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GoNintendo 'End of Day' thought - What do you think of Nintendo TVii?



Dear Diary: End of the world is upon us. So far, things seem to be going well. Rainy, wind, but not deadly. Maybe these rumors of the world blowing up were wrong? Either way, must get sleep for work tomorrow. See you in a few, short hours!

I haven't had the best first day with Nintendo TVii. Things started off great when I realized you didn't have to go through a download to get the service running. Just one click of the Nintendo TVii icon and you jump right into the service. From there, things were a bit of a mess on my end.

I think my lackluster experience had to do with first-day issues and a rush of people jumping on the service. No matter how much I tried, I couldn't find any of the shows I wanted to add as favorites. Many hours later I finally got in and could add favorites, but for a long time there, it was almost like my shows didn't exist!

The one element that did work well for me was the live TV guide. It acted just as the guide on my cable box already, but it gave me a lot more information when I clicked on a show. I could see future airings, multiple channels that were showing that program and even options like episode purchases from other services. Clearly superior to what my cable guide offers.

So yes, day one wasn't all I hoped it would be. I'm willing to chalk up my experience to the launch of the service, which is usually met with problems. Nintendo managed to fix up Miiverse issues within a day, so I'm hoping for the same here. Perhaps your experience was better? Leave a comment and tell us how your interactions went.

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21 Dec 2012 11:07

totally misspelled every thing in the reply back
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21 Dec 2012 11:37

To get any value out of it I guess you need to be a big tv watcher. I'm not, so I'll just stick to playing games.
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21 Dec 2012 11:48

I'd like it to be a bit more comprehensive. We have a HD terminal, and many of the channels I like to watch aren't available in the favourites heading.
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21 Dec 2012 11:57

Totally clever. Have all your shows in one place and use your Wii U to interact and throwaway your traditional remote. Cool.

..But I use a 1080p computer monitor and don't have cable, so, not as useful for me.
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21 Dec 2012 12:18

Sounds cool on paper but I wouldn't even call the current implementation "beta". It is more like alpha, a complete mess of broken and missing features.
I hope Nintendo gets all the bad press they deserve from this, and honestly, at this point I really wish that Yamauchi can step back in and replace most of the upper management. So far the Wii U is simply the combination of out of date tech and buggy software (and from what I reading here, it seems even the hardware isn't that reliable, a first in Nintendo history), I huge disappointment, not to say unacceptable considering the $350 price tag.
IMHO, in my 30 years as a Nintendo fan, Wii U is Nintendo's first console that sucks. I even enjoyed the Wii immensely during its first 3 years. Damn, I even enjoyed the VirtualBoy more than this broken mess.
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21 Dec 2012 12:28

Kind of disappointing. I wasn't even expecting much from it either! I figured it would change my input from HDMI1 to TV automatically, but you have to do that manually.
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21 Dec 2012 12:35

Yeah... as of right now, I'm not going to use TVii much at all unless I know I'm going to watch something when it airs live. Probably sporting events though. I think those stats are cool. Another thing I am not a fan of is how when you want to use say Amazon, it pulls you out of TVii and just turns on the Amazon page. I mean, I guess it's how you would do that, but it just feels like TVii adds an unnecessary step to my watching. If I know I'm going to use Amazon to watch something, then why even waste my time booting up TVii? Another problem I have is when searching for some shows they just don't show up. I tried to find American Dad and couldn't find it, I didn't realize that show wasn't "big" enough for this service. Hopefully that gets addressed in the future. When DVR support comes (if it comes) and they fix the lack of TV shows issues then I think I will use it more.
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21 Dec 2012 12:35

Nintendo TVII for the delay and hype seems to have arrived in the form of a smelly turd. It's not to say it doesn't have hints of genius. But at this point it doesn't really live up to a point where it will drive the Gamepad to be as primary as Nintendo wants it to be in my living room setup. Its flaws as I see it are below.

-The lack of Netflix really just makes this the exact same functionality built into set top boxes albeit slower and an extra step.

-Although Nintendo claims the setup simplicity of the remote, for many, a little more depth would be nice. Many of us plug our inputs into a digital surround system. Without true universal remote functionality, many of us are dead in the water and must revert to our original remotes anyhow.

-TVII tag is a really innovative and game changing feature, but its lack of support, or its flexibility to scale down its features for non prime time or popular shows is a really miss. (even a list of live or current TVII Tag enabled shows would allow people to just into the fun and eliminate guess work.)

-Other minor flaws to do with general speed and ease of use (If I'm using TVII Tag watching a show, then browse the grid to see whats on next during a commercial, then want to return to TVII tag when the show returns, the IR will blast the channel to my TV again, even if I'm still on the same show, with no option to skip the step.)

I get it, it just launched, it could and should improve, but I'm left with the feeling by the time it reaches its apex it might be to little to late, and most of us will have moved on to playing our new Marios and Zeldas and will have long forgotten TVII, (See: Check Mii Out, Everybody Votes) remembering it only as the turd it launched as not as the gem it probably will be. Bottom line, first impressions mean the world if someone will return or not.
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21 Dec 2012 12:43

This will NEVER hit Norway. I am sure. I usually have my consoles for gaming, but some extras are welcome of course. Netflix is active here, but don't think Hulu is. Would be a ice bonus if it came here though for those who are into this stuff! :)
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21 Dec 2012 12:53

So much potential, wasted. This is where a multitouch or capcitive screen for the Wii U really could have worked. Meh.

I wish you could watch and use more video on the service itself. It would have been cool if this was a fully featured guide. I mean, honestly with Xbox's Smartglass (which IMO feels better) and it's potential revamp with the new Xbox, Nintendo might be introuble. Hopefully some big changes happen soon.
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21 Dec 2012 13:08

opcode wrote:Sounds cool on paper but I wouldn't even call the current implementation "beta". It is more like alpha, a complete mess of broken and missing features.
I hope Nintendo gets all the bad press they deserve from this, and honestly, at this point I really wish that Yamauchi can step back in and replace most of the upper management. So far the Wii U is simply the combination of out of date tech and buggy software (and from what I reading here, it seems even the hardware isn't that reliable, a first in Nintendo history), I huge disappointment, not to say unacceptable considering the $350 price tag.
IMHO, in my 30 years as a Nintendo fan, Wii U is Nintendo's first console that sucks. I even enjoyed the Wii immensely during its first 3 years. Damn, I even enjoyed the VirtualBoy more than this broken mess.

I have a hard time saying this, and note that I never thought I would. But.

I. AGREE.

I'm enjoying the 3DS MUCH more. Wii u shows everything that the stubborn Japanse company has done wrong in the past and puts it into one package. I just want a powerful Nintendo console with great online and Ninty exclusives. But it's just not a fun console. Asides the first week, I kinda stopped playing (playing lot's of God of War ACESNSION beta).

But I'll wait for judgement. 3ds had a terrible start but is now awesome.
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21 Dec 2012 13:11

@linkgx1: "Hopefully some big changes happen soon."
I don't think we are going to see any big changes as long as Iwata and co. are still in charge. But since I am pretty sure Nintendo is going to post their 2nd year of losses in a row, considering the lower than expected 3DS sales and so so Wii U start, who knows...
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21 Dec 2012 13:36

opcode wrote:@linkgx1: "Hopefully some big changes happen soon."
I don't think we are going to see any big changes as long as Iwata and co. are still in charge. But since I am pretty sure Nintendo is going to post their 2nd year of losses in a row, considering the lower than expected 3DS sales and so so Wii U start, who knows...

I don't think Iwata should be CEO anymore. We need a big management shakeup. Nintendo's history always seems to prove it's stubborness to change is it's ultimate downfall. I could care less if your console is less powerful. But don't play me for a fool. Dreamcast has better online than the Wii U. Hell the dreamcast had voice chat in Alienfront. But Nintendo keeps acting like those things 'don't exist' or pretends that we somehow don't have an Xbox 360 or PS3.

Metroid Prime and Majora's Mask ARE my favorite console games of all time. But Nintendo keeps acting like we are in the 1990s and things only exist WHEN THEY SAY they exist. Oh, so now when YOU decide to have an HD console everyone is supposed to?

I'm criticizing Nintendo because I care. The Wii U is still young enough to change. But we need a few big updates. We're going to need an updated and better Nintendo TVii, online, voicechat, and overall better system. 90% of the problems can be fixed with an update.

But who knows...
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21 Dec 2012 13:41

Well, first of all. The problem with TVii is the problem that Nintendo has had with the Wii U in general. Every thing doesn't work properly from the get go. BUT I can understand why that is, the question is how fast can they fix it.

Yesterday at 3 pm est pressed the TVii icon and it actually loaded to my surprise. I did the set up and began going thru the menus. It was working properly until a couple of minutes afterwards where everything crashed. Nothing was loading except for sports. As time went by, around 5-6 pm everything can back to normal and in my opinion it was great. Nintendo can't fill all the expectations from all people, but they can surely do for the majority.

Majority of people just have one cable box with their tv, and maybe hulu or netflix subscription. And this is who this app is for. For me and for the majority. The fact that I can look up what movies are live on tv. That I can check when a new episode of my favorite show is going to air. It's great. And the live tv is also great because I don't watch many shows, but now I can easily scroll thru all the shows that are featured or live and see more information about them. That can make me more interested in watching them.

Sports is great, it works and has been working from the get go. One thing I really like in general of TVii is that it shows me what channels they are giving games or shows. But it also shows me if they are going to repeat that episode at some other time. This is great because going thru the directv guide is hard for me to find game they are giving. But now, I will KNOW if it is on tv or not. Also, is hard to find something new or interesting or to know for sure if you have watched a certain episode or if its a new episode at all. With TVii, I can do that.

Another thing is TVTAG. It will support the top 100 most popular shows and later on they will add the ability for us to post our own moments. It works great. I mean, the fact that you can socialize with people around USA that are watching the same thing as you live is amazing. Plus all the stats you can pull up with a second screen. The TVTAG for shows works a bit different. But it has the same principal. Socializing with people who are watching the same thing you are watching live. Another great thing is that if you start scrolling down (for a game) the stats change to that moment. So if you scroll all the way down the score will show 0-0 and it will start updating as you scroll up again. This is also pretty neat because you can catch up on what you missed if you started watching late.

My complains are, Facebook and twitter integration have no context. This is weird because they specifically talked about this on the Reggie Asks so I'm expecting them to fix this pretty soon. 2. Not able to set reminders. I want to set reminders for shows I don't want to miss. 3. Not being able to use analog sticks or pad (controls) to control the interface. Everything is touch and it doesn't have to be. 4. My BIGGEST complain is the fact that it opens up the other apps instead of streaming directly. I really hope that this was the reason why Netflix was delayed because I don't see any other reason on why it was delayed. Seriouslly, I don't understand how or why people were expecting to stream LIVE tv on your gamepad. But for the app to not integrate Amazon, Hulu, and Netflix is a disappointment. It takes too much to load a new app. This should be changed and fixed ASAP.

Overall, I'm happy, I will be using TVii to watch TV from now on.
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21 Dec 2012 13:44

WOW, a lot of Doom and Gloomer's -- nobody has any patience anymore, sad.... :cry:
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21 Dec 2012 13:48

lynnvin wrote:WOW, a lot of Doom and Gloomer's -- nobody has any patience anymore, sad.... :cry:


We might have some patience left if Nintendo wasn't trying it so much.
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21 Dec 2012 14:07

It was really cool once I tuned into a basketball game. Can't wait to see what football does. I liked how you could see everyone's shots/stats. If you tuned in late you could basically catch up on all the action during one commercial break.

I don't like that it doesn't seem to recognize that I'm an Amazon Prime subscriber. I look at Thor. I know I have it in Prime Instant video for free, but it's listed as $14.99. No "Prime" sticker in the corner to let me know it's free. I already have a kindle, I don't need another device pointing me toward buying digital content from Amazon. It also doesn't actually access my Dish box. It's just relaying their guide to the controller. Kinda lame since my iPhone app can access and control all my Dish devices connected to the internet. So if I'm looking for episodes of The Office, it doesn't even see that I have several episodes on my DVR.

I like the idea of the remote control wheel having buttons for channels because I can never remember their actual numerical designation, but I wish instead of each channel having its own button there was just a favorites button that opened a page of channel icons that I've liked.

The whole GamePad as a TV remote thing will never really work for me until they add support for more than just TVs and cable boxes. My HDMI input (video and sound) is all run though a 5.1 surround sound receiver.4 in 1 out to my HDTV. My TV is always on the same input, so I'm holding my universal remote in one hand the whole time I'm using TVii. Not ideal.
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21 Dec 2012 14:34

I honestly cannot believe, nor do I understand, all of the freaking negativity on here. It's working great for me, and I think it's a fantastic app. As for the Wii U itself, I have had nothing but good times so far. What the heck? You guys are depressing, and your making me wish it really WAS the end of the world. Glad I don't have to listen to this kind of whining and bashing on Miiverse.
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21 Dec 2012 14:49

joshb1983 wrote:I honestly cannot believe, nor do I understand, all of the freaking negativity on here. It's working great for me, and I think it's a fantastic app. As for the Wii U itself, I have had nothing but good times so far. What the heck? You guys are depressing, and your making me wish it really WAS the end of the world. Glad I don't have to listen to this kind of whining and bashing on Miiverse.


Amen, brother!!
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21 Dec 2012 15:57

I probably won't be using it very much. All I have is basic channels over an antenna and netflix, so it isn't very useful for me. If I had satellite, dvr, netflix, amazon, and hulu then it would be great to have them all together in one place. However, right now, they don't even have netflix support.

Basically, not too impressed. Although, I will try it again when they add netflix support.
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21 Dec 2012 21:39

Honestly who spends a bunch of money on a flat screen HDTV in the 50-60 inch range and then uses the built-in speakers?

I haven't used built-in TV sound since the early 90s.
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21 Dec 2012 22:55

I've really been enjoying it, and I'm actually discovering things to watch. I was very happy to see that Nintendo TVii supports over-the-air, no-cable-box TV. And the setup process accurately identified all 70+ over-the-air digital stations in my area.

What would make the service really amazing would be the ability to integrate network drives and media servers into the mix. My router allows you to plug an external hard drive into it, and then everything on the drive is available over wireless. It would be great if Nintendo TV would let you look up TV show episodes and movies and then link them to a file on your local network. It could then automatically look for your network drive at startup, remembering the links you had established, and you could have your personal video collection integrated into all the other results (or else placed in a special "My Collection" area that they could add) with the same images, descriptions, and trailers as all of the other Nintendo TVii listings. And since it would access the external content via wireless, there would be no need for the hassle of trying to transfer gigabytes of info onto a specially formatted and protected Wii U external drive.
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22 Dec 2012 01:30

Pretty much useless. Nothing works well, or easier or better than the alternatives. Like the U in general. It's like they don't have enough manpower to properly develop anything anymore.
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22 Dec 2012 17:30

Wasnt this thing made by another company? i.TV?

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