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- SUDA51 on creating NMH:DS - "It's like taking a sh!t. A lot of things influenced No More Heroes - things I saw, or heard, and something that came from inside. Something that needed to be eliminated from my body, like waste. That's why I created No More Heroes."
- better AI this time around
- enemies attack depending on their weapon class
- Travis will pilot a giant robot at some point
- game city has been scaled down a bit, but now sports HDR and motion blur
- city is one and a half times the size of the original
- SUDA51 on NMH mini-games "The reason that I put these elements in is that it's a challenge to make a game, and so I want too make the player feel challenges to even play the game..."
- SUDA51 on the future of No More Heroes "I think this is the last NMH that is going to be developed on Wii. To expand NMH to new possibilities, we need a new platform. Wii is a great platform, but we've done everything we can with it now."
July 1, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Wii
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No More Heroes DS CONFIRMED!
No, seriously.
Even if it releases on PlayStation 3, I wouldn't mind it. It would be great for the franchise to be expanced, and turn into a much bigger series. (I have a PS3 after all
Still No More Heroes works MUCH better on Wii, than on any other console. And considering that Wii HD is one or two years away, I think that this time gap is only enough for one game at most.
"- city is one and a half times the size of the original"
Sure that makes sense.
lol i can dream.
Where did you get the idea that there will be a Wii HD? Or are you taking shots at whats his name Patcher?
I only one a Wii so if No More Heroes leaves the Wii I am screwed. Can some one explain to me what the PS3/360 can do for No More Heroes?
There's never been good AI in any game ever.
NMH going to the 360 makes the most sense. I'd love to find out Nintendo took Suda aside and got him to make a launch title for their next system, but there's no telling how far away that is, and I'd rather have a new title than shackle him to Nintendo's platforms forever.
Guess we'll see.
Prettier cel-shading....that's about it.
Troll spotted.
Yeah that was all I could think of too.
It is goes to other systems I can see it just becoming anotehr button masher. At least on the Wii it is special XD
It's the same idea behind slapping Nike swooshes onto ten dollar shoes and selling them for $50.
Oh god, keep talking. You're digging your own grave and cementing your status as the village idiot on this place.
What else do you want to add to your resume?
Being confined with limited power is a problem, for heaven's sake New Super Mario Bros. Wii can't have WiFi multiplayer because supposedly that's it for the Wii.
If you HONESTLY, believe that more power on HD consoles doesn't equate to smarter AI then you are a fool. A foolish fool, if I may add.
I'd rather he just take a break from NMH after this game is released and bring it back next gen.
Best game ever confirmed!
You're totally missing my point, and that's because you have no clue what I'm talking about. More power will allow higher AI function ONLY IF the programmers are actually capable. And they aren't. They have budgets and deadlines, and absolutely none of them are be given the time to sit around to tweak ferociously smart AI.
They've got the power to do it. But they aren't doing it. I played the hell out of COD4, which was a highly polished game, and the best the AI could do was simply overwhelm me with superior numbers and not shoot at my teammates during campaign missions.
Instead they'd just sit back, all fire at me, lob a few grenades in my direction, and constantly spawn.
That's not good AI.
If you honestly believe power is the only hurdle in the way of good AI, you're clueless.
Considering all things, I think the statement can equally be interpreted as seeing the next NMH in the next Nintendo console...definitely a predictable movement, three games in the same series without enough reinvention is downer if the console is not changed, see God of War, Metroid Prime, Halo etc.
Let it go to other consoles, who cares.
I guess I did panic a bit, but honestly I could see this going to the HD Twins before the next Nintendo console came out.
That's because you're using a multiplatform title as an example.
But when the game is specifically designed to make the most out of the hardware for said console, we get for example a game like the Last Guardian on the Ps3.
I will concede for the time being....until the Last Guardian is released and I will be there to let you know that level of sophisticated AI isn't possible on the Wii.
More power = more room to breath in obviously.
I just thought you denied that claim, glad we got that misunderstanding out of the way. And you have to forgive me, there are characters on this website that are dead-set on hating the HD consoles.
I care since I only have a Wii. Not all of use have the money to have all three consoles -_-
Next game could be on the DS, PS3, 360, or even the PSP. I just hope it's a system I own is all (like the 360 or DS).
"Done everything we can with it"? Wii Motion+ confirmed?!
True. Then again, Call of Duty's AI has always been lackluster. Heck, the AI of F.E.A.R beats the crap out of a lot of other games for the PS3, 360, and Wii, and that was a game released in ****ing 2005.
On topic, I wouldn't be surprised if the next No More Heroes appeared on the next Nintendo console. However, I'd appreciate it if Nintendo made the Wii last as long as they can, as I'd like to wait a while before getting yet another console.
Nope, in fact he's been singing praise/interest over the 360's Project Natal. And Microsoft does have a habit of buying out Japanese developers with money (FF13, Ninja Gaiden, Blue Dragon) for example.
I'd be more worried about Microsoft buying out the new No More Heroes just to be an ass. Many Japanese developers are tired of Microsoft's business practises, I only hope our Suda is above the temptation of monay.
Two games and he think's he's hit every corner of the Wii? C'mon...
I only have the Wii as well,
and frankly the first game was a piece of poopie so much that I dont care to lose the franchise as an exclusive.
It brought nothing to the console.
So I dont see why people want to hold onto this like an anaconda to a meal during mating season.
Why does it suck? He never said that NMH is done on a Nintendo system, he just said they did all they could on the Wii. But with this one not coming out till 2010, and it take's two year's to make them, so the next one could conceivably come out in 2012 on Nintendo's next system. Either way, its no big deal where the next one comes out on. As long as NMH:DS does well on the Wii should be all that matters for now!
Someone giving their opinion and then backing it up with reasons isn't a troll, even if you don't like their opinion.
Someone calling another person an idiot and acting like it will be universally accepted the person they are mocking sucks just because they are the ones mocking them sort of sucks.
Maybe he won't be singing the praises of Project Natal when he realizes MS don't know how to make it do the things it showed at E3.
http://gonintendo.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=7045
Let him focus on Natal: he will be wasting his time.
MrBubbles accuses people of being trolls a lot. I think he just likes to pull that word out of his butt just because anyone who doesn't like 360 or PS3 is instantly a troll to him. I'm not worried about him seeing this message since I found out recently he put me on his foe list (why he did it is beyond me, not once did I ever really insult him) so he can't see any of my messages anyway. I don't "foe" anyone since I want to see all comments.
@MrBubbles
Lolz, I just mentioned that! Of course you wouldn't know because you can't see me! *must resist urge to ninja troll*
Sure it brought something to the console. It brought what I felt was a very funny game that appealed to my inner 13 year old XD It had just enough story to interest me, but it never got to serious.
I am sorry you didn't enjoy the game, but some of us did and believe it should be kept on the Wii.
Are you implying the quality of the game isn't on-par with those or they'll have to fund more money into making them very good looking?
Gameplay wise there are a couple quirks about NMH1 but the package still comes out on-top.
Presentation, the game wasn't very good eye pleasing, there was too much shadow everywhere.
Oh and Gra.sshoper (not sure why it shows censored, wtf) developed Fatal Frame IV while under the supervision of Tecmo, they're not as small as you would think.
Have you you about Halo Reach possibly using Natal? I loled when I read that yesterday.
What would you [and anyone else here] think about it if it happened?
Yeah... I've never played the NMH series guys. Sorry. This sounds more interesting to me than RS2 [even if this doesn't look to be using WM+]?
I'm with you. Everyone wants to play in the pool, but forget their are bigger fish over there. Only real great games like Mario, and Halo could sale well on other systems.
I would almost be happy honestly if it used it because that would mean that MS magically made this into a finished thing.
When Mac OS X was announced and what features it would have, MS announced 'Longhorn' with features that would leave OS X in the dust and delayed it years and years until it finally came out with half the features, to be universally hated as 'Vista.'
Same thing here.
When did I even mention Gra-sshopper?
Sorry, wrong person! :3
@Tradint2000
I don't think Nintendo has any reason to work on a new console, look at how the Ps2 did over it's 9+ years. The only upgrade that got was a smaller iteration, if anything I would think Nintendo would dish out a smaller Wii with more internal memory.
Hell yeah! I'm already imagining rampaging through the streets of Santa Destroy, shooting up dudes!
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"The game's city has been scaled back a little bit, improved visually with motion blue and HDR lighting. Suda says it's closer to the game he wanted to deliver originally. Edge says the city is a lot more lively and the streets more populated. He describes it as one-and-a-half times the original."
So, in terms of land mass, the city is smaller. In terms of content, it's much bigger. HDR lighting, for one, which is normally only found on the HD consoles.
NMH will bomb on ps360 environment.
Translation: My game isn't selling that well on the Wii so if I put it on the ps3/360 then I'll be able to make more monies!!!
Patcher, yes.
But either way, it makes a lot of sence, if you think about it.
I wouldn't lose respect of him, but I'd be a little sad about the franchise leaving Wii. If it hit DS then that's ok, but even then it just wouldn't feel right
Anyway, even if NMH does go to the HD twins, I probably wont pick up anymore outside of the last one on Wii (Desperate Struggle). However, every game other game Suda puts out on Wii or DS will be games I MUST buy!
Suda, please explain this statement. You haven't even taken full advantage of the Wii platform yet.
It will still sell like poop if on other consoles, like all of his games.
Bullshit Suda, you have not in any way pushed the Wii to it's limits. It is a bit saddening that NMH won't be Wii exclusive anymore. If you wanted to make games on the HD twins, then just make a completely new IP. But if you must move it to a new platform, then make it for the PS3.
With those words, he sure as hell better use Motionplus in this one.
You hear me /v/ posters here? Don't Pirate that s*** actually buy it.
Also, smaller overworld=phew...
A new system? This gen has been going on for like 2 years, totally to early. I rather if this gen was near a decade long.
Unless Nintendo wanna pull a DS Lite/DSi on us and make an updated version of the Wii, but be sure to allow us to trade in our regular Wiis for it.
It is hard to think much of the comment about it being the last one on the Wii for several reasons.
Gr-a-s-s-hopper takes freaking ages to make their games, so it isn't going anywhere.
Being on a HD platform would offer them nothing, except a higher resolution. They haven't even tapped what the Wii can do, and the combat would be nowhere near as visceral on a regular controller. No M+ on those platforms either.
The first NMH was disgusting on a technical level, the Dreamcast could have run better. This guy is not technically minded.
His games sell best on the Wii, NMH is proof of that. Killer 7 did better on the Gamecube too, the PS2 crowd didn't even touch it.
Be fair, the first game was actually quite good looking and it had a LOT of enemies on screen, all animated and programmed.
I'm just excited to play the sequel to one of my favorite Wii games (with a ton of improvements according to Nintendo Power, including 50 bosses!).
I think his approach is this:
First, he made 2 NMH for Wii and see if it works well. However, the sales are very disappointing.
Now, he make the, let's say third and fourth on PS3 and XBox 360, and if the sales are good, he would probably make NMH back to Wii due to PS360's high development cost. At then, not only Wii's sales are high, the sales for NMH on Wii will probably be high too.
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