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I, too, like making lots of money.

From what we've heard, Nintendo isn't really making a profit on the Switch Lite and it was really difficult to hit that $200 price mark.

Not just that but they recently upgraded the regular Switch to have better battery life due to the enhanced chip. I'd say the prices right now are pretty fair, and online deals for the system are good, so I have no problems with this.

I do wonder if we will get an enchanced Switch at a higher price point, and what that price point might be. Only time will tell.

psi wind
Sun Nov 10 19 11:54pm
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They aren't making much of a profit on the actual Switch as is. The return investment is about $20 per sold

Where is the source for this? I can't accept the reality that they charge a lot and get so little.

They'll have to do something to battle it out with the PS5 and Scarlet in a year's time.

Not necessarily. Considering how much tech it's being poured on those machines, they should cost at least $499 and many consider it likely to be $599. That would put them at a completely different price range than the Switch, especially the Lite

enthropy
Tue Nov 12 19 09:13pm
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How are they going to get 3rd party support, apart from mobile games and old ports, if they have nothing to fight it off with the PS5/Scarlet.

And Sony and S will NOT sell their consoles for 600 bucks. Sony screwed that up with the PS3.

So no! Nintendo HAVE to have at least a Switch "Pro". Zelda BOTW 2 aint gonna save it alone. It's doing great now, of course, but that's because the many great games. 3rd parties just have a lot to say.

There is no amount of power upgrade that will make the "switch pro" capable of running those games well. It's a whole other scale than what we have seen so far. So unfortunately 3rd party support will diminish.

The silver lining is that depending on how they will implement backwards compatibility on PS5/S, some companies might release games for both generations and those titles might run on the Switch.

$600 in 2006 is over $800 today (inflation). And that was a jump from $300 to $600 in launch price. We currently have the Xbox One X at $500 being a beast and most people accept it's an okay price, especially because the PS4 Pro is much weaker and costs $400. So $600 is much closer to reality than you might think.

Lastly, when people say Nintendo HAS to do something, they either don't do it or do It their own way.

There is no amount of power upgrade that will make the "switch pro" capable of running those games well. It's a whole other scale than what we have seen so far. So unfortunately 3rd party support will diminish

In that case, if they want to be relevant in the home console market, they should get back into the power race, not? They can't go handheld only since the home market is WAY too huge. ANd now with Stadia just around the corner...

The silver lining is that depending on how they will implement backwards compatibility on PS5/S, some companies might release games for both generations and those titles might run on the Switch

The most obvious, to me, is that there will be patches for PS4/XO games to look better on PS5/S and eventually there will be more and more games that will be developed for these consoles. Also from what I heard is that devs say that developing for the PS5 is real easy. Probably the same with Scarlet. The developers/publishers have spoken. Ninty are probably going to work with Nvidia for a long time, so porting will be harder for it than the other two. So the CoDs and FIFAs will absent yet again. And Nintendo knows very well they need those games also.

$600 in 2006 is over $800 today (inflation). And that was a jump from $300 to $600 in launch price. We currently have the Xbox One X at $500 being a beast and most people accept it's an okay price, especially because the PS4 Pro is much weaker and costs $400. So $600 is much closer to reality than you might think.

Sony just mentioned that they want to move the PS4 customers over to the PS5 in record time, so a very expensive console is way out of the question if they want that to happen. Unless, of course, they have some other tricks up their sleeves, but I doubt backward compability is enough. MS seem to fokus a lot on their service, but I am sure they have learned from their mistakes with the XO. Oh and Sony got a LOT of crap for the PS3's price point (and their arrogance).

Lastly, when people say Nintendo HAS to do something, they either don't do it or do It their own way.

Oh yes, and Nint have to do their own thing and it can work out great (Wii and Switch) but it can go down big time (U). The Wii U was a bit too much Nintendo for many third party devs. HEck, not even Nintendo got the full potential out of it sadly. Heck 2: Devs barely make good use of HD rumble which can be amazing if done well. But the gaming world has changed a lot the last years and 3rd parties have way more saying than ever. I don't want Ninty to ever be like the others. But I want Nintendo to do good, not just get by and that's where it is. Personally I'll get their systems as long as they have great features and, of course, those games. But there are millions upon millions of other gamers out there.

In that case, if they want to be relevant in the home console market, they should get back into the power race, not? They can't go handheld only since the home market is WAY too huge. ANd now with Stadia just around the corner...

1 - A Switch close in power to the next gen would be ridiculously expensive. And the heating issues would be enormous. AND they'd have to drop everything they have and lose their unique factor. I don't see that happening.

2 - Stadia will fail. It is deeply flawed and horribly priced.

So the CoDs and FIFAs will absent yet again. And Nintendo knows very well they need those games also.

Have we had any CoDs? Have any of the FIFAs been anything but an awful port and then copy and paste? Third Party support is important, but hyper realistic games won't be the way to go. If the Switch can barely run The Witcher 3, it won't run Cyberpunk 2077. Games that focus less on realism, such as Gods and Monsters, they will be on Switch and PS5/S

The most obvious, to me, is that there will be patches for PS4/XO games to look better on PS5/S

Ubisoft compared the release of the next Watch Dogs, Rainbow Six, and the new Gods and Monsters to the release of Black Flag. So I do believe there will be games that instead of patches will have many different boxes on the shelves.

Sony just mentioned that they want to move the PS4 customers over to the PS5 in record time,

Of course they do. They always do. But you can't make an all powerful console and charge $299 for it. And arrogant Sony is back. Either the console will be expensive and they believe people will switch fast because they have sold so many PS4s, OR they will find ways to strip the console of certain requirements to cut cost, such as proprietary SSDs that will be small in the console, but you can pay more extra to have the higher capacity SSD.

Oh yes, and Nint have to do their own thing and it can work out great (Wii and Switch) but it can go down big time (U).
In the past 15 years they've done their own thing with the DS, the Wii, the 3DS, the Wii U and the Switch. They got it right in 4 out of 5. I'd say it's a good track record. They will screw up sometimes. Because that's what happens when you try something new. Sony's screw-ups were caused by greed and arrogance.

No matter for how much the PS5 launches. It will arrive in Brazil at the price of half a car, so I have that to look forward to.

Sorry for the oh so late repy. I have been rather busy lately. The silly part of this grown up life, eh?

Now I think we are either misunderstanding each other or just have a very different view here, so I'll make tis post simple as possible (and I am tired anyway).

My bottom line is basically that the gaming world s changing and 3rd developers have way too much saying now. They can demand even what the PS4 and Xo and now PS5 and Scarlet was/will be. Also partially the Switch. That's how important 3rd parties ave become. The market is mostly focused on the mainstream gamers who want graphics and CoDs and boring, to me, stuff like that. So the reason the FIFAs and RDR2 etc doesn't hit the Switch is mostly power. Some say user base, but I don't think that argument holds up today as it did before.

The Switch is a GReAT console(hybrid at that) and we can all agree on that. And has some amazing games so far, and many more to come (Bayonetta 3 and Zelda Botw2 might be coming next year) and those can keep it floating good. But the gaming market is huge and vicious, so next year tey'll have to find some way to keep up the fight with Sony and MS... It's Nintendo, so they can do a lot of things, but they have to get 3rd parties to stay tuned.

I very hope you are right about Stadia. I just want that garbage out of the gaming world...

But that we can talk about in another episode.

Cheers.

Thanks for the reply. I know how adult life can be a pain.

I agree that third parties are important, but I don't believe they are all equally important. The likes of EA and Activision would only put their AAA games on a Nintendo console if it had the same specs of the other 2 and was easy to port. The fact that games such as The Sims and Plants Vs Zombies aren't on the Switch shows how much stupidity has gathered in EA's offices.

One way I can see Nintendo staying in the game is to let other studios work on their IPs, such as Ubisoft's Mario + Rabbids, and Capcom working on Zelda Oracles and Minish Cap. That could increase the number of IPs in use and not overburden their in-house development so that, among other things, the mystical being that is Pikmin 4 can finally come out.

See you on the next episode of "Random talks on Go Nintendo"

Cheers

I guess, in the end, we'll just have to wait and see. And that the Sims is NOT on te Switch is just plain stupid. It's like EA has a grudge... Really starting to think there's something true to that "Origin scandal".. Oh well, Nintendo needs 3rd parties and 3rd parties want power, so what will happen is unknown for us mortals. Sometimes I wonder if Nintendo even know what they are doing Smile

Oh well. Excited for the next episode!

Cheers

Here here!

At least Nintendo has been doing well with the Switch. And I don't know if they know what they are doing, but they do seem confident. If you check the Black Friday deals in the US, Sony is dropping PS4 by $100, andM$ the XBone by up to $150. Nintendo is adding Mario Kart to the $300 bundle and calling it a day.

The next episode should be released lat January when the next report comes out.

Happy holidays and happy gaming Smile

See you when I see you

The Switch can't compete with those two technically, however, it can compete for market share. It's the hottest thing now and will be well past the release of the new systems. The strength of Nintendo's current system has brought them back to their usual 6 year cycle which means they can afford to put their muscle behind a 2023 release of Switch 2. Get a tissue bro because your Switch Pro is a pipe dream. ;0)

Well, e'll all see when the time comes. And yes, the Switch is truly selling great and even breaking some record, which is great. I am happy as a Nintendo fan and as a gamer fan in general that Nintendo are kicking arse and are all out of chewing gum (ask if you didn't get the joke). But I also have to be realistic and when the PS5 and Scarlet arrive Nintendo will loose even more 3rd party support which they have to have to be relevant. 3rd parties demand power of some sort, and the Switch as it is today will be soon forgotten by the by that time. Unless, of course, thye make unique games for the Switch.

The Switch, like it is today, will not last to 2023 without 3rd party support. We all know that.

But then again Nintendo does what Nntendo does, so we'll see soon enough. But one thing is for sure: They can NOT go away from the home market.

I need to tissues by the way. Too busy playing some Smash ;)

I think there is some truth to what you are saying but I also think you're buying into hype, long built up by the competition, business, etc. Just think about Doom and now Doom Eternal. These are two perfect examples of the hype you're still buying into. Switch was not supposed to be capable and should have never had these games, yet, here we are with so many more "impossible" games in the pipe line.

Do you think your PS4 etc is efficiently using all of it's power; the main feature they sold it on? By the timing of the PS5 and after is when they'll finally start to use the PS4 fully but by then of course everyone's already sold on the promised greener grass once again. lol

They Live! haha Great movie! I have it on my Dish dvr...just can't seem to let it go. :0)

Don't forget The Witcher. But there's a catch to that too: It takes a lot of time, effort and money to make these ports and it's not always worth it. Again, 3rd parties have WAY more to say now than they did before. So much that they dictate what hardware the big 3 should have i their consoles (not as much with Ninty, but Capcom did make them use more RAM than first intended in the Switch) and that's why the PS4/XO and eventually the PS5(SC will be very similar in specs. And the core of my argument is that Ninty can't live without 3rd parties no matter how great their 1st and 2nd party games are. Of course, I personally, love my Switch with it's niche games and special features. I mean, the Switch will be the only console with the Bayonetta trilogy and that alone is a winner for me. But Astral Chain, Smash, Botw etc are all so great that my PS4 Pro is a bit bitchy about it Smile But that's me, not the mainstream market who are after big hitters.
Also third parties rarely use Nintendo console's extra features. HD rumble is such a great thing that Sony had to utilize it in the PS5, but not many devs use it on Switch so far. It saddens me.

Bottom line is that Nitendo can't loose more 3rd party support, so they have to do SOMETHING to fight back and keep market share. At least in 2021 (since the PS5/Sc comes in the end of next year)

Oh well. We'll just have to wait and see. It's Nintendo after all Smile

They Live is one of the best movies of ages. Hunting it down on LD =D

That bit about your PS4 Pro being bitchy-that was great. lol

By 2021, that would give Nintendo another 2 years to pack the Switch 2 full of punch and ensure they'll receive those triple A games. I've been in the nerdy console wars since SNES vs Genesis. However back then graphics could and did astronomically improve but that is just not the case anymore, yet here we are in 2019 acting the same; as if these leaps still exist. That's the hype I'm talking about and I think the tiny little Switch has proven this point more than ever.

On a side note: Do you think They Live was just for fun or a message to the masses?? I know Rowdy Roddy Piper apparently made an odd twitter statement saying it was a documentary or something, that it was true but he quickly back stepped and said he was just playing around.

enthropy
Fri Nov 22 19 02:17pm
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Actually, My Xbox One moved out after the Switch and PS4 came here. Poor thing. My landlord (and friend and bassist in my band) takes care of it though. But all my retro consoles are still here (got 10-11 consoles here in front of me. My babies!)

The Switch 2/Pro/WackaWackaBingBangBoom should be ready for the PS5/SC launch, or just shortly after that though to ensure those third parties don't abandon ship fully. But these days they might already be in talks with 3rd parties... Times have changed. But Switch, like it is now, is not enough to last to 2023.

Graphical leaps? Wont see from SNES to N64 to GC leaps for sure, but damn good improvements for sure. But game development already costs insanly much, so maybe for the better.

Personally I would love for Nintendo to jump all in on VR aside of the hybrid console. They have the games taht are perfect for VR. I mean, come on, Pilot Wings VR? Metroid 3D like Prime! Even a Zelda and MArio or even Pokemon VR could kick ass (with or without gum) if done rigt. But I love VR, so I might be a bit biased (That's where the PS4 shines these days).

Oh I remeber the console wars from the 90's. I am a 1980 model after all. Atari and Commadore 64 was also a thing still back then. I and a budy had a NES, one other a SEGA MS and another one an ATARI (my older brothers had a Commadore C20 something).

YEs, there was absolutely a message in the movie. It's pretty obvious. But since the movie is such an odd one, people wont take it seriously anyway. "Oh, it's an 80's silly movie. I see. I will not watch such garbage since I am sufisticated, I say!" or the likes.

Oh well. Next year will truly be exciting... But I might go for a gaming PC this time, like I did back in the 90's and have whatever Nintendo comes with. The games will decide in the end, because that's the point of it all.

Cheers =)

PS: Nintendo can do pretty good to counter the PS5/SC next X-mas with Zelda: BOTW2 (and whatever else they miht have up their sleeves). But after that... I don't know...

Sorry for the wait, been distracted with feeding my cat pedialyte then a pedialyte/milk mix so she doesn't die....ugh. (After 7 days of not eating she finally started today. ;0) )

Yeah, you're right about people not giving a second thought to anything from that movie being real!

I just hope they make Zelda as gritty, dark and badass looking as they can! Like you said they need it!!

Waah! Take care f the cat. More important than some random chat about the future of Nintendo we know nothing about. Just kicked mine out for the night for being an idiot.

Fun thing I have seen so many memes from that movie, but when I ask if they have seen it...Well very few have. But at least, like this, the message is getting through.

YEah. BOTW 2.... Wont be as revolutionary as BOTW, but at least they can build upon it (BOTW being on of my fav games of all time, I hope they don't riun it). Will be fun to see what they got...

But where's my Bayonetta 3 already???

Hehe. Cheers. Guess I'll see ya around here for more randm chit-chat.

True, and yeah I miss when she was well enough to kick out for being an idiot. lol

Tell me about it, my friend who's about 44; type of guy that should have seen it, has not. This is my next movie for him to watch.

I just hope she has long hair, as I do not care for that boy cut she had! :0)

I'm perfectly happy with the quality of games we get on Switch and adore the platform as a whole. I see no reason for a successor anytime soon. This system has real potential to be Nintendo's best of all time.

Switch Pro? Sure, I'm down for that. I find it very fascinating that the new Nvidia Shield TV has an improved Tegra processor with AI that upconverts 720+ up to 4K with impressive results. Could the same AI do that for Nintendo's games on a Switch Pro?

Of course, PS5 and Scarlet will likely lead to less third party ports since they won't be feasible on Switch, so that's something to be a bit concerned about.

It'll eventually get a price drop. Its only a matter of time.

Meanwhile, where are those Nintendo selects for Switch games?

Not necessarily, Wii U never dropped in price and that needed one. I'm sure the price may drop some day but it's no guarantee.

socar
Mon Nov 11 19 09:15am
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The Wii U did have a price drop. It was dropped from 350 to 300$.

I think Nintendo Selects will take a while to appear. Most first party games are still selling ridiculously well. I think 2021 is the earliest we'll get something like that.

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