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@M1
yeah cos you know it's all casuals and soccer mums that are gonna play zelda, metroid and zombiu isn't it. All hardware in this industry is either hardcore or casual, and the casual systems (like the wii u in your opinion) should shun anything that the hardcore like so that there's a perfect divide between the two.
@LegendofSantiago
100% speculation. There are no facts to back that up.
@Orbulon
He is apparently the first human on Earth to ever misspeak.
@JonLeung
He admitted that he was wrong. What else do you want?
Despite the popular belief among fanboys, his job is not actually to be right all the time. The more you know
@M1 That's the worst way to run a business. You get the most money from catering to both.
he must only hate on ninendo in groups
I'm in Louisville and I got mine day 1! I guess I need to invite my neighbors over for a Wii-U party.
Actually, focusing on what you do that works, in other words, finding your niche, is far more successful than trying to be all things to all people.
Now whether or not Nintendo's planned approach to the WiiU will be successful, only time will tell. However, I would not doubt the company, given its track record. Meanwhile, its competitors are either trying to stay afloat or busy promoting new, non-game products.
Mike from Morgantown
Lucky you. I've only ever seen three. Of those I bought one.
People are always pretty quick to want to call things that deserve a more long term outlook. Wii U came out and with anecdotal reports from both sides claiming sell out or non moving stock there existed this tension over how well the system did. When figures were released via NPD, people took the data as Wii U having a bad launch because it didn't outsell other platforms that have been on the market for years that have a stable supply foundation along with years of market establishment. At least until it was revealed that while just barely underselling compared to Wii's launch numbers, it, like the Wii before it, blew away the numbers PS3 and 360 mustered in their respective launches.
With more numbers and speculative performance theories being tossed about with the system having launch in all major regions people are still going back and forth, tit for tat, regarding how well Wii U has done on the market. We gotta give it time, but I do think the system has done well thus far, at least between North America and Japan since Europe has been quiet regarding hard numbers, but between the two known regions alone Wii U is very near having sold 1M units if it hasn't already by this point. But it's the holidays, how things hold up after the fact is anyone's guess. Even the 3DS went through a pretty tragic spell of being called a failure until it turned around and became the 20M+ selling monster it is today.
Whatever the result, all I know is I'm having fun with this thing and come christmas morning I'll have a few more titles to add to that.
1st off.. I live in a small town of 10,000(if you count neighboring cities within 30 miles without a walmart) and we always have Wii U's in stock ... both models...
2nd... did he say if it was game of the year it should have sold the most?
I bet he has never said in his life Wii Sports, or Kinect Adventures were the best games he played that year.... IMO he is Trolling!
You cannot cater to both.
You cater to one or the other.
If Nintendo was catering to the "hardcore" it would be more powerful, it would have a standard controller, their would be no NSMBU and Nintendo Land at launch, there would be no Miiverse etc...
@M1 but companies have catered to multiple demographics before
-Whats wrong with Miiverse that isnt good enough for the "hard corz"?
-there is a normal controller, and even if most games dont/wont use it, the gamepad has all the same stuff
-just wait and see the nextbox/ps4 until you judge its power
-there is nothing wrong with having NSMBU nd Ninty Land /2 launch, they had enough titles for all kinds of gamers at launch.
@M1
But, both have been catered to i.e Xbox Kinect. Xbox is ''hardcore'' Kinect is ''casual''
That is not the same thing.
Microsoft didn't launch with Kinect, it came 5 years later.
Also Kinect get's very little support from the industry and Microsoft.
Microsoft pretty much turned Kinect into a Windows device, while giving Kinect bare minimum push on 360.
Why did they do this?
Kinect damaged the Xbox brand name by appealing to "casuals".
Microsoft"s actions started to damage the good customer relationship they had with the "hardcore" gamers.
Move on the other hand is targeted at the "hardcore" gamers, the "hardcore" sadly rejected Move.
Wii U gamepad is seen as a "casual" gimmick by "hardcore" gamers and developers.
This new gen will only see the split between "hardcore" and "casuals" further accelerate.
You know, even though I think he's wrong most of the time, I really don't see what he said that was so questionable here....
Did the Wii U underperform? He pretty much said "No" It sold just as much as Nintendo wanted it to sell right now so that there wouldn't be a shortage and that some places are more likely to buy it up quickly than others. He also said that if Nintendo wanted to, they could ramp up the hype machine and get them ripped off shelves whenever they feel like.
He made a slip of the tongue about a console manufacture. It happens all the time.
He said that the best games should sell the best and that if great games don't sell well, then the industry is pretty screwed up. I'd argue that the industry IS pretty screwed up.
He said that the VGAs are likely bandwagoners that are trying to be hip even though the probably don't know their ass from the hole in the ground.
He admitted to being wrong and said that he'd have to eat a real hat at a later date even though the term "I'll eat my hat." is a figure of speech.
@friendcode
He said that from his point of view of a finance guy, the game of the year would be the one that sold the most (the one that made the biggest profit).
@MARl0 the wii u is restocked. daily(or at least several times a week) according to several sources. It isn't going to sell like the wii, but it's still going to sell well.
@Jet Pilot my guess is that more core gamers bought the wii u vs the wii based on the higher price point and the game line up. Zombiu being the best selling 3rd party game despite being the least casual game from the line up should also speak highly of the install base. Mario is selling well, which appeals to both. No, I don't have numbers but it seems very likely
@M1
But thats not what you said at first. You said its impossible to appeal to both, not that its impossible to appeal to both from the launch of a console. And you just countered your own argument, you said that Kinect damaged the Xbox brand by appealing to casuals, clearly stating that both can be done. Support or not, Kinect was/very successful in the casual market on a hardcore console,and Kinect did not ruin the rep of the Xbox at all, games like Halo and CoD clearly give hardcore gamers an option, with Dance Central giving casuals something to have fun with.
Any hardcore gamer that calls the Gamepad a gimmick has clearly yet to experience remote play or true split screen gameplay on Call of Duty. No console that i can think of has offered gamers so many different play styles out of the gate as Wii U does. When it comes to "hardcore" it is probably the most hardcore console on the market right now. To its benefit it is the only console where you can play Xenoblade, Last Story, and Mass Effect 3 on. The 3 top RPG's of the year, how hardcore is that?
@JonLeung:
I agree, he should have to eat a real hat. Try boiling it first, like Werner Herzog did with a shoe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Her ... s_His_Shoe
I want him to eat a hat.
It has nothing to do with whether he's been wrong or right in the past, or whether I generally agree with him or not.
I believe that if you're going to make a bet, if you lose, you should honour that bet by paying up or doing what you said you would. If you're going to eat a freaking cookie hat or chocolate hat or some other custom obviously-edible hat, if that was not specified at the time of the bet, that's a cop out. That wasn't even the size of a normal-sized hat.
Pachter, go to a hat store, go pick out a beret or a cap or a top hat or something that a sane person might actually wear on their head (we're not talking "Lady Gagaesque" slabs-of-meat-as-clothes, here), and ingest it, you know, LIKE YOU SAID YOU WOULD.
"hardcore" gamers are very angry at Microsoft for making Kinect for 360 and allowing "casual"/shovelware games on their system.
Many have openly stated they will buy Sony's next system to punish Microsoft for selling out to the "casuals".
Many developers are also worried about what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox brand.
Catering to "casuals" does long term damaging to your reputation in the video game market.
@M1
idiotic, spoilt, insecure about their manliness/maturity hardcore gamers are angry at microsoft for kinect because they're just being like a bunch of 3 year olds screaming and shouting about other kids enjoying their toys
sensible hardcore gamers ignore the kinect and just concentrate on playing games that they like.
Calling the WiiU gamepad not hardcore or a gimmick is pure stupidity and quite silly. It's the most hardcore controller by far ever made. It has all the same inputs as a standard controller PLUS a huge touchscreen, gyro, camera and what not. So it has a lot more options and complexity to it than the standard controllers have and that no doubt make it more hardcore.
I also think this may be the WiiUs weakness, the added complexity to the gamepad will scare away the general casual consumer. The general xbox/sony gamer will likely not switch to a Nintendo console anyway, so the WiiU may be a console that mostly sell to the traditional Nintendo crowd and have a similar faith to the Gamecube. Not that i mind, i loved the Gamecube.
This through and through.
You pretty much 100% nailed it.
@Kezay
And thank you also for saying clever things.
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