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GoNintendo Thought: Would you rather another Super Mario Odyssey or Super Mario Galaxy?

This is a Thought I've been wanting to write for awhile now, but I've been a bit worried about putting it together and sharing. I don't want to ruffle any features, but hopefully it'll lead to good discussion!

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I think we can all agree that Mario has had the most impressive run in video games as far as quality is concerned. Mainline Mario games are always top notch. There have been so many entries, and there really isn't a bad one in the bunch. There might be absolutely fantastic entries and really great ones, but it would be tough to find people who believe certain installments to be bad, or flat out terrible.

Keeping up that quality over all these years hasn't been easy, that's for sure. Nintendo is always breaking down not only what makes Mario fun, but what new mechanics they can introduce without having a game not feel like a Mario title anymore. It's an insanely delicate balancing act, but somehow the Big N keeps managing to pull it off. The team behind these games knows what makes Mario tick, and they have a passion for the series like none other.

Now even though there are tons of stellar entries in the Mario franchise, people certainly have their favorites. There will be Mario games people can put above a pedestal above all others, and some games that people will easily place a bit lower down on their list. Again, that doesn't mean the games are bad by any means. They just have a few elements that push them up or down an overall list.

For a lot of players, there are two entries in the Mario franchise that really showcase what Nintendo can do when they're at the top of their Mario game. Those would be Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Odyssey. Both games managed to maintain the classic Mario feel while putting their own spin on tried-and-true mechanics, and also breaking new ground for the series. Each entry has been a phenomenal success in terms of critical praise and consumer support, so there's no denying Odyssey and Galaxy are definitely among the best of the best.

That brings us to a very important question. If you were only going to get a sequel to one of these games, or you could have your pick of which game would get a sequel first, which would you choose?

I'll share my answer, but I need to clarify something first. I really do adore Super Mario Odyssey. I find it to be one of the best Mario games out there. Everything from visuals to level building is really impressive, and the sense of scale for the adventure is pretty fantastic. It also includes an insane level of charm across every area, character, and interaction. Super Mario Odyssey made Mario feel more alive than ever before, at least in my opinion.

With that said, the question isn't all that hard for me. While I love Super Mario Odyssey, I was/am completely blown away by Super Mario Galaxy. If I were asked what my favorite Mario games were, my top two would be Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, and their places could be interchangeable. For me, those games marked an unbelievably high point for the Mario series, and brought in a revolution like none other.

There's just something so magical about the Galaxy games. Exploring hugely detailed, open-ended environments in Odyssey was wonderful, but I just don't think it compares to flipping and flying around planets in Galaxy. The feeling of soaring through the air, collecting Star Bits, and playing with gravity were all extremely new elements for a Mario game. Plus, the way they were used in combination was supremely addictive. Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were just pure, unadulterated fun for me.

I also happen to think that the music in both Galaxy 1 and 2 is quite a good deal beyond the score for Super Mario Odyssey. There are a handful of great tunes in Odyssey, but overall, I was a bit let down by some of the tracks. The good ones are REALLY good, but the ones that didn't do anything for me came across as a bit ho-hum and uninspired. Not bad, but not memorable or engaging.

The soundtracks for Galaxy legitimately brought me to tears in some parts. They felt so new for a Mario series, and so extremely epic. They heightened the experience of flying through space and walking upside-down on platforms, planets, and perches. I still regularly listen to the soundtracks for both of those games, but I only listen to a handful of tunes from Super Mario Odyssey, and not nearly as often as Galaxy.

While I do think Odyssey is a great game, my pick goes with Galaxy without question. I would love a Galaxy 3, which I know isn't quite fair, as there's only been one Odyssey so far. I certainly wouldn't be upset if another Odyssey were announced, but I'd be over the moon hearing Galaxy 3 was on the way.

Which series gets your nod for a sequel? Which one do you want to see makes its way back on Switch, and why?

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hawk
Wed Mar 11 20 12:22pm
Rating: 3

I would vote for a new Odyssey. The Galaxy games were terrific, but Odyssey encompasses so many neat worlds and themes. You can have a "Galaxy" world couched inside an Odyssey game. Plus, the free-roaming gameplay is something I could use more of.

Same here.
Definitely a Super Mario Galaxy sequel.
That game was far more ambitious. Every new level was a delight.
And that soundtrack, man!

ridleysaria
Wed Mar 11 20 06:42am
Rating: 2

Another Galaxy, without a doubt. And how about an HD remake of the originals while you're at it, Nintendo? There are so many Gamecube and Wii games that deserve to get out of the SD ghetto.

mlt-malavida
Wed Mar 11 20 07:11am
Rating: 2 (Updated 3 times)

- Galaxy 2 is a lot better than Galaxy 1 in my opinion.
- Galaxy wouldn't have this reputation if it wasn't actually Galaxy 1 AND 2 people are referencing to when they use the term.
- Conclusion : Odyssey needs its Odyssey 2 and I guarantee it will definitey live up to Galaxy's reputation.

I love Galaxy as much as the next guy but it very clearly was a reaction to the very explorative and ahead of its time Sunshine and the fact that it wasn't very popular when it released. Galaxy goes the other way and is effectively 2d Mario truned into 3d. It's arcardey and simple, straightforward point A to B structure, expecially Galaxy 2 which is the better game. It simply goes as far as it can from the Sunshine formula and while great, never really scratched that itch that 64/Sunshine left for us older gamers.

Odyssey is a true 3D Mario and picks up 64 and Sunshines's effort where it left off. It's extremely ambitious in its own way and very inventive too. Exploration oriented Mario just sparks interest in a way that straightforward Mario just can't. For some reason some people in the Mario fanbase love the idea of a Mario game with big free-roaming levels and tons of secrets. And it seems to me, with the whole open-world trend that is still very persistent and the amount of demand there is for an HD Sunshine, it seems to me that part of the fanbase is the one that prevails these days on the internet.

Also, the one issue Odyssey has is that it's too easy, and well guess what, that's also the issue Galaxy 1 had, let's not forget. So as I've said, Odyssey needs Odyssey 2 just like Galaxy needed Galaxy 2 to reaffirm and achieve its true cult classic status.

Anyway, Ninty won't do Galaxy 3 or at least I don't think they will. It's not their style to go back to an older era of one of their franchise which I'm pretty sure they consider as being done and part of the Wii era. They are more likely to do Galaxy HD remakes actually. What they did though in Odyssey 1 is a 64 level so watch them do Odyssey 2 with a Delfino level and watch the internet burn.

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To finish, I don't think there is as much new things to do with Galaxy's concept as there are opportunities to explore by going deeper with Odyssey's many ideas. I mean Galaxy 2 did everything it could and already started to repeat some of the first game. Not that it was an issue as it was in most cases an improvement over the first game. But it goes to show that Galaxy as a concept is simply done and gone and would need pretty big re-inventing to offer anything new or interesting, so much actually that it could very well end up feeling "too different" and "disappoint" fans of the two originals. No, really, the main argument there is that here is simply much more room for Odyssey to bring new stuff to the table.

Another question would be what could Odyssey 2 do to be a good counterpart to the first game? More focused level design and segments that bring more point A to B classic structure would be great for example and as thedestructo94 has mentionned. More challenging platforming would also be great as a lot of people have mentionned.

Id prefer an original 3D Mario. But since thats not an option Im going with Galaxy 3. I loved both Galaxy's though I preferred Galaxy 1 as it felt more original and fresh. Galaxy 2 reused a lot of ideas from the first, a lot of the 2nd games stars felt more arcadey/mini-gamey and the green stars were just ugh..also the story in Galaxy 2 was nowhere near as grand and epic as the first (though thats a minor gripe). If we got Galaxy 3 I hope it reinvents itself a bit more.

Odyssey 2 uhhh no...I hate to say it but I feel Odyssey is the most overrated game Nintendo has ever made. The game feels less like a return to form 3D Mario that Nintendo kept claiming and more like a Banjo Kazooie game but with Mario. The game lacked focus as well as any platforming challenges. It was more about exploration/collection than platforming. The moons were not very clever and incredibly easy to obtain (ground pound on this obvious green glowing spot, climb this tree, kick a glowing green rock, etc.). It was quantity over quality IMO. I also didnt love the capture mechanic and I found a good chunk of the kingdoms in Odyssey to be kinda bland and boring. The Bowser boss fights in Odyssey were incredibly easy and lame IMO. The soundtrack in Odyssey while good doesn't hold a candle to either Galaxy or 3D World or even Mario 64 IMO. Odyssey is a very 6/10 type game for me and if Sunshine didn't exist, I would consider Odyssey the weakest 3D Mario game.

Odyssey 2 uhhh no...I hate to say it but I feel Odyssey is the most overrated game Nintendo has ever made.

That title goes to Botw. SMO is the best Mario game recently.

The game feels less like a return to form 3D Mario that Nintendo kept claiming and more like a Banjo Kazooie game but with Mario.

Banjo Kazooie ripped righ out of SM64 which came out first so what are you getting at?

The game lacked focus as well as any platforming challenges. It was more about exploration/collection than platforming.

Its a sandbox game designed to be like open ended similar to SM64 so naturally, it'd have less of platforming and more of exploring. Besides, the environment is made in such a manner that you're always jumping like as it you're jumping on platforms.

The moons were not very clever and incredibly easy to obtain (ground pound on this obvious green glowing spot, climb this tree, kick a glowing green rock, etc.)

There are a crap ton of Moons that were cryptic and some require timing to get them.

I also didnt love the capture mechanic and I found a good chunk of the kingdoms in Odyssey to be kinda bland and boring.

What's bland about Metro, Lake, Bowser, Moon and Wood Kingdoms?

The Bowser boss fights in Odyssey were incredibly easy and lame IMO.

This I agree. I don't know why they made this the weakest part of the entire game. Like you can't even encounter Bowser until like the mid of the game!

Odyssey is a very 6/10 type game for me and if Sunshine didn't exist, I would consider Odyssey the weakest 3D Mario game.

While this is your opinion, I disagree. It rather is fitting to be a 9.5/10 game and is my favorite Switch game period. Sunshine on the other hand seemed incomplete. If your criticism of the game was that it was too easy, then I could understand but calling it bland, and very overrated(which btw, it isn't) and not realising that its a game marketed for the Mario fans, I can't agree with your opinion.

hyliantom
Wed Mar 11 20 07:46am
Rating: 1

The majesty and grandeur and scale of outer space is something that can’t ever be matched by a terrestrial setting, so I pick Galaxy. We’d still be able to see planets with different climates/biomes/etc (Beach Bowl, Dusty Dune, etc), but outer space is an awe-inspiring backdrop for a Mario game.

pc
Wed Mar 11 20 10:41am
(Updated 2 times)

Agreed. That's what makes the Galaxy games so amazing to me. Outer space just can't be beat on the "epic" scale. Odyssey was amazing and by all counts is probably the better game quality-wise, but Galaxy had a certain epicness to it that Odyssey can't reach.

That, and I'm more of a fan of linear Mario games, so Galaxy mixes the perfect balance of a sort of pseudo-exploratory 64/Sunshine gameplay with the more straightforward gameplay of the 3D Land/World games. Perfection, in my book.

megastvrwolf
Wed Mar 11 20 07:47am
(Updated 1 time)

Why not both? Odyssey already has the mass world thig going on, and Bowser's Kingdom is already Galaxy-ish in terms of how you go through the stage. Throw in a little Mario Sunshine while you're at it. lol

Mario's Odyssey to the Sunshine Galaxy 64DD.

Odyssey is great, but Galaxy is the greatest, best 3D Mario IMO.

socar
Wed Mar 11 20 08:38am
Rating: 1 (Updated 1 time)

After playing Super Mario Odyssey, I really want a sandbox style game. Its the main reason why I love SM64.

Galaxy series has merits but Odyssey does too many things right that make me want a sequel to it. Galaxy already had a sequel so it filled me there.

But I would also be thrilled for SMG 3 to happen because Galaxy has like great platforming and I like the spherical level design added to it.

smasher89
Wed Mar 11 20 09:40am
(Updated 2 times)

one takes skill and the other only takes skill in speedruns, so easy a linear style mario game for sure (galaxy9, wasnt even close to 50% in odyssey, and "stomp the ground, get a star" is a huge reason for that.
Odyssey had cool movement, but not a single stage i felt that usilized that (didnt reach the final one since quality was soo low), had fun going the world championships stage(the one with a boss) backwards though, even if that didnt result in a star, it was a good challenge.

100% most of the recent ones (got a couple levels left with some chars in 3d world, might just be the final extra 2 worlds though).

We have two Galaxies already and there is a lot of potential in Odd that wasn't in the first game. So I'd go for a new SMO.

This article almost exactly articulates my opinions about the 3D Mario series. I'm not exactly sure where the 3D Land/World games fit in this, but I personally love the idea of alternating between sandbox Mario and linear Mario games. Odyssey is fantastic, and probably the most fun I've had playing a sandbox 3D platformer since the original 64, but the platforming perfection of the Galaxy series is just reward after reward after reward! I loved the idea that it was kind of like Super Mario Bros. 3, where there would be long levels, and short levels, and they each had their own gimmick.

I love to explore worlds, that's why Odyssey is so immersive and creative, however it's almost Zelda light in some ways, and while that's not bad in the slightest, I love the purity of the levels in Galaxy. My wife would also love a new galaxy; while she is GREAT at Odyssey, she kind of gave up on it because she didn't want to have to figure out what to do next, she just wanted to play Mario!

I'm hoping that we can get some coordinated alternate release schedules between the Mario and Zelda series: 3D Sandbox Mario game, 2D Classic Zelda game, 3D Linear Mario game, 3D epic Zelda game, which would see one of each of these release over a four year cycle, how fantastic would that be?

In my dream world, we're already in the midst of such a schedule: BOTW, Odyssey, Link's Awakening, SMG 3, BOTW 2, Odyssey 2??

At the very least, since I never got the Wii U rereleases, I would kill for a SMG1+2 Deluxe release for Switch.

hawk
Wed Mar 11 20 12:22pm
Rating: 3

I would vote for a new Odyssey. The Galaxy games were terrific, but Odyssey encompasses so many neat worlds and themes. You can have a "Galaxy" world couched inside an Odyssey game. Plus, the free-roaming gameplay is something I could use more of.

If it were an option I would want a 3D World 2, that is just pure fun to me and the jazz ost is incredible. Out of these options however, I think I would have to pick Galaxy. It's a very tough choice!

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