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What does Reggie Fils-Aime have to say when games like Assassin's Creed 2 and Modern Warfare 2 don't come to Wii?
"I'm extremely disappointed. I've had this conversation with every publisher who makes content that is not available on my platform. The conversation goes like this: 'We have a 22-million unit installed base. We have a very diverse audience… We have active gamers that hunger for this type of content. And why isn't it available?' I think for those games, typically decisions are being made two years prior, and so the decisions two years ago were that those types of games would not be effective on the platform. But we've shown that that's just not the case. High-quality, effectively marketed against our installed base will sell, period end of story."
But wouldn't having a more powerful, HD-ready platform help solve some of those problems? Reggie doesn't believe so...
"The fundamental issue in the logic flow is that — and this is what I'm hearing, whether it's from you or Geoff or Michael himself — is that, gosh it's such an opportunity to take HD capability and link it with the Wii. And what we have said, repeatedly, is that that's not the way we at Nintendo do things. The way we at Nintendo do things is, you know, when we will move to a new generation, it's because there are some fundamental things the [current] console cannot do. What that says is that simply the addition of HD capability will not be the next step for us. There will be more to it. There will be additional capability. There will be additional elements, and, given that, it is far into the future."
So...the idea of Wii HD is out for 2010?
"Not to announce with you here today."
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"we have the biggest damn user base, why arent you making that game for us too you idiots?!"
The reason, I think, is because Nintendo has been busy pushing Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, Wii Play, NPC Mario Power Tennis, NPC Pikmin, NPC Metroid Prime Trilogy, NPC Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc.
Don't forget Nintendo's Nursing Home Monitor(aka Wii Vitality Sensor) the company is releasing in 2010.
Microsoft and Sony actively pursue "exclusives" and deals with third party developers, Nintendo doesn't have to do that, because they develop their own games, and I think it's part of their problem.
It's like Pharmaceutical companies going to doctors' offices, they cater lunch, etc., to the doctors' offices, trying to get the doctor to write prescriptions for THEIR drugs...same with console makers, they cut deals with publishers/developers i.e. cater lunch, but it seems Nintendo doesn't care for that line of business...it's interesting.
Sony doesn't do that this generation, its not like they have any money leftover to bribe a 3rd party to stay with them.
Microsoft on the other hand always spends marketing money on TV ads to showcase their product, buy out time exclusives, etc etc.
Nintendo has done this by buying out a couple companies as well. Monolith Soft hasn't done anything interesting...for us in North America.
Nintendo also bought out Fatal Frame 4 rights and you saw where they got us.
If you ask me, they deserve no 3rd party support from HD titles because they are a bunch of asshats.
Bzzzt. Wrong answer Reggie. And in those words maybe you will find the answer to why 'that type of content' does not necessarily get put on the Wii.
I don't know about all that.
I'd say that games like The Crystal Bearers, Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest X, Tales of Graces, etc., are pretty damn good console exclusives.
I'd also say that games like No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, The Grinder, Epic Mickey, and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom are gonna be pretty damn good console exclusives.
I think his point is, the same point I've been making all along, that these third parties fail to bring quality multiplatform gaming to Wii. If you look at games like Tiger Woods, or The Force Unleashed, or Ghostbusters, those games were obviously graphically inferior to the HD versions, but have still been called the best versions of these games, because they still look good, and PLAY better than the other versions.
I.E. If Capcom can do TvC, they could just as easily have done a Wii version of SFIV. If Activision can do Modern Warfare NOW, and could very easily put out World at War along with the other versions, then they very well could have done Modern Warfare back when it was NEW, or have done a Wii version of MW2.
That's the point I think he's making. The Wii has the largest install base, and a LOT of 3rd party games HAVE in fact seen success (sales wise), on Wii. Ubisoft, Sega, Activision, Capcom, they've all had million+ selling games on Wii. At least a company like Konami is actually stepping up and putting Silent Hill: Shattered Memories on Wii as a timed exclusive this year. And it won't be on PS3 or 360 at all. That shows some trust on their part, that the Wii was the best "next gen" console to go with, and you KNOW it's going to be the best version.
Again, I've acknowledged before, obviously, not every game NEEDS to be on Wii, and some games probably CAN'T be done on it. But, games like The Orange Box collection, MW2, RE5, SFIV, Prince of Persia, etc., could have easily been done on Wii, and SHOULD have had Wii versions. The only excuse these publishers have for not getting it done, is laziness, and cheapness.
You speaketh the truth.
True, those games are "exclusives", but how many are due to Nintendo being involved?
Red Steel 2 uses WM+ and the developer stated he wouldn't mind it being on other consoles.
The Grinder is coming from HVS, if it's still coming, as we haven't seen or heard much about it since July, which isn't like HVS at all if you remember how every month The Conduit had some sort of interview or "impressions".
Epic Mickey, already confirmed that it was going multi-platform, until it was mentioned it would be better as an "exclusive" and the Wii was the platform they chose.
While I agree, that third parties can do multi-platform releases at the same time, my point is that I don't see Nintendo or hear about Nintendo making attempts for it.
I would like to know how many trips/phone calls/etc. Reggie had with the President at Infinity Ward and Ubisoft in regards to getting MW2 and AC2 on the Wii...I doubt it's very many at all(if any).
This is what happens when you make cheap hardware. You sell the system more then the rest, but for cutting edge content, don't expect devs to flock to your hardware....
...Man he's dumb sometimes.
Also he's upset games like AC don't go to Wii but is completely unwilling to bring over games like Disaster Day of Crisis and Fatal Frame which appeal to the crowd that AC appeals to.......
I believe you are wrong.
When I see half the effort by 3rd Parties to put big name games Wii and back them up with solid marketing campaigns as they do on the HD consoles and then see them fail, I will think Reggie is wrong.
So far, no one has really tried... So I'll go with Reggie on this one.
This. A game like Assassin's Creed is literally impossible to pull off on the Wii, just in terms of processing power, not it's resolution output.
Hopefully Nintendo's next console will be powerful enough to have multi platform games from the other consoles.
Maybe a new Wii WILL be released next year (about halfway through PS3's lifecycle, according to Sony) which can handle this generation's multiplat games, and then a new Wii will come out of comparable hardware as the PS4 etc.
I dunno, probably too wishful thinking....
I don't know if AC would be impossible, sure graphics and some other corners may be cut, but if GTA was done on the PS2, I don't see why an Assassin's Creed type game couldn't be done on the Wii.
Well, to be honest, the only thing that made Assassin's Creed playable was the fact that it looked pretty and had a huge city that you could look out at. Without that, it would be nothing but mush. Yes, mush. Rockstar put fun into GTA on the PS2, and didn't make their primary game feature 'pretty graphics'.
@Artistic_Anarchy
LOL iknorite? He sounds genuinely pissed.
@inteliboy
People are all about the red box
" The way we at Nintendo do things is, you know, when we will move to a new generation, it's because there are some fundamental things the [current] console cannot do. "
>>Well,here's something that the current console cannot do:
-Convince developers to bring their top games on Wii
-Satisfy the core gamers
-Be on date
-Reproduce "eye-candy" graphics so s*** games can sell
So SHUT THE f*** UP and release the Wii HD already!
Hurr hurr, you should learn to not act like our dear friend Pachter. A Wii HD simply will not happen. Their next console (which won't be called Wii) probably will, but I doubt that it will come out anytime soon. It's not necessary yet (and nothing you say can prove otherwise. The HD twins are not really very threatening to the Wii at this moment).
"Core gamers" aren't satisfied because they want HD visuals? That's kinda shallow, ya know. Developers can't develop games without using HD visuals? That's just false, ya know. If developers like Infinity Ward find the Wii not satisfying their HD needs, doesn't that say more about IW than the Wii? "It's the highest selling console this generation with the largest install base, but we won't make games for it because it's not offering what we want". It's rarely about what the developers want for their game. It's all about what the consumers want. And the consumers want the Wii.
So shut the f*** up about Wii HD already!
Do you think Nintendo will drop the name 'Wii' for their next console, despite how much work they've put into making it a recognisable brand?
I doubt it.
Assassin's Creed is on the PSP and DS.
Would love to have these on Wii
(Yeah I don't have the other consoles)
Of course I realize it was neccesary for Nintendo's success this generation, but the lower price isn't really important to me
I have all 3 consoles, I have a full HD setup to enjoy the PS3/360 on. But you know what? Ironically I play my Wii in 480P, stretched to fill a [very large] HD screen, more often than the other two consoles combined. Wii is not the best technology performance wise, but it is at least as good as the other two entertainment wise in most cases.
I still look back at the fact that for example, many people enjoy GTA San Andreas more than any of the new GTA's despite their superior visuals and complexity. The classic Final Fantasy titles are still considered to be the most entertaining and imaginative (and are still being enjoyed today). [And many of] the classic Mario and Zelda titles are considered to be the most memorable and fun.
I guess what I'm getting at, is that HD is a means to an end, it's not the be all end all. It's a progressive step that I consider a luxury, not a requirement for a game to entertain well.
As another example, you pay $60 for Modern Warfare 2 and you beat it in 4-5 hours. Or you pay ~$60 for 3 solid Wii titles from Amazon, and play them for 20-30+ hours and have a ton of fun. I just played through Deadly Creatures ($19, finished it today), Okami ($17, almost to the end), and I'm still playing through Mercury Meltdown ($14) - all for ~$50 (shipping was free).
Now, for me the Wii is the better gaming console a lot of the time for that reason. It's just more entertainment for my hard earned dollar. I don't always enjoy paying premiums for the HD visuals, and that's ultimately what you do most of the time. It costs more for that added development effort - but is it really worth it once the HD wow effect wears off?
Now, in my mind entertainment is entertainment. I'll have a ton of fun with NSMB Wii, HD or not. I'm planning on spending some time in A Boy and His Blob and enjoying it's beautiful hand drawn 2D art. And I know Metroid Other M and the next Zelda will be outstanding quality software.
For me HD is a different type of entertainment quality, not the only type. Inevitably, there will be a Wii HD (it just makes sense), and I'll embrace it when it comes - but I'm in no rush. Honestly, if they still made SNES games, I would very likely buy them (I was buying GBA games up until the end too because it was so much like SNES). I could care less that SNES was 2D only and limited performance wise. It's good fun.
I agree with Reggie, there's no reason why more effort can't be put into making Wii exclusives that cater to the extended audience it's host to. It's just smart business to go where the customers are - and it costs less for them to do it thanks to Wii NOT being HD.
I personally don't understand the mentality of HD or nothing at all some devs take other than they don't have enough innovative game ideas to sell a title without 'shiny graphics' to do the talking for them. Case in point, EA's Madden 2009 compared to Madden 2010 - they basically gave up worrying about visual quality completely. Since it's not putting out HD why try at all right?
Assassin's Creed on the DS is NOT real Assassin's Creed, and the PSP version is still really REALLY watered down
please those stupid third parties are making psp games with high budgets and each sold less than 9000 units. with that kind of logic , how exactly nintendo could win them over? sony and microsoft are basically paying third parties to LOSE MONEY
This industry is used to making its title available everywhere no matter the "gameplay" cost , but they just don't do that on wii , despite being widly more successful than the DEAD psp. See the problem they are making game for the dead psp , the psp is dead only game critics keep thinking otherwise. The psp is the true closet game machine , the dust collector , the fake userbase, the dreadful attachment ratio , and this got the games . PSP sold less this month with a massive campaign relaunch , it's the biggest bomb ever . Europe and america market are dead and those are the only two that matter to the third parties.
oh rmc how about a blurb on gta cw on psp , another colossal failure of less than 9000 units,
There is nothing that can be done but prove just how adept the Wii is, and it is up to Nintendo to fully commit to that with more than just words.
Look at 'The Grinder', the E3 demo we saw was only 3 month into development. It not only looks fantastic (and the most advanced game on a Nintendo system), but it also pushes a concept and a crap ton of enemies that yet again ruins previous expectations of the Wii.
You want respect? Then publish it.
Nintendo themselves need to pull the finger out as even from a Ninty whore like me, they are coming across as incredibly lazy. There is something wrong in a situation where someone makes more money yet delivers less. It is a simple as that.
Well, when the world moves forward and has HDTVs in every home and Nintendo is making the only SD console in the market, I hope you still feel this way playing Super Jaggy Bros. because you have no desire to advance in technology just because we now know that a Super Gamecube can actually be a Super Gamecube instead of a regular one.
@Totodile
its more than possible seeing as how its on the psp. -_-
I would never play a PC game in anything less than a HD resolution over 720p. That doesn't change the fact that 30% (or there abouts) market penetration in the richest country in the world (North America, before the recession anyway...) is not a number worth chasing for Nintendo (even now). The Wii crushed the competition in sales thanks partly to its price, and considering how long it takes Nintendo to get games out why bother.
In the future, we will see.
As for Super Jaggy Bros. Have you ever heard of the mystical power known simply as anti-aliasing? Rouge Squadron 2 still looks pretty spiffy you know.
If you play a SD game on a HD set, you deserve to suffer frankly...
That is a lot different than the last statement he made about Wii HD. With a statement like the one here, Nintendo could come out and announce Wii HD tomorrow and have the above statement be truthful.
"we will move to a new generation, it's because there are some fundamental things the [current] console cannot do"
Obviously there are certain fundamental things that the Wii just cannot do, otherwise publishers would be bringing their big titles to the Wii. Do you really think that publishers would look over an install base of almost 60 million consoles if that was truly a viable option?
"If you play a SD game on a HD set, you deserve to suffer frankly..."
Yeah, it's MY fault for expecting the $50 game I bought for my $250 system not to look like absolute garbage on my $1500 TV. Ugh. Do you think before you say this crap?
I don't think Reggie realizes that competing with the other systems entails more than just outputting at 720p or more. Their hardware also allows for much more complicated, processor intensive software. There's AI and physics and all kinds of gameplay-affecting code that just runs very poorly on the Wii's dated CPU. The GPU just can't push the polygons or textures that the other systems can either, even at 480p.
It's not just a matter of "oh, well, this looks nicer on an HD screen". It's a matter of how much load the system can take. And, well, the Wii just couldn't take the load of a game like GTA4.
Look at the Wii port of Dead Rising to see what would happen to most games being put on the system. Yes there are some 360/PS3 games that could be done like RE5 and both Modern Warfare's, but there are definitely some that can't as well.
AC is going to the PSP... So your logic is flawed.
I do agree that it is kind of dumb complain about lack of content and not bring some games. Publishers ARE complaining about lack of games from Nintendo, and they DO tell that their support is following what Nintendo does. If they don't bring the "core" titles, he can't expect third party support on this front.
dude, the friggin psp assassins creed has been said to play JUST LIKE ASSASSINS CREED, BUT IN YOUR HAND
there is NOTHING assassins creed can do that the wii cant
and the graphics arent an excuse, because oops, psp.
they just dont do it, because they dont want to, i say ditch the psp and go wii, NOBODY buys freaking psp games anyways, even if wii sales were poor, the wii would sale 4 times as much
Dude, HD is becoming more and more standard in all kinds of entertainment industries. Yeah, lets hope Nintendo ignores it yet again and look even more outdated next gen. That will make them so hardcore and awesome because they like being out of date and it makes them different yet awesome! Wooohooo! Next I'm going to bring out VHS and audio cassette players because they are out of date! Woohooooooo!!!
Come on.
@Hami83
GOOGLE ASSASSINS CREED BLOODLINES
the games looks better than 90% of the wiis library (only beaten by capcom and nintendo games)
psp...still just as big as the original AC
same gameplay...
amazing graphics, better than most wii
I have equipment that can cater to every need, and an SD set for my Wii and older consoles. Sucks to be you I suppose, you should know what you are getting into.
AI is a simple matter of following basic algorithms, it doesn't require much computing power. Look at The Grinder if you want a Wii game pushing multiple AI characters.
Physics? What amazing breakthroughs have there been in terms of physics? Crysis is certainly amazing, and the last previous game that set a real bar for physics was Half-Life 2 which was on the old Xbox. Games like Boom Blox have fantastic physics, and the Havok physics engine has been in plenty of Wii games.
We have no idea what the true limitations of the Wii are, but we already know it can handle all the technology the other systems can thanks to The Conduit. The other systems may be able to output at a higher fidelity, but last I checked Metroid Prime 3 had some good looking textures.
Evidently the other systems can't handle GTA4 all that well either, considering how much it slows down... Fact of the matter is, that game is barely doing anything that the previous games (on PS2 remember) didn't do, in fact San Andreas was bigger.
@Hongo
HD is not 'better textures' as you put it, it is more pixels on the screen. Do you even know what you are on about?
Having a nice sharp picture is great and everything, but is also the most weak upgrade the graphics world has seen...
What part of 30% (last I checked) of North American homes don't you understand? If the biggest economy (before the recession...) in the world doesn't give a crap, why should anyone else?
Face it, Nintendo made the right choice this time.
True, but more pixels on a screen enable better textures to be seen though, creating a better picture. They work hand-in-hand to display what you see. Sure, Nintendo did fine this time. But what about next time? 30% is still a decent chunk. It may be up to 40% or 50% before the Wii's successor
handheld games cost $5 to make. if you want an exact replica of that on the wii, then by all means... but that just seems like a slap in the face to me... like call of duty 4 just now coming to wii.
I say it's time to bring on the Wii 2 already!
The draw distance and texture detail would blow the Wii up, not to mention it would look a litle jagged.
I mean look at modern warfare for the 360 and Reflex. It's a good effort, but it looks like crap in comparison.
And if it ends up looking like a PSP version, then that's pretty sad.
And why would they? From an artistic standpoint why go from beautiful to a generation behind?
And from a business standpoint, why put a game on a sysatem where most third party games sell over 300k and some sell a pathetci 10k in their first week when you can put them on systems where they will probably be million sellers in their first month?
Reggie may love the Wii, and I do too, but I'm not blind to see the serious flaws it from a developers point of view.
I was about to say, since when has Nintendo actually marketed anything?
The last nintendo game I saw marketed was Wii Fit Plus. I cannot recall EVER hearing about third party Nintendo games being marketed this generation.
If there are not good 3d party games on wii is the 3d party's fault. Period. Blaming Nintendo is retarded.
Yeah I called you retarded because that's what you are.
That's it. I give up. You are pathetic pseudoNintendo fans. If you were really Nintendo fand you'll appreciate what they have done to gaming instead of asking them to be like the LOSERS (MS and Sony). What kind of fan DO THAT?!
Go and get laid with your xboxes and leave the REAL GAMERS alone.
really? really?
no sh*t the graphics wont be the same, infact, they would probably be closer to the DS than the PsP
going a gen behind? do you even listen to yourself? the P. S. P. and D. S.
ITS EVEN ON CELLPHONES
its not about the graphics, its about a misunderstanding of the audience, i dont see whats so hard to understand
@sxyspaz
handhelds only cost 5 bucks to make?!
oh snap, imma make a DS game, who wants in?! only 50 cents to join!
the PSP is a different animal than the DS, yea, moon and dementium only took like, 3 dudes, but thats not the psp, and NOT the team that worked on bloodlines
well, in fairness, nintendo is in part to blame, if they would have taken a less liberal approach to the "nintendo seal of quality" then maybe we wouldnt have a wii stigma, and maybe we would have some 3rd party games
but that does NOT excuse the 3rd parties, they are being immature taking these "but wii is for loooooosers" stances
but, someday we will all have to accept, until nintendo stops trying to be ronald mcdonald, we cant be cool like the king.
seriously, nintendo also needs to be more willing to embrace what meathead consider "hardcore" because where meatheads go, 3rd party follows
Does that excite anyone but me? So I guess Nintendo is going BEYOND HD...SUPER HD perhaps?(or somting else too that is not graphics or power related?)
Um......
Why the Hell should Nintendo fit the bill for 3rd party titles? Isn't that the job for 3rd parties?
I EDITED MY COMMENT.
Let me make it more concise?
DS...
can do the same thing PSP can just to a lesser extent.
Chinatown Wars Excellent on both platforms...I think DS version is sweeter with touch screen control interface.
Wii...
Same thing (sweeter interface same game is possible) But nooo its all about the...HD HD HD 1080P, 720P. You own a Wii F**** YOU we don't care buy a "real" console to play our game (we will make the choice for you b*tch! motion controls means nothing to us---go use a gamepad and stare at that HD and like it!).
We won't put the effort in to make quality games with motion controls and show the unique way Wii changes gaming PERIOD.
No...wait 4 years(from 2006-2010)Let Sony and MS dictate when we go motion(following who?). We will go motion THEN. Not when Nintendo introduces this wonderful thing 4 years earlier. Nah its a fad its crap..lackluster lackluster...we go port we go port..f**8 the Wii its crap. HD gaming we go stron AAA quality stuff for the HD&gamepad ...screw the little white box.
Nah won't be seeing all those games aren't possible on Wii.(sarcasm)
They would just have to be built for Wii just like games are still released on PS2....
2010...
Enter Sony Wand enter NATAL. Devs jump for joy and churn the content with motion controls now...
Well...I wonder why we cant have this with current Wii now with LESS cost to you....who knows....who knows...(don't even talk about power the Wii is more than capable...devs are just lazy/
don't give a damn.)
Look at the sales of CODM42. Now Wii version there...er are they hurt by that? I don't think so.
This is very serious guys...its impact is very real and very great in terms of support for WII AND FUTURE NINTENDO SYSTEMS.(and games.....its all sbout the games!!!)
Third party core game support especially is very important to any console IMHO. Nintendo can't ride the waves with the new audience indefinetly...
So....
So...
Are you? You seem to be just as much anti-Nintendo as Burgers and a few other trolls are.
@Hami83
"This isn't an HD issue, this is a "The Wii can't even process all the crap going on during a play through of Assasin Creed""
If that were the case, why is the PSP port so damn close to the console version (and only amounts to 700MB)?
Again, this isn't a case of the Wii isn't capable of doing this, it's a case of "We don't want to support the Wii"
I wouldn't say either of them are trolls. A lot of what they say makes sense, they just don't look at everything with only Nintendo goggles, but at the industry as a whole.
And sometimes people are what they hate. So if they are trolls, hmmm... Just because a person is on a Nintendo fansite and they can stroke everything about Nintendo and bash anything not related to Nintendo in a sixth degree of separation like way, that makes them NOT a troll? Riiiiiiiight. You can be a troll both ways.
Fansite. Not fanboy site. People can like other things outside of Nintendo. They can have opinions against Nintendo. You can be a fan and still have an opinion.
I like Nintendo as much as the next guy, but I can see why a good majority of developers don't deliver every single game, ported down or not, to the Wii. I look at the industry as a whole most of the time. If everything but Nintendo was crap, it wouldn't sell and wouldn't be on the market. And yet look, the PlayStation and Xbox brands are still on the market. Oh golly gee. They must be doing something right.
". A lot of what they say makes sense, they just don't look at everything with only Nintendo goggles, but as an industry as a whole."
No, a lot of their garbage doesn't make sense, except in outdated 'industry' logic. I'll use burgers as an example. Here is a classic complaint of his.
"Wii 3rd party software doesn't sell as well as 3rd party software on the 360 and PS3". If you just look at sales figures, you might think he's right, but there are several things he's forgetting: 3rd party support overall is crap compared to the HD consoles. Here is what he should be saying.
"The lackluster 3rd party support on the Wii doesn't sell as well as the far superior 3rd party support on the 360 and PS3". Anyone with any common can see that this makes complete sense. Wii ports tend to be inferior to even PS2 ports (if they exist), so Wii gamers don't buy into it. Why does Burger expect lazy and inferior Wii games to sell as well as the 'real' games? It doesn't help that we can't even get ports, but spin-offs, in different genres (Dead Space as a light gun game was dead on arrival, regardless of platform).
So I will say it again, they are either trolls or very illogical thinkers.
" And yet look, the PlayStation and Xbox brands are still on the market. Oh golly gee. They must be doing something right. "
They are only still on the market because they have been bailed out. The PS3 is still not making a profit 3 years later. If it weren't for them subsidizing their hardware, there wouldn't be HD platforms on the market.
I do find it hilarious you think bleeding billions is "doing something right", but do continue to act like you know what you're talking about.
You have to spend money to make money. In the end, you win as the consumer most times. Fanboys on here remind me of people who think any car NOT made in America is crap and will break down going 10 miles down the road. Yet Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. still sell and a lot vehicles of their models easily outperform and outsell their American cousins.
But when it boils down to it at the end of the day, competition is needed for ALL industries. An industry ruled only by Nintendo would suck. An industry ruled only by Sony would suck. An industry ruled only by Microsoft would suck. Sure Sony and MS have both lost money on consoles, but like I said before, you have to spend it to make it.
Microsoft or Sony's consoles/handhelds have never been considered failures (only to Nintendo fanboys). Not even the PSP. For a handheld lacking heavy hitters like Mario and Pokemon, it's done well in it's own right. Nintendo has had the Virtual Boy and 64DD. Sega had the Sega CD and Saturn. Atari had... a lot.
So I would rather lose some money and still have a product that sells instead of losing money AND have my product fail in the market. It's economics.
Call it dumb of devs. or call it dumb of Nintendo.
If you want a recent example, Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers.
Big advertising campaign, heck, they bought out the Bon Jovi song for the commercials in Japan. It didn't sell very well on opening day.
If you argue this is because the Japanese market is fickle -- well, I would agree! And that's part of the problem, the Wii userbase in particular is very fickle. Anytime a 3rd party game gets released and it gets torn to shreds on the GoNintendo comments for missing this or that is pretty much proof of that.
As for HD, its still not important in the main scheme of things [not for another three or four years when it'll be near standard or actually], its the raw processing power of a gaming system developers crave. The lack of HD resolutions wouldn't level the 3 console playing field here at all, its all about the power.
Older games done with lesser graphics are just 'crap' now in a typical gamer's eyes, sadly. Tis one reason remakes / ports of older games are so popular this generation in particular methinks.
@Burgers
Yeah, Nintendo fans are probably the most fickle of the lot to be honest. The other two put up with what they get [for better or worse] and generally bicker amongst themselves.
The 'it didn't sell a million on launch day or in a single week' mentality is one I personally don't like either. Hasn't continued campaigns for the likes of MKW, WF and the like proven that a games shelve life can extend past a mere week or two?
Sure the choice for such could better [Nintendo], but long tail sales exist. More companies should do something similar methinks.
As for FFCC: TCB, I look forward to my pre-order, but pardon my probable dumbness here... but have Japan even heard of Bon Jovi anyway?
Is it? Or is it that those older games are so valued by gamers (who perhaps no longer own the original titles) that they're willing to pay for remakes such as Final Fantasy IV.
Besides, if older games aren't valued, how do you explain the Virtual Console?
This. 100%. VC is a huge success. FFVII is a top seller every week on PSN. Classic games live on through remakes and as downloadable titles. People still like them. People still play them. You can play both old games and new games.
It's all perspective. Sure some older games may not play as well as their modern day counterparts, but if you look at it with perspective, it was the best you could get back in the day.
It's like old TV shows. I still watch a lot of old sitcoms yet watch some modern ones.
Of course! It's those stupid customers fault, them and their preferences! Why, oh why can't they just line up and buy what we put out like good little wallets?
Sarcasm aside, we don't know that much about Crystal Bearers besides what has been shown in previews. It looks interesting, but it's still part of a spin-off series and very different from previous entries in the series.
Also, people seem to think of advertising and marketing as "magic bullets" for sales. All they do is make people aware of whatever product, they don't compel anyone to buy anything.
I really, really don't get this. Let me count the ways:
-Convince developers to bring their top games on Wii
Hmmm. That's odd. Because last I checked, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces, and Dragon Quest X, each one part of Capcom, Namco, and Square's (respectively) BIGGEST flagship series, are all coming 100% exclusive to Wii. Nintendo surely had to have SOMETHING to do with these games NOT coming to PS360 instead. These are TOP SELLING series' we're talking about here. And more and more, 3rd party exclusives are popping up on Wii all the time. The issue is quality ports, and that is devs. being lazy, nothing to do with Nintendo.
-Satisfy the core gamers
Really? No, I mean REALLY? Because I'm a "core gamer", I suppose, even though I hate these pointless labels. And I'm satisfied. And here's an interesting fact.
Mario Kart - 18.24 million
SB Brawl - 8.79 million
Mario Galaxy - 8.20 million
Twilight Princess - 5.36 m. (over 7 m. combined)
Lego SW - 2.86 m.
SP Mario - 2.83 m.
Sonic & Secret Rings - 2.08 m.
RE4 Wii - 1.63 m.
MP3 - 1.54 m.
SW: TFU - 1.38 m.
Tiger Woods 08 - 1.36 m.
Shaun White - 1.35 m.
CoD: WaW - 1.31 m.
Lego Indy - 1.31 m.
RE: Umbrella Chronicles - 1.30 m.
Tiger Woods 09 - 1.23 m.
CoD3 - 1.22 m.
Red Steel - 1.19 m.
Sonic Unleashed - 1.15 m.
Lego Batman - 1.13 m.
HotD 2&3 - 1.10 m.
Pro Evo Soccer 08 - 1.03 m.
Boom Blox - 1 m.
Fifa 08 - 980k
Monster Hunter 3 - 940k (Japan only figures, so far)
Madden 08 - 940k
SD vs. Raw 08 - 930k
Sega Superstar Tennis - 930k
Naruto: CoNR - 900k
Blazing Angels - 890k
Excite Truck - 890k
N4S: Pro Street - 870k
HP & The Order of the Phoenix - 850k
Madden 09 - 840k
Dragon Ball Z: BT3 - 830k
Rockstar Games: Table Tennis - 800k
Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity - 750k
de Blob - 740k
Wario Land - 700k
Punch Out - 660k
Samba de Amigo - 640k
Dragon Quest Swords - 620k
Namco Museum Remix - 530k
Top Spin 3 - 510k
Iron Man - 500k
No More Heroes - 450k
Bully - 420k
HotD: Overkill - 420k
Grand Slam Tennis - 410k
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn - 410k
Tales of Symphonia 2 - 400k
Crash of the Titans - 400k
Zack & Wiki - 370k
Sonic & the Black Knight - 360k
MadWorld - 340k
Tomb Raider: Underworld - 340k
MoH: Heroes 2 - 310k
The Conduit - 300k (and counting)
Elebits - 300k
SSX Blur - 300k
Okami - 280k (more than PS2, and counting)
Puzzle Quest - 280k
Nights: Journey of Dreams - 270k
Metroid Prime Trilogy - 250k (and counting)
Ghostbusters - 210k (and counting)
Muramasa - 150k (and counting)
Little King's Story - 130k (and counting)
And that's not even ALL of the top selling "core" titles. So yeah...sure does look like a whole lot of "core" gamers "not being satisfied".
-Be on date
What? What does Nintendo taking their own sweet time to make their OWN games polished and great, have to do with 3rd parties?
-Reproduce "eye-candy" graphics so s*** games can sell
See, you just spelled it out right there. A LOT of S**T games on PS3 and 360 sell because they LOOK good. And a lot of PS3 and 360 owners (not all, but a lot), buy games SPECIFICALLY because of how good they look graphically. That says nothing for the quality of the games, or "core gamers being satisfied".
Besides that, RE5, SFIV, Prince of Persia, The Orange Box, MW2, etc., all of those games and more could be done on Wii, with good looking graphics. Not HD, but good looking. Fact.
Wii has produced several "eye candy" games, and if you haven't noticed them, then you're not looking.
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