Goriginal Content

EoD - Backlog talk

GN Podcast #472

Xeodrifter diary #5

EoD - Game Shows

EoD - Leaks

GN Podcast #471
 

Pachter says no GTAV on Wii U, will see lower third party support than Wii

The poor sales of the Wii U in January are likely to impact third party publisher plans to support the console. Notice that GTAV is not on the Wii U; that wasn't a typo, they don't see enough promise in sales to cause them to spend extra development dollars on a Wii U version. I have spoken to several publishers who are skeptical, and I think that the Wii U will see a lower level of third party support than the Wii did, unless sales materially improve. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but without third party titles, Nintendo will not generate its customary levels of royalties, and losses or break even could become the norm. - Michael Pachter

This E3 is going to be a majorly important one for Nintendo. They really, really need to knock it out of the park with the Wii U. We may feel differently about the Wii U's future, but public opinion can go a long way in hurting a business. That's even if that perception isn't based on fact.

Link

Also check out:
Discussion Preview
62 total comments (View all)
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:01

Entity wrote:Blocking used games could also be a good thing. Was just thinking about it. Publishers could make some good exclusive deals. No publisher wants to loose money...


In today's economy, Used games are essential
Plus by blocking Used games, It screws over the gamer
Consider this thought.. You bought a game that's a bad but since GameStop won't take it since the 720 or the PS4 won't play used games.. you're pretty much screwed with that game for the rest of your life, a reminder of the $60 you wasted and could've bought on a decent title
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:03

@LegendofSantiago:
Sorry about that. haha
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:05

@VinceFox:

I NEVER said (well,, wrote) that ir was a good thing for us consumers. But it could be a good thing for publishers IF they do it right (make goo exclusive deals for example). That and cheaper games. It was a thought. I mean I can't sell my eShop games now can I?
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:10

@Taxidous No problem, sarcasm is a bit hard to read on the internet and with all the negativity I'm not surprised someone took me seriously
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:14

GTA5 will be just as boring as GTA4.... San Andreas and Vice City are still way more fun. This game alone wont make or break WiiU for me.
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:43

I dont mind GTA at all, in fact i think is the most overrated game series ever.
User avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:45

Hommy Maiden wrote:I dont mind GTA at all, in fact i think is the most overrated game series ever.


But MANY people mind... But what I still don't get is why Pachter is only mentioning GTA. Does it look like other games or coming over. If so then 3rd parties will support the system. Or is that just his best example?
No Avatar
18 Feb 2013 22:47

I can see third party support being important, but Nintendo has so many of their own developers, do they even need third parties?
No Avatar
18 Feb 2013 23:03

well then.. since pachter is ALWAYS wrong... and as such is the most reliable analyst in history (just go against what he says and you'll always be right) gta5 is now confirmed for the wii u, and lots more 3rd party support to come
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 00:02

"This E3 is going to be a majorly important one for Nintendo. They really, really need to knock it out of the park with the Wii U. We may feel differently about the Wii U's future, but public opinion can go a long way in hurting a business. That's even if that perception isn't based on fact."

Haven't we said this about the last 3 E3s, and they have basically failed with each one. They can't launch a new console properly, but are sitting on BILLIONS? It makes no sense to me. I just wonder how much NoJ is involved in the E3 planning, compared to how much NoA is. I mean, I would expect it to be more NoA since it's their region, with NoJ concentrating on things like the Tokyo Game Show (that don't even do that anymore though, do they?).

How did they end this last year's E3? With Nintendo Land. Nintendo Land. One more thing, and it was more Nintendo Land.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 00:14

@VinceFox

also, with used games you would never be able to borrow or let someone borrow games. my friends and i always lend games back and forth and that would put a stop to it too. also, no rented games unless they make a special burn just for those.

i don't think used games will be blocked, but i think the always online rumor would be horrible for me unless i get some better internet out in the boonies.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 00:28

_DiGiTaL_ wrote:GTA5 will be just as boring as GTA4.... San Andreas and Vice City are still way more fun. This game alone wont make or break WiiU for me.


@ *referring to bold*

True, although GTAV will be a nice addition to the Wii U 'if' it happens. For now, this is just wishful thinking.

A large and diverse game library for many people to choose from will 'definitely' make or break a game console or handheld.
No Avatar
Anonymous
19 Feb 2013 00:55

I wonder if third parties would listen to him if he said the opposite... Instead of " third parties won't support the Wii because its not selling" he could say "if third parties put forth greater effirt on the WiiU and made those the definitive vesrion, then it would sell, give new adopters something to play instead of year old ports"...

Maybe I'm overly optimistic. But it does seem that easy.
No Avatar
19 Feb 2013 01:39

I'd love to see a third party, ANY of them, go on the record as calling Pachter an idiot or at least inflammatory for the sake of attention.
BTW, I feel GTA has pretty much run it's course. I know multitudes disagree, but it no longer holds any appeal to me.
Bob Chipman was exactly right. With all the obvious talent and skill Rockstar has, it's frustrating to see the games pretty much cater to what young teenagers think is cool, and never attempt to transcend the limitations arbitrarily placed there.
Than again, it does sell like crazy, so it's hard to blame Rockstar for appealing to the LCD.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 01:42

drew wrote:I'd love to see a third party, ANY of them, go on the record as calling Pachter an idiot or at least inflammatory for the sake of attention.
BTW, I feel GTA has pretty much run it's course. I know multitudes disagree, but it no longer holds any appeal to me.
Bob Chipman was exactly right. With all the obvious talent and skill Rockstar has, it's frustrating to see the games pretty much cater to what young teenagers think is cool, and never attempt to transcend the limitations arbitrarily placed there.
Than again, it does sell like crazy, so it's hard to blame Rockstar for appealing to the LCD.


I too think GTA is a one trick pony that needs to be set to pasture (metaphorically speaking)
Every game is the same (despite storylines, Hot Coffee, and other gimmicks)
- Hijack cars
- Sexy time with hookers
- Plow hooker with car
- Kill Cops
- Commit crime
- HOLY @#$% A TANK!
Lather rinse and repeat
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 02:00

Honestly, I don't care about GTAV or Watchdogs.

Who buys PS360-Ports in 2013 anymore. The PC version is the way to go, it's cheaper and runs smooth. If a lot more 3rd parties die, I don't care either, because what we experienced over the last decade after Dreamcast and Gamecube, games got worse. The last good EA game was Tiger Woods 2003 for NGC. Maybe modern FiFa is ok, but that's stuff, every year the same.

If Wii U sales are bad, how unbelieveable bad are PS-Vita sales and how bad will PS420 sales be, especially when Kindles and iPads got GTAV for 3,99. iPad 2013 will have more resolution and processing power than PS420 :mrgreen: No one will ever buy expensive consoles, when you can play videogames on twice as expensive smart phones. Does Pachter even know what a smart phone like a Galaxy Note 2 or so costs? 3-4x the 3DS !!!

McDaniel-77
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 02:34

@Sisibakbak

Well if anything is going to make the Wii U sell, it'd be that. I'm calling false on this one because surely no business can possibly be so stupid when you are selling to normal people.

Valve can get away with it because most of their work is digital and they normally have massive sales multiple times a year but trying to get away with it with physical media? That's one hell of a blatant cash grab.
No Avatar
Anonymous
19 Feb 2013 03:50

Did I miss E3 2013 and GTA V not being announced on the Wii U.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 05:16

seandotm wrote:I can see third party support being important, but Nintendo has so many of their own developers, do they even need third parties?

Oh yes, they do. Nintendo doesn't have the work force to support both of its platforms with tons of constant first party content. They even need third party cooperation to make some of their own AAA games because they haven't prepared for HD development.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 07:23

LSF22 wrote:
i don't think used games will be blocked, but i think the always online rumor would be horrible for me unless i get some better internet out in the boonies.

Also, if this is true for new Xbox... assuming they still charge you for using Xbox Live... it just wouldn't work. I already paid for the damn console and game, I shouldn't need to pay even MORE just to play it!
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 07:41

Zanreo wrote:
LSF22 wrote:
i don't think used games will be blocked, but i think the always online rumor would be horrible for me unless i get some better internet out in the boonies.

Also, if this is true for new Xbox... assuming they still charge you for using Xbox Live... it just wouldn't work. I already paid for the damn console and game, I shouldn't need to pay even MORE just to play it!


I thought the always online was a form of DRM to help block used games/piracy? I see lots of people now treating them like 2 separate issues.


Personally I'd love GTA5 on the WiiU but if not I'll get the PC version - after seeing what it's like this time... GTA4 was so boring, it lost all the silly fun that used to make GTA great.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 08:40

Entity wrote:
Hommy Maiden wrote:I dont mind GTA at all, in fact i think is the most overrated game series ever.


But MANY people mind... But what I still don't get is why Pachter is only mentioning GTA. Does it look like other games or coming over. If so then 3rd parties will support the system. Or is that just his best example?


Agreed on GTA being one of the most overrated series in the world [but then people could level that at any popular property AKA Mario]. It just got 'so serious' and less whacky fun after Vice City for me - bigger and bigger overworlds just made the temptation to just run around and wreck crap [instead of seeing the story through] even moreso.

He mentions GTAV because it is the last big multi-platform game coming out this year for the PS360 [at least] - Watch Dogs next year will likely be a cross-gen game [PS360/WiiU/PS4/X-Box8/PC], but whether the last gen PS360 versions outsell the next-gen versions or not, the later ones will obviously be promoted far, far more.
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 14:18

Very disheartening to read that the Wii U won't see GTAV :(
User avatar
19 Feb 2013 15:18

@squeeb

You do know he's just speculating?
No Avatar
20 Feb 2013 08:50

Way to make a self fullfilling prophecy. People don't dare compete with Nintendo, they blame it on lacking sales, and so it comes true... even though the Wii sold well, they would release shovel games and use as an excuse for a poor market.

View the full discussion!

Quickie Search

"Advanced" Search

Anti-social Tendencies

Advertisements

RSS feed trough

News Feed
Top Stories
Console News
Portables News
Podcast Feed
GoNintendo Radio Feed
Twitter Feed

Affiliates + Friends

Destructoid
Gamersyde
Modojo
TheBitBlock
Anime Your Way