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Pokemon Sun/Moon references IGN's Pokemon OR/AS 'too much water' comment

Now this is a great use of a meme. For those that don't know/remember, IGN's review of Pokemon OR/AS marked the game down for having 'too much water'. It's clear that Pokemon Co./Game Freak/Nintendo didn't forget that comment or the buzz that followed. As you can see above, Pokemon Sun/Moon makes reference to the review comment in its picture-taking aspect.

Categories: Media, Portables
Tags: 3ds, eshop, pokemon

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kuro
Tue Nov 15 16 11:01pm
Rating: 8

I never really understood the complaints. Yes, its a lot of water, but the way people talk about it makes it seem like you are in water for half of the main game, which is not the case. Its pretty much only for the climax ( 7th gym, evil team battle, 8th gym) that you are in water.

Ok i laugh, you win Pokemon Sun/Moon

Was that also a complain in the original versions? I'm honestly curious.

Tue Nov 15 16 10:49pm
Rating: 3 (Updated 1 time)

The water? Oh, totally. Hoenn being 50% water routes is the biggest and most constant complaint you'll hear about the region. Been like that since the original versions. Which is why I think it's a bit silly that people jump on IGN for saying that "Yeah, Hoenn still has a lot of water. That's still gonna be a turn-off for some."

kuro
Tue Nov 15 16 11:01pm
Rating: 8

I never really understood the complaints. Yes, its a lot of water, but the way people talk about it makes it seem like you are in water for half of the main game, which is not the case. Its pretty much only for the climax ( 7th gym, evil team battle, 8th gym) that you are in water.

I died laughing at your comment! XD

The complaint was more about too much reliance on water type HMs. Needing to have a Pokemon with 3 specific moves was silly.

I can't recall a pokemon game that doesn't make much use of the water HM moves. Almost every Pokemon game I've played made you use those HMs from midway onwards....

Dive is rarely needed, and I don't think Waterfall was needed a ton, only Surf is used a lot. It's more the fact that you can't just use one water HM to do everything, but then they couldn't gate off those sections. Your water pokemon definitely doesn't need three water moves, so now you need another slave just to climb waterfalls or dive. It's all over now with Sun/Moon thankfully.

If those two water moves are rarely used, then why complain about the HM moves? Infact,its not like the other games where the TM is gone after one use I think.

And surf is a very great water move except in double battles and triple battles of course....

Wed Nov 16 16 12:05pm
Rating: 1 (Updated 3 times)

The same reason people have complained about HM moves in general since day one, and cried tears of joy when we realized they won't be a thing in Sun/Moon: it sucks to be forced to have certain moves on your team that you don't wan because you're now limited in how you want to build your team. HM moves mean you're faced with three choices:
1) waste a valuable team slot and have a HM slave along for the ride throughout the entire adventure (I did this in ORAS)
2) constantly go to your PC to bring out a HM slave to do a five-second task (I did this in X)
3) divvy up the HM moves throughout your entire party (Did this when playing the games as a kid)

It's annoying and no one liked it. That said, it's a mark against ALL Pokemon games prior to Sun/Moon, not just Gen III. I loved Hoenn, and Linoone ultimately became a respected member of my ORAS team who solo'd an Elite Four member despite knowing only HM moves. But it admittedly feels more egregious in that region because you need three mandatory water-type moves. And no one wants to teach any Pokemon three moves of the same type.

Because you could be out in the middle of the ocean and need one of them but don't have it. So you have to fly to swap out pokemon and then trek all the way back to the random area where it was. Because it's not like it's right beside a flyable location. And back then you had to manually select repels, it didn't ask you after it ran out so even skipping all of the encounters has issues (unlike grass there's no safe spot in water).

Yeah, it sucks to need 3 or 4 specific moves. Like Flash, Strength, RockBreak, and Cut in the original games.

evil-c
Tue Nov 15 16 10:58pm
Rating: 2

Sigh.... back in 2003, I said to everyone I encountered who also played Ruby/Sapphire, that there was indeed too much water. It's like the internet had a collective memory failure and forgot that one of the reasons that generation was such a letdown was because the world had too much water.

This meme is so f-ing stupid, and one of the few times ign is right.

Of course it has "too much water". That's the freaking theme of those games: the clash between land and sea. Hoenn is an island, so it's obvious the amount of water surrounding it... or you wanted just lava? Jeez!

evil-c
Wed Nov 16 16 09:46am
Rating: 1

Why are you disagreeing with me when I clearly said the "too much water" criticism is correct? I hate what IGN has become but they're right about too much water. My 17 year old self knew there was too much water.
When did I ever say I wanted only lava? I know the theme of those games, it's the internet that forgot. Too much water in 2003, too much water in 2014, or whenever they came out.
You need better reading comprehension, I'm afraid.

shadowbuster
Wed Nov 16 16 10:28am
(Updated 1 time)

"Why are you disagreeing with me when I clearly said the "too much water" criticism is correct?" because that criticism is beyond absurd. Is it a sin that Game Freak decided to add more water to a game? And it's a shame that many people are agreeing to that. It's like when people criticized DE Human Revolution when they fixed the stealth for being "too stealthy".

I don't recall that. Then again... HM's was always a pain so I guess it didn't register as a new complaint. I just remember RS being too easy and the heartbreaking beginning of never catching em all unless you bought tons of games or an action replay/gameshark/etc

I remember wingulls, tentacools, and TOO MUCH WATER.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure everyone else thought that too at the time, but their contempt for IGN means they couldn't possibly agree with them, so they have to ignore it was a problem then (or that they had a problem with it).

"It's an island, it's supposed to have lots of water!"

That doesn't mean it was a good choice. If it makes the experience less fun that should be noted, duh.

"It's supposed to be bad/like that" (which in this case wasn't fun) isn't an excuse if it's not enjoyable. I recall it being a problem for me with the originals but didn't feel like it was such a nuisance in ORAS for whatever reason... but that was after I played it, not before.

vonter
Tue Nov 15 16 10:59pm
Rating: 1

Nintendo's humor is just like their console specs (severely dated)

Nah, more like Internet Explorer

The complaint was more about too much reliance on water type HMs. Needing to have a Pokemon with 3 specific moves was silly.

the opponent
Tue Nov 15 16 11:17pm
(Updated 1 time)

Remember last year when Nintendo attempted to use contemporary memes in a video game and everyone hated it because it wasn't "faithful to the original vision"? Why is it suddenly okay here? Did the Japanese version actually reference this same review or what?

This is just referring to the picture sharing aspect of the sun/moon, not text in the actual game itself. I'm pretty sure the Japanese version would have different, more appropriate text for their version.

Because with Fire Emblem Fates, massive amounts of story-related text was completely removed and replaced with jokes.

I guess you're also talking about Tri Force Heroes here? There, actual people in the game and books used memes, which is very jarring, because I don't remember any medieval people or books using memes. The image above is supposed to be something akin to an internet comment. Guess where you do find memes? Internet comments. And that's why something like this is much less jarring

Well that was a great example of an average score generating WAY more publicity than an 8.5 would have. The internet community jumped on the negative score pretty quickly though, and it seemed to generate a heap of defense for Nintendo.

As it should have. "Too much water" is like marking down Skyrim for "Too much snow".

This was shown WAAAAAAY back when they first showed the Poké Finder, I'm sure.

Just use max repel and the amount of water doesn't matter?

A few days ago I was joking with another person on another Board, Breath of the Wild will see most likely a new delay because Treehouse have to put more silly Meme-References in the english adaption. And here we are again, a Meme-Reference no one will remember in 10 years. I'm glad I will find such stuff not in the German Version. I'm overall glad NoE is cutting the Memes out of the European Versions.

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