' Boy and His Blob. I am concerned about how slowly paced DS:E is... I rented to play with my gf and she complained the entire time about how boring it was and just sitting around (or walking around... or being made to walk around) before stuff actually happens... and I saw her point. We have played through some of the other lightgun shooters on Wii (hell, almost all of them!) and I like Ghost Squad more so far, even if it looks crappier... because it's more fun.
Nintendo help an event for the game and the Nintendo store in NY. I'm sure that helped quite a bit.
Yeah but the graphics in SpyBorgs are way too good for download. Seriously that is one of the nicer looking Wii games.
Thats an insult. Muramasa is pure awsomeness. Dead space is cool, and Spyborgs is s***. Whoever buys Spyborgs is oblivious or just so lost in taste of what to buy, cause i dont see people buying so much games on Wii that they buy Muramasa and Spyborgs.
I just said I bought both so ha ha ha
In my defense I paid $14 for spyborgs.
@varoennauraa
Yeah! They should have made it a 3rd person game like RE4 so it would have sold really well, like Dead Rising Wii! Then the joke would have been 'needz moar necromorphzz'
J/k
Serves Nintendo right for doing this to the industry, no one wins but them.
The casual market isn't backing up exclusive hardcore games and the core owners are also Ps3/360/PC gamers who have an assortment of valid reasons to not buy them.
We could start a list but someone will just perpetuate this to no end, back and forth for what?
Because there's some sort of self-entitlement brought by 3rd parties who guilt trip consumers and trick them into believing their games hold even a candle to the budget of the HD originals?
I only feel bad for the completely niche games sent to their deathbeds.
For a game like Extraction it's particularly disheartening to see what they did to the franchise but its worth playing once to experience it. Just not at that rocket price of 50 dollars.
I'm just going to quote Hawk on this one:
MYTH:
"The Wii is full of on-rails shooters."
FALSE. Here's a list for you:
House of the Dead 2&3
House of the Dead: Overkill
Ghost Squad
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Toy Story Mania
some parts of Link's Crossbow Training
...and a few subgames in the Raving Rabbids series.
That's all I can come up with. And even if you can come up with a few more it's still a SMALL PERCENTAGE of the Wii library. So stop exaggerating. Pick on party minigame collections instead.
MYTH:
"Nobody likes on-rails shooters."
Bull. Some people do. I do. It would be fairer to say that only a small portion of Wii owners like on-rails shooters AND want a core game.
It's fair for people here to say they don't like on-rails shooters. But stop exaggerating.
The amount of platformers on Wii outnumbers the amount of rail shooters!
* A Boy and His Blob
* CID 925: An Ordinary Life
* CID the Dummy
* Crash: Mind over Mutant
* Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action
* Donkey Kong
* Drawn to Life: The Next Chapter
* Elebits
* Flip's Twisted World
* Ice Age 2: The Meltdown
* Klonoa
* Lost in Shadow
* Metroid: Other M (to an extent)
* New Play Control: Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
* New Super Mario Bros Wii
* Open Season
* Ratatouille
* SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
* Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon
*Spyro: Eternal Night
* Super Mario Galaxy
* Super Mario Galaxy 2
* Tak and the Guardians of Gross
* The Ant Bully
* Trixie in Toyland
* Wario Land: Shake it
Okay so NOT ALL of the above listed are "good games" but the fact remains that people seem to LOVE over exaggerating the amount of rail shooters on the Wii.
Muramsa is spectacular game, DS Extraction, is good, but dosent deserve to outsel Deamon Blade. and spyborgs, is mediocre at best.
really rmc i dont see what's so surprising about them being ourperformed by the better title. sure Dead space deserved more sales, but it's not a surprise that it's been mostly ignored.
Furthermore capcom has nothingto cry about, now, if Tatsunoko Vs Capcom, performes at a similar level, then by all means, capcom has every right to get upset1
I have seen absolutely NO promotions or advertisements for Dead Space: E over here in Europe, it just sits there in Gamestation among a bundle of other Wii games. No posters, no nothing. The exact same scenario for Spyborgs. How does anyone expect these games to sell when no one even knows they exist.
If the Wii had HD and they release the original Dead Space(AND ALL GAMES) just like it was originally(but with Wii controls) would the core Wii market be in a different position today?
I mean would it? I can't explain why core Wii games keep selling like crap except...maybe it is time to concede defeat. There are no Core Wii gamers.
They all own a PS3/360 and are only buying THAT AAA game on those systems ONLY. Wii is not considered, peroid?
The proof is in the pudding.
This has to be the only explanation.
Don't blame it on money or economic issues. Look at the HALO sales for example. Those are all on 360. They sell like a jabillion one off and continue to sell for immense totals...
um so why is it that when what is clearly a great game comes to Wii there are not similar mad sales and sales continue onwards?
Sad. Tsk.
The Grinder and GLADIATOR A.D. Have no hope. NO HOPE! I tell you.
At least they will get a purchase of at least 1.
heh.
On top of that, Capcom released it to, like, zero hype or fanfare. Even the Capcom Unity site was, like, practically radio silent about it.
I have Dead Space, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet!
They went out of their way to make webisodes for it (which I didn't watch) and then even changed the production values and nature of the second one when the first one got bad reviews... i mean what the heck?
Not finding it in a store is a problem though.
@IxisNaugus
I am confused about it when people who know the game exists from reading about it online don't buy a game and then say that the lack of promotion is why it didn't sell. If it is supposed to be a 'hardcore' game that is being geared towards people who read about games online, then why is that a reason? When a ton of people who know a game exists don't buy it, it just seems like 'lack of advertising' isn't the reason why.
I think this is the only solution. Nitnendo need to drop all games by 10..then retialers will sell em even cheaper..by another 10...when they dont sell well...
Obviously people don#t want to pay full price for NON-HD games....has to be it...
*Highly dissapointed* but I cant wait to get Dead Space Extraction myself.
I'd really really like to hear what Mr. Riccitiello would have say about this. Same goes for knowing who was the one who decided to go for an on-rails game.
Good news!
Spyborgs is already down to $20 at Best Buy and Gamestop (if you can find it there, at least)
Thanks but I already knew that. Just was pondering if i even want it enough to part with $20. Got a lotta stuff to play and more coming along!
Same goes for me, I will never ever spend 50 dollars on a non-HD game when I can spend it on something for the Ps3/360 or my PC.
Unless the game is like incredibly awesome like Fragile or is a Nintendo 1st party I really couldn't careless for 50 dollar Wii games.
Granted there are also tons of Wii games priced at a lower MSPRP, Klonoa and A Boy And His Blob come to mind but because of how awful the situation is with the Wii I'm willing to wait it out for more price drops.
There's nothing wrong with the price of those games, it's just I had my burns with buying games at full MSRP new then watching them go down in price almost a month later on the the Ps3 and on the Wii.
What's the point really? It's not like the majority of Wii's userbase cares about games that involve skill and the rest of the core are so small in existence they're not going to save it.
I actually like onrails shooters, but I don't like to write ten mile long texts, hence a slight exaggerating to bring a point of view in a effective way.
Isn't Your list quite comprehensive for a such a niche genre? Even some one like me, who likes these games, really don't buy several onrails games for one system. I don't think I was exaggerating too harshly. Dead Space seems to be the greatest onrails experience of all times(and I'm going to buy it surely, as there might not be better weekend game for two people), and still at the same time it is one of the greatest disappointmets in gaming, since a PROPER Dead Space would have been a direct hit for the Wii(at least in a quality vice). The original video demos of first XBox were very promising(surely a Wii-version would have been even more impressive), and when we found out that the supposed Wiimotion-enhanced, horrifying Dead Space experience, with tactical twisting of a Wiimote, was actually yet one more on rails experience, every HD-ready-console owner I know laughed with tears in their eyes.
for a wii game its meh, for a 3rd title in general, hell no.
buy muramasa guys that game is awesome!
This. So many Wii games are not even worth $50 because they lack content or the game simply isn't long at all or have crappy online, etc. A lot of Wii games would be XBLA or PSN games easily because of this. I think one of the only Wii games worth $50 is Brawl. Luckily, a lot of publishers have noticed this and a good number of games are $30-$40.
Muramasa sales are fine. Yes, it IS niche. It's an artsy, 2D console game based on culture and mythology few in this country are familiar with.
@ DSE
Well... its onrails and it is short. Then again Onrails and long game don't mix very well...
Anyhow, personally I watched all the chapters of DSE online to see what was good about it. I found out that it has an excellent story. But.. really, story alone won't make me buy the game at full retail price.
The only light gun game that would really sell a truck load is Duck Hunt because were stupid enough to buy it in droves blinded by nostalgia to shoot that damn dog once again.
Muramasa also had a Twitter (which I followed) and it really helped gain like an extra 500 sales. If more company's (big name company's)did this, they could get thousands of extra sales. Dead Space had a Twitter, but it wasn't really user friendly (meaning if you messaged them, they wouldn't message you back).
I think Twitter can help market games better.
@KingBroly
Yeah I saw ads for Dead Space all over 1UP and IGN. IGN really pushed this game by putting many ads up. Same with 1UP.
I don't buy rail shooter spin-offs.
Make real games, and you'll get my attention. Otherwise, bugger off and stick with making your 360 games/complain about how "mature/core games don't sell on Wii" like you will anyway.
Spyborgs I may well still pick up, but I have no money right now and have other things to consider. The fact is that third parties can't be trusted to deliver anything remotely good on Wii as of late, so unless a game gets stellar reviews from sources I trust, why bother?
Then, as for the rest, we have the 'hardcore' gamers (partly represented by many of the replies in this topic) who are happy to justify why titles are not selling well.
That doesn't leave very many potential buyers for new 'core' titles. Dare to make one, and the 'gamers' will tear your game to shreds if you don't advertise the way they think you should, or change one element of the game to invite a bigger audience, or spend a little less than you would on a PS3/360 title.
But Nintendo's making money, so woot for that and stuff.
WHAT.
I don't give a damn for half-efforts like DSE and Spyborgs - it is the publisher's fault to decide to make a lightgun spinoff and a generic preteen brawler. Muramasa, on the other hand, isn't a "test" or a game "made specifically for the Wii audience". It is just a game, and it kicks ass.
Great numbers for Scibblenauts, and I hope it makes the developer to improve the s*** controls and word recognition. Nice to see KH doing well, and I hope it keeps selling.
Yes.
Too many third parties fail on the Wii because they talk down to the audience -- by dismissing them as "very much casual and into Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and minigame titles." That's called pandering, and it's the last thing you want to do if you want people to give you their money.
--R.J.
ExciteBots
"And Mario is coming out soon. Who was bashing these?"
Tons of people. Go grab any New Super Mario Bros. Wii story from IGN or wherever you like and check the comments section.
"I feel bad when I see these numbers, but the only person to blame really is Nintendo for making such a toxic market and doing little to help third parties promote games."
What an ignorant, ignorant statement. The core market is dwindling. Go check the numbers. Nintendo is saving gaming.
You should instead ask where did all the PS2 owners go?
"To be fair, there are only a certain amount of millions upon millions of casual Wii gamers in North America."
What an even more ignorant statement. First of all, "casual" is a meaningless term, so just drop it. Second, your entire statement is so contradictory and ironic that I have to stand back and gasp at it in total awe.
The core market is limited, not the expanded market. You can't put a limit on customers that are untapped. This is simply absurd.
Second, the only limit is the population. No console has achieved more than 33% household penetration in America, so don't try to say that millions upon millions of customers is somehow limited.
If you want to say "doesn't everyone own a Wii already?" so that you can join this year's idiotic new meme, then just do it.
"Serves Nintendo right for doing this to the industry, no one wins but them."
And here we have the crown jewel of ignorant statements.
How does a third-party's failing title "serve Nintendo right"? I'd really like to know this. Because Nintendo does not control the content of third parties and does not particularly care whether Dead Space Extraction sells poorly or Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles sells well.
And to say "no one wins but them" is just idiotic. Uh, hello? EA? Did you forget about them. The entire business strategy was reformed to follow the Wii's disruptive entry. Quite obviously, EA is doing much better following Nintendo's progression.
"As for Dead Space, that's because you were expecting it to be a normal rail shooter, which is WHY they tried differentiating it."
No, I was expecting a good rail shooter. It was nice they tried to differentiate it from other shooters, but they made the mistake of gutting the experience and adding in nonsensical garbage.
"It got 80%-ish scores from everyone, it scored well and everyone applauded that it wasn't like a normal light gun game and was true to the franchise."
Wrong. The hardcore mindset journalists gave it high scores, and the minority gave it praise. Obviously by looking at the sales figures not every felt that way.
"So maybe it wasn't a good 'light gun game', but Metroid Prime isn't a good 'first person shooter', because it's technically not supposed to be played like one."
Metroid Prime 3 is a better shooter experience than pretty much everything on the Wii. It was still a solid FPS experience, on top of being a fantastic metroid game.
"Maybe you think it's a bad game because it doesn't fit what you expect out of a rail shooter, but I don't like Wii Fit because it doesn't fit what I expect out of a video game."
Sales figures once again prove you wrong. If Extraction fit the expectations of rail shooter fans, why is it selling so poorly?
"Your opinion = / = fact. "
No, but sales figures = fact, and that fact says Extraction is a failure.
@Burgers
"The majority of Wii owners are very much casual and into Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and minigame titles. Am I wrong?"
Yes, you are wrong, and you damn well know it. People have shown you data proving you are wrong about "casual gamers", yet you still continue on with this ignorant crusade of yours.
When the wii version of Dead Space was announced, everybody was expecting a game like the versions for PS3, 360 and PC. After all, DS started as a game for the original Xbox, so it wouldn't be a bad idea if EA recovered the old project for the wii version. However, instead of giving us what we wanted, EA decided to kill all our expectations by announcing that DSwii will be an on-rails shooter.
If any of you is looking for a great horror game, avoid Dead Space Extraction and go out to buy Cursed Mountain. I have them both, and I'm still don't know why DSE was better praised by the critics over Cursed Mountain. There are too many on-rails shooter on the wii better than DSE, and that game is not even scary.
In the form of not being able to watch a video on Hulu without seeing a Dead Space commercial. Dead Space even sponsored like some Horror week or something there.
Not to mention it was promoted on the Nintendo Weekly, which surely couldn't have hurt its sales prospects.
I'm just happy the game is selling well all things considered.
Its obviously different from the original Dead Space, but it something fresh and new to the series. Kinda surprised for the sales. Hope that it gets more popular, can't wait for a new one.
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Well, to me, a good game is a good game, no matter what the genre, and I'll try to buy it at full-price, because it does look really good. Shame it didn't sell well, though.
--R.J.
As far as promotions go, how would anyone know Dead Space Extraction or Spyborgs were out? Only people who come to sites like this. I know I have Wii-owning friends who would probably love this game (Dead Space), but don't even know it exists because the game isn't promoted anywhere except on gaming sites. Gaming companies have to learn about and reach the consumers. You would think that out of 50 000 000 Wii owners, at least a couple of million would want this game.
Yeah. Sure they have.
And the HD twins' higher lifetime sales numbers over the Wii proves this.
Have you played rail-shooters in the past?
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