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September 18, 2009 by The News Team
Filed Under: Wii, Nintendo in general
Our friends at Nintendojo say that they've gotten a confirmation of a Wii price drop to $199. Details on where the info came from is below.
Wii will be reduced to $199, effective Sunday, September 27th, and will likely include retailers nationwide. The confirmation was made during a retailer conference call today where a Nintendojo staffer was in attendance.
I have no reason not to trust the gang at Nintendojo, so I think we're looking at a done deal here. On top of all that, how many more retailer flyers do we need to see before everyone is convinced!?
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If so, that's pretty neat.
Agreed, as you know. ._.
I continue to hope that this is for the depletion of stock of the existing SKU to prepare for a new SKU that will replace it at $250.
I get the feeling that it won't be.
Why. They never lost money selling the system. What's it matter. They still aren't losing money on the system.
And we'll all "... sure."
That is not the point. A price drop is simply not necessary. It's completely "red ocean".
In other news, I'm totally tired of hearing about oceans. And how is a price drop anything but good?
Nintendo doesn't know what ocean they're in.
Beyond which, price cuts are only a temporary fix. I don't know what Nintendo's planning.
... lol. That just clearly shows that you don't really know what you are talking about.
Not a mistake at all. They needed a little momentum going into the holidays. MS has odst now and ps3 got the price drop, so it gets them a little boost. And keeping the system at $250 for 3 years wasn't exactly helping to put people over the edge who hadn't bought one yet.And figure withing 2 years we will probably see a console or revision, so it wouldn't make sense for them not to start dropping the price after more than half way through the cycle.
Just admit it Nintendo!
It's Nintendo's job to boost value on their hardware by putting out compelling experiences for consumers. Cutting the price still does not help the situation since price cuts only get the people sitting on the fence to cave in. It's only a temporary solution.
It makes even less sense considering the huge software coming soon, especially NEW Super Mario Bros Wii.
How is that not a mistake? I think you miss the point of what a price drop actually is, as ModertMrGreen already pointed out, it's a temporary fix to maintain momentum.
Microsoft is a wonderful example - the only way they kept the 360 afloat in this generation was cutting the prices of the different SKUs constantly and selling it under value because the broad audience was not interested in it.
That this strategy is not completely working is clearly noticeable.
Price drops are unavoidable at some point in a console's cycle, I am not going to lie. But a price cut of the Wii does not make sense at THIS POINT.
It is a mistake. They have NSMB:Wii and Wii Fit Plus for momentum into the holiday season. A price drop after the holidays would have been the perfect time to do this, not not.
Look at PS3 sales last week, they are seeing worldwide sales drops up to 64% in Japan. Price drops are a short term solution, what Nintendo needs is a long term one.
Nintendo better have a new bundle at regular price planned, for their own good.
Um, no. You could get a 360 Pro version, a system that is graphically superior and has WAAAY better online, and a huge hard drive, for the same exact price! Not to mention you could get a PS3 for just 50 bucks more. Sorry, but Nintendo really needs this price drop to get at least some money.
...but hey, the gamers don't matter rite!? Not so long as there's a company to worship!!!1one
just trollan.
@Inneverate
"A price drop after the holidays would have been the perfect time to do this, not not."
Now that, I can agree with.
@King_of_Link
Their perspective is that the Wii is targeted towards a different audience, different people with different ideas of what they want in a console. I can't say I disagree with that.
However, I do believe that the PS3 and 360 are starting to slowly make themselves a viable alternative for people with those kinds of values. A price cut may not have been necessary at this current point and time, though, because neither of the other two consoles have really reached that point yet. (By the way, Innervate, that's what I had meant the entire time during our last discussion, so ya know.)
The Wii is does not share the same values as the 360 and PS3. The expanded audience don't find anything attractive on the other systems, so even if they were a hundred dollars they will still go with the Wii.
The core buys the Wii to supplement their HD consoles, and the fanatic hardcores hates everything the Wii stands for and will not even consider it.
"and the fanatic hardcores hates everything the Wii stands for and will not even consider it."
No offense, but there's so much talk about fanaticism here that folks don't even realize a lot of it comes from their own camp. Not necessarily talking about you or anyone else in particular - it just seems as though a lot of you just looooove to rip on owners of other systems and lump 'em into categories, when ya hate how often many of them do the same.
Ever thought about the target audiences?
No one cares about HD or a hard drive or online capabilities.
But...the Wii really isn't worth $250...
I don't see how this is a bad idea. They're still making money off of each Wii sold, and doing this right before the holidays and the release of WF+ and NSMBWii means a bunch of new Wii owners, the "temporary fix" purchasers, will be looking at the shelves wondering what to buy. And viola, there will be two new games that just scream 'casual friendly.' Seems sound to me.
But then, I don't read about oceans, so I could be totally off.
@Andeh
Something I think a lot of people don't consider, though, is that a lot of non-gamers go into a store like Best Buy and GameStop with little knowledge of systems, and rely on an employee to help make the best decision. And most of the time, someone working in that department or store is going to be a passionate gamer with a lot of knowledge of the various systems' features. So they're most likely going to pitch the 360 over the Wii if they're both the same price, and if they list off the specs, the 360 is a way better deal.
You know, except for a lot of us gamers. I'm not gonna claim we're the majority, but we still exist. We're certainly not 'no one', and the proof of that is in the fact that there's still a market in the systems and games that appeal to us. It might not be the majority this gen, but it certainly ain't dying either.
Then again, I guess I'm just splitting hairs, 'cuz the Wii isn't necessarily targeted directly towards us like the other two systems are anyway.
@Garfitor
I think the price drop will contribute to sales. Most people who truly wanted a Wii at its old price point already have one, I'd guess - regardless of whether or not they're competing with other console makers, consumers still care about good deals regardless = perhaps enough so that those who were on the fence or putting off the purchase before become interested enough this holiday season to finally purchase a Wii.
I think Nintendo knows what they're doing here.
Then again I'm not Nintendo's finical adviser so it really doesn't matter what I think...
True that. And Nintendo fans also seem to be the most anti-Nintendo too [from my two+ year experience here at least].
The other two pretty much bicker among themselves and ignore the Wii community.
As for the news, good for the couple hundred souls that don't have a Wii yet...?
I don't see this spiking noticeable sales tbh, since the logical road forward for Wii sales is down now.
After a few years on the market, console sales become second fiddle to software sales, in my personal opinion
"But then, I don't read about oceans, so I could be totally off."
Sarcasm like that is really not needed.
I think it's a general problem with gamers nowadays that they do not understand Nintendo's philosophy at all.
@WhatCD
Ever saw some of the stats about how many of the 360/PS3 users actually use their consoles on HD equipment? Less than a half of them. At the moment I am unable to supply a source but the point should be quite clear - not even the group that was targeted by the HD twins was ready for it yet and does not make full use of the system capabilities.
It's sad to see that the point of "gaming" was lost in the gamer's minds about the time when online gaming on consoles became a standard.
Yeah, I've seen the stats. Get this. The other two consoles have a lot more going for them than visuals/resolutions - most anyone who owns one will tell you that. The appeal is in more than the HD capabilities, and I know quite a few people who appreciate the fact that those HD capabilities are there. Again, it's not as though 'nobody' cares about these kinds of thing. Apparently not as many as the Wii, but last I checked, half of 52 million still isn't a small number.
I don't like how downplaying the Wii's successes is such a crime around GoNintendo when folks here do it all the time in regards to the other two consoles. And I especially don't like assumptions that 'oh, well, these guys must not care about gameplay, anyone who buys these consoles doesn't do it for the gameplay'. Most people still buy games to have fun with them, believe it or not.
Same here.
I am not saying that. But the arguments are always - "Well d'uh, the 360 has HD, the PS3 has a hard drive".
I'd love to see other arguments for these consoles for a change because it's a bit disappointing that a majority of the HD Twin's userbase doesn't even recognize the advantages their preferred systems offer gaming-experience wise.
Someone like the average guy here will agree with that. It gives him/her more bang for the buck. And that's fine.
But when I say 'value,' I don't mean that. I'm talking about specific software and functions (like motion controls, accessibility, legacy titles, etc) that contribute to the growth of the platform.
I think it's pretty clear, then, that the average consumer aligns him/herself more towards the values offered by Wii. This is why Wii is causing significant growth; these people would never have enjoyed video games because the existing consoles don't give them something that appeals to them and their lifestyles.
Precisely.
@Inneverate
I think the problem is that Nintendo doesn't have any software to bring in "new" gamers this holiday season.
Last year was Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus is a continuation of that already.
I would think(just my guess) that most people interested in NSMBWii already own a Wii.
I don't think a price drop now is necessary, especially with how much $$$ they are making per unit. If I were them, I would have waited until after the holiday season at least.
But in the case of NSMB Wii I must point to the precedent set by Mario Kart Wii when compared to Mario Kart DS. NSMB Wii is likely set for similar success based on NSMB DS.
seriously, motion plus seems like a last second attempt to combat whatever nintendo thought microsoft/sony would announce at e3 08. then it didnt happen, and nintendo decided theres no point. all they have developed for the thing since e3 08 is a compilation of minigames (and spawn smasher) that just saw release in july.
so what i think is either nintendo is not planning on supporting the peripheral that much, or they will be releasing a new console sooner than you think that supports the wii remote and motion plus, and the games they are developing now that use it are actually games for nintendo's next console.
Guess which of the current console manufacturers haven't started a premium/budget title brand?
Sony - Greatest Hits
Microsoft - Platinum
Nintendo - lol idk my bff ds prints money?
GC had Players Choice and so did GBA, Wii and DS first party titles don't get MSRP mark downs.
"I'd love to see other arguments for these consoles for a change because it's a bit disappointing that a majority of the HD Twin's userbase doesn't even recognize the advantages their preferred systems offer gaming-experience wise."
That can be said regarding the audiences of all three consoles this generation. Sales show just that. How many games that truly make the most of the Wii sell well? How many of those aforementioned games sell like many of the games that don't live up to the Wii's potential and end up selling unbelievably anyway? Yet, when that happens on the Wii, we're told to respect those new gamers, since they're having fun with the games. And I agree with that. How come that can't be the case with owners of the other two consoles?
Now, most of the people I know who own HD systems do try to max 'em out. Game-wise. Feature-wise. They have 'em online, they're playing lots of the games, getting connected, enjoying themselves. Isn't that the point of gaming?
If I'm misunderstanding you, let me know.
I do think the PS3 and the 360 have the capability to appeal to people as 'value' consoles now, considering what they offer - and I also believe that they're slowly but surely moving to present folks the same kind of 'values' the Wii present. Whether or not it's enough to get any of the Wii's audience interested is a whole nother argument - I'm just saying that it may not be a bad idea for Nintendo to back up their 'values' with actual value - after all, everyone's pockets are tighter lately.
Dude, I wasn't meaning to sound insulting or anything. I'm serious. I don't read about Nintendo's business strategies, so I'm just admitting my lack of knowledge in that area. I certainly didn't think that was reason for you to totally dismiss what I said. :\
@MrBubbles
Gah, you have no idea how much that bugs me. I hate paying full price for games. I generally wait to buy them after a price drop or two. I'm missing out on quite a few first-party offerings because of no Players Choice.
I agree that Nintendo doesn't have a new proposition for the end of the year this time. I think personally that they're buying themselves some time while they prepare Wii Vitality and whatever else they're working on.
However, looking at what NSMB DS did for DS and how traditionally Mario 2D platformers perform, I think NSMBWii will provoke some kind of significant Wii growth. But we'll see.
In any case, they could have waited until NSMB was out to see how it performs first.
But then when will it make sense? When new hardware is out the door? I mean it had to come eventually. And different audiences or not, everyone sees each console on the shelf together. Now they may know what they want already, but even having the others there, especially for someone who is buying it for a kid and doesn't know anything at all abut any of them, is going to at least take a look at the other two. I don't think there was any way to hold off a price drop at least until next holiday, especially if the whole "Wii HD" thing is true.And I don't have a hard time believing its coming, especially with the dsi strategy.
they can just pay the penalty fee for breaking NDAs noone really cares anymore it's all about the scoop.
@Andeh
Here's that article about the failure of HD transition, and how people aren't using the component cables.
It's also funny to note that the PS3 slims don't come with anything more than AV cables now because of this fact.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/d ... -editorial
I think the fact that price cutting is even an option now might be because of a possible Motion plus bundle in the works, with possibly WSR.
Reason being is because WSR has everything set in place to make Wii Sports completely obsolete.
Why does WSR have Wii Sports games included in it? bowling was good enough in the original, right?
"In other news, I'm totally tired of hearing about oceans."
That's odd, because Nintendo has spoken nonstop about Blue Ocean strategy since 2004 or so and no one except Malstrom paid any attention to it.
I have to disagree with the assertion that there's no software to bring in new customers this holiday season though.
Wii Sports Resort is certainly capable of that, and I believe that it was released later than Wii Fit was last year (or am I mistaken)?
Also, from what I understand, Wii Fit Plus completely replaces the standard Wii Fit Bundle, so yes, Wii Fit Plus can potentially bring in new gamers.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii will be an absolutely incredible bridge game that can carry momentum through some of 2010. I expect it to easily surpass Mario Kart Wii.
Bridge software like Mario Kart Wii and NSMBWii are what excite me most as a player. So I'm really looking forward to people picking up Wii and enjoying themselves with NSMBWii. Especially kids who didn't experience that Mario goodness back on NES and SNES. I hope they'll have a lot of fun with it.
And yes. Nintendo definitely has a strong line-up this winter, and I think that one of my earlier posts implied that I didn't believe that. Wii Sports Resort is a very important motion control title, Wii Fit Plus is incredibly attractive for existing customers and has additional functions that I believe can attract new players to Wii Fit (and Wii, resultantly).
And then NSMBWii is a behemoth. That one will be selling for a long, long time.
Not necessarily. If you understand basic economics you would understand what they're doing.
Nintendo believes that the market that believes the Wii is worth $250 is already tapped out.
Yes if you're a console warrior it may look like it's the wrong way but from a business sense it's not right or wrong. It's just a business practice.
In reality the value of the console now increases to some users because for some it was not worth it but now it may be.
From Nintendo's point of view it's actually a much better thing to do as well. Nintendo has higher quality standards and less development teams. It's much better for Nintendo to use this practice to stall while developing their titles.
The one thing about Mario Kart Wii, from the "casuals" that I know that play it, they actually enjoy playing their friends and family online in the game.
NSMBWii doesn't have online functionality...though I do believe it'll sell millions of copies, but I don't see it catching Mario Kart Wii(if it does, that's incredible).
I also wouldn't attribute WSR to helping move many more consoles, unless it's bundled with the console. The original Wii Sports is what sold many people on the Wii. They bought the system and got the game they wanted with it, they didn't have to go and buy another game.
I associate WSR along with the Wii Fit Plus type games.
You have this backwards.
From a business perspective it can be very, very wrong.
"In reality the value of the console now increases to some users because for some it was not worth it but now it may be."
That's not a value increase. That's a lowering of value. If a customer wouldn't buy a Wii at $250, but would buy it at $200, then it is partially Nintendo's fault. Nintendo should have convinced the customer that the Wii was worth it at $250, and that the system is continuously worth that amount.
Do you realize that Nintendo actually raised the price of the DS when it released the DSi? Also, Nintendo software has NOT gone down in price. Smash Bros. is still $50. Very odd that hardware gets lowered but not software.
Also, Wii Fit Plus is replacing Wii Fit, yet, once again, Nintendo is raising the price by $10 if you decide to get the Balance Board.
"I also wouldn't attribute WSR to helping move many more consoles, unless it's bundled with the console."
Why not? Wii Fit wasn't bundled with the console, and don't you think it moved consoles?
Wii Sports Resort SHOULD be bundled with the Wii. I agree with that. The question is what to bundle with the black Wii though. Super Mario Bros. just doesn't seem to fit in with the all black color scheme.
"NSMBWii doesn't have online functionality...though I do believe it'll sell millions of copies, but I don't see it catching Mario Kart Wii(if it does, that's incredible)."
New gamers don't have the same values as you. Online has nothing to do with it.
This statement is nothing revolutionary, ingenious, or unusual:
New Super Mario Bros. Wii will crush Mario Kart Wii in lifetime sales.
There is a reason it doesn't need online. As soon as any family or friend sees someone playing Mario Bros. and they learn it is multiplayer, they will instantly pick up any extra remote and join in. It will be contagious.
It's better to avoid using a misnomer such as "casual." That term is meant to keep you fighting with new gamers when you should instead be fighting against these damn publishers who want to force digital distribution up your asses so you can't actually own a game.
Unless of course they want to miss their projections by 10 million and have their stocks price drop to abysmal levels. They are already 4 million down Fiscal year over Fiscal year, yet they expect to sell the same amount than last fiscal year.
With Wii sales being 40% - 50% down weekly from last year, the 4 million gap is constantly growing. If they don't drop the prices they will be in deep trouble.
This is true.
"The lack of games throughout a whole year really killed momentum."
This is not true to the extent you're referring to all of 2008 (which I'm not sure if you are). Remember, Mario Kart, Smash Bros. and Wii Fit were all released in early to mid 2008 and quite obviously carried momentum. The problem is period between those games and Wii Sports Resort.
Wii Music and Animal Crossing failed.
"If they don't drop the prices they will be in deep trouble."
This is false. Price cuts only increase sales short term. And if history teaches us anything it's that New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit Plus and Wii Sports Resort alone should be enough to drive momentum well into 2010.
Besides, do you have any idea what kind of revenue Nintendo generates from DS sales? Nintendo doesn't sell Wii consoles at a loss like Microsoft and Sony do with their consoles.
The only people in trouble are the HD twins.
Therefore they are dropping the price, and contrary to what you believe, they know a lot more than you about the market, so if they think dropping the price is the right thing to do, they are obviously more credible than you will ever be.
And WSR hasn't helped at all, which means it's selling mostly to Wii Sports owners considering that Wii HW sales have been going down steeply since the launch of the game.
Wii Fit+ will be the same story, maybe even worse considering that they have raised the price and it's not even a new game at all, but an expansion.
It's funny, because if you look at the charts, you will notice that Nintendo is the only company making money from it's hardware right now.
Nintendo have said they are not competing with the other consoles, this proves that to be a lie. The Wii still has the same value it always has had, due to the experience and unique games on offer, the hardware quality and the other features like free online and WiiWare/VC.
This is just tossing away money if true, as the momentum hasn't decreased and has even risen with the help of Wii Sports Resort.
Is this good for the (quite hard to imagine) consumer that hasn't got a Wii yet? Yes. I on the other hand have always said that what we need are games, even the niche ones because they last forever while price cuts are fleeting.
'New Super Mario Bros. Wii will crush Mario Kart Wii in lifetime sales.'
I disagree, it won't set anywhere near MK Wii's sales, noR push many Wii's IMHO. The same story has already happened with WSR, and WFP won't be far behind it I predict.
'It's better to avoid using a misnomer such as "casual." That term is meant to keep you fighting with new gamers when you should instead be fighting against these damn publishers who want to force digital distribution up your asses so you can't actually own a game.'
I wholeheartedly agree with this, though. Gamers are such suckers in this respect, really.
I still feel Nintendo knows exactly what they're doing, and as consumers we should be happy about this as competition in price is just beneficial to us, and we should appreciate that rather than analyzing if it was the best possible move.
Maybe if they had more than ONE big first party game for Christmas (New Super Mario).
Who needs Uncharted 2, Assassins Creed 2, Madern Warfare 2, etc?
I remember it well it was at that E3 04 wasn't it...teasing "revolution"(aka Wii) and GBA DS was announced...
That was some years ago....and the price they lowered it to $99.99! ...it was $99.99!
So let us summarise so to speak. The Wii is roughly twice as powerful as the Gamecube(hence that er not so famous? dev comment "two gamecubes ducktaped together"
Do the math 99.99+99.99 = 199.98 hmm I think the price drop will be the PERFECT price for the Wii, don't you?
From here on out this price needs not be changed unless microsft and sony get even MORE deperate and looney crazy...
PS3 for $100 or Xbox360..never..wont ever happen officially...but the Wii may get there eventually sometime in its lifecycle.
I dare say Nintendo continues proper support for Wii(even still releasing games for it) years beyond the release of the HD successor.
The GameCube was already at $99 at this point in time.
Less than two years after the GameCube was released in North America, it was at $99 MSRP.
Basically six months after it's release, Nintendo dropped the price down to $149.99 MSRP for the GameCube.
If the Wii is only double the power of the GameCube, a $99 Wii at this time should be possible...but not probable.
"Maybe if they had more than ONE big first party game for Christmas (New Super Mario)."
read the holiday release list. there's definitely more than one game that's worth picking up for the holidays.
@GWXworld
"From here on out this price needs not be changed unless microsft and sony get even MORE deperate and looney crazy..."
Well if history says anything they will start dropping the prices until finally the next console gen starts and then you're going to see the same thing you saw with the 30 dollar xboxes and the 99 dollar ps2s.
also Natal and the PS3 wand haven't released yet. I'm starting to think that they'll most likely raise the price of a bundle with these options included, then cut the prices violently if the skus aren't moving like they think they should to cut their losses.
@DoubleDragon
"It's better to avoid using a misnomer such as "casual." That term is meant to keep you fighting with new gamers when you should instead be fighting against these damn publishers who want to force digital distribution up your asses so you can't actually own a game."
agreed, But then again that's the whole point. 'keep the fanboys so riled up that they don't see what's going on'. Fortunately with the digital distribution issue gamers are starting to wise up to this.
I said 1st party. I'm picking up several third party offerings (Boy and His Blob, Call of Duty: MW, maybe Drawn to Life and Rabbids).
Nintendo themselves need to make more freakin games. It's great that we got Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, and Metroid within a few months, but last Christmas we got Animal Crossing rehash, and where are new 'hardcore' IPs? Where's Kirby/StarFox/Wave Race/Pilotwings/F-Zero/Kid Icarus/1080/Donkey Kong/Earthbound?
Anyone who thinks that the Wii is last generation hardware is deluding themselves. $250 for cutting-edge motion technology sold 50 million worldwide. They're practically giving it away now.
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the tech is hardly 'cutting edge'. How they've applied it could be described as such (even though it certainly doesn't show in most of the Wii's titles), but it's still last generation hardware at it's core.
Anyone who argues that is delusional. Not to say that I agree with Guess_who either - value is decided by the consumer, after all.
I think a $250 bundle with Wii Sports Resort in place of Wii Sports, and a Wiimote with integrated Motion Plus would have been a better move than this, but it's true that the system has been overpriced based on its technology. This hasn't been a problem so far because the expanded audience largely don't know or don't care about tech specs and just know somebody is making software they like. For that reason, I understand it selling for $250, but $200 is really a more fitting price for the technology. Saying they're "practically giving it away" by charging $200 for an enhanced Gamecube with a couple extra bits added to the controller is really a bit silly. The motion technology is basically a couple cheap accelerometer chips, an extremely low-res infrared camera module, and a few LED's on the "sensor bar". If you want to talk about giving hardware away, that's more Sony and Microsoft's territory.
I'd post a rebuttal to your comment, but the two people above me already did a commendable job. :3
This is a meaningless statement meant to insult me because you disagree with me.
Price cuts do not drive up sales long term.
And it's not a question of my credibility, though Nintendo's credibility is in question. It said it was following the philosophy of Blue Ocean Strategy and Disruption. Price cuts do not fit in with that strategy. Nintendo is abandoning its established strategy. The question is why. There are several good suggestions as to why Nintendo is doing this.
"And WSR hasn't helped at all"
I'm sorry, but this has to be your most ignorant statement so far. Do you have any clue how Nintendo software sales work with the expanded audience?
They don't have massive initial launches and then suddenly drop off like third-party titles on the Xbox 360.
It is way to early to tell if Wii Sports Resort is going to increase Wii sales. We won't know until we get well into the holiday season. I think Wii Sports Resort will help. But that's just my prediction.
"Wii Fit+ will be the same story, maybe even worse considering that they have raised the price and it's not even a new game at all, but an expansion."
This statement has no merit.
Assuming you haven't picked up a Balance Board yet, the $10 increased price tag can be justified by the fact that you get both the full Wii Fit software and the expanded content in Wii Fit Plus. It's obviously worth more.
But if you already have a Balance Board, the "expansion" is only $20.
"I disagree, it won't set anywhere near MK Wii's sales, noR push many Wii's IMHO. The same story has already happened with WSR, and WFP won't be far behind it I predict."
I respect that you disagree at this point, but I want you to just look at the sales of New Super Mario Bros on the DS. Take a close look. It has surpassed Super Mario Bros. 3.
So why would you expect New Super Mario Bros. Wii to behave any differently?
Again, it is too early to tell what effect Wii Sports Resort will have. Expanded audience titles don't behave according to traditional logic.
"I respect that you disagree at this point, but I want you to just look at the sales of New Super Mario Bros on the DS. Take a close look. It has surpassed Super Mario Bros. 3"
The Wii and the DS are two completely different systems. They may have the same audience in mind, but I doubt NSMB Wii is going to sell half as quickly as NSMB DS did.
This is where your criticism is flawed (and please don't take that as a personal attack).
It's not that New Super Mario Bros. sold quickly. That's not at all the case.
It's that New Super Mario Bros. sold CONTINUOUSLY.
Have you noticed that it's still in the top 20 charts? Even to this day?
"The Wii and the DS are two completely different systems."
That statement isn't provably true or false and doesn't mean anything.
Brain Age. Nintendogs. Wii Fit. Wii Sports.
Different systems, similar, exceptionally high sales.
"Nintendo themselves need to make more freakin games. It's great that we got Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, and Metroid within a few months, but last Christmas we got Animal Crossing rehash, and where are new 'hardcore' IPs? Where's Kirby/StarFox/Wave Race/Pilotwings/F-Zero/Kid Icarus/1080/Donkey Kong/Earthbound?"
wasn't there just talk about a new pilotwings game in the works. I know the gliding option in WSR has a serious pilotwings feel too it.
as for Earthbound, you're on your own with that one. if you didn't download the translated mother 3 rom then I don't know what to tell you.
other than that I look at it as when they come out they come out.
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