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RUMOR - Activision upset with Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 sales, says ports don't sell, no publisher enthusiasm (UPDATE)

UPDATE - This story turned out to be completely false. We can go back to being grumpy about other Wii U-related items!

This information come from an indie dev that supposedly got the inside scoop at D.I.C.E....

“Activision didn’t expect much from Wii U sales of Black Ops 2, but they sure didn’t expect it to be that abysmal. Activision gave Wii U owners the best version of Blops 2 with Off TV features, and Nintendo fans didn’t support it. It’s easy for Nintendo fans to trash publishers for not giving them ports, but publishers have wisened up. They realize Nintendo fans are all talk. Nintendo fans are vocal with their mouths, but when it’s time to open their wallets, they’ll spend that $60 on New Super Mario Bros instead.”

He went on to talk about publisher interest in general...

“There’s just no enthusiasm for it. The only reason publishers are still going to bring games to Wii U is because they don’t want to damage their relationship with Nintendo.”

Yep, those publishers and devs have us fans all figured out. Call of Duty with no DLC support, Mass Effect 3 while the entire trilogy goes to other systems (not to mention no DLC either). How about we see how Rayman does before we say Nintendo fans don't want ports/multiplatform games?

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01 Mar 2013 23:50

ridleysaria wrote:Blaming Nintendo fans is so low. I don't blame anyone for not buying substandard ports, which is what Nintendo always gets from third parties. Nintendo isn't completely blameless though as it's their job to ensure that Wii U gets top quality games. That's not going to happen when their platform is underpowered and lacks features (such as trophies).


you call trophies 'features', i call them 'pointless'.
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02 Mar 2013 00:14

"Best version" huh?

Best playing due to pointer controls maybe, but Blops 2 Wii U has constant framedrops, patches that break as much as they fix and no DLC.

Kenkaku wrote:

Third parties are literally incapable of thinking that they can be at fault in any way when things don't go well.


This, so very goddamn much this.
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02 Mar 2013 00:24

@reynard.

frame rate drops are in single player. no one plays
that. multiplayer is mint. -

activision wants to make money. the wii u version
is fantastic and they want to see better sales.
how can you fault them?
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Anonymous
02 Mar 2013 00:28

The WiiU version wasn't even advertised for Pete's sake, the wiiu logo wasn't even on the posters and merchandise. Oh yeah, and it came out five days later than the others, AND required a brand new console to play it. I own it, I love it, but getting the shaft on dlc and such is even more incentive for people to pick it up on the console.
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02 Mar 2013 00:30

bfx9 wrote:@reynard.

frame rate drops are in single player. no one plays
that. multiplayer is mint. -

activision wants to make money. the wii u version
is fantastic and they want to see better sales.
how can you fault them?


I do. I don't give half a crap about online multiplayer.

There's no excuse for doing a shovel job in any component of your game.
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02 Mar 2013 00:33

Damn right I'll buy New Super Mario Bros rather than Call of Duty. I wouldn't even want Call of Duty if they were giving it away for free. I buy plenty of third party games for Nintendo systems. What I don't buy are ports that are very crappily done, and FPS's. If they want us to buy something do as good of a job on it as they would on the other consoles. I think their problem is they take us for idiots that will buy anything they crap out and should feel privileged to have them. Maybe they should look at why we buy so many Nintendo games, because they are high quality and fun. Personally, I don't like FPS's, so I don't buy them no matter how many they put out.
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02 Mar 2013 00:44

KingBroly wrote:
TheDreamingHawk wrote:
What's your problem with VGchart's numbers? They aren't exact, but an estimate. What's bad about that?


They're not estimates. They're complete guesses that have no rationale. They're completely unreliable in every regard.


Where is your proof for that statement? Some people on other sites like nintendo life say that they are estimates... Which one is it? I'm confused...
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02 Mar 2013 00:46

ridleysaria wrote:Blaming Nintendo fans is so low. I don't blame anyone for not buying substandard ports, which is what Nintendo always gets from third parties. Nintendo isn't completely blameless though as it's their job to ensure that Wii U gets top quality games. That's not going to happen when their platform is underpowered and lacks features (such as trophies).


What's so important about a trophy or gamescore? Lots of games have in game achievements that work just fine. I am quite happy that wii U doesn't have a universal trophy system, for I don't want to get rewarded with 900 nintendo gamer points just for playing NSMBU 1,000,000 times.
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02 Mar 2013 00:48

Reynard wrote:
bfx9 wrote:@reynard.

frame rate drops are in single player. no one plays
that. multiplayer is mint. -

activision wants to make money. the wii u version
is fantastic and they want to see better sales.
how can you fault them?


I do. I don't give half a crap about online multiplayer.

There's no excuse for doing a shovel job in any component of your game.


I'd say you're in the minority.
online multiplayer is the point.
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02 Mar 2013 00:49

Are you really that dumb, Activision?

-Worse frame rate than 360/PS3 versions
-No DLC (I hate DLC as much as the next guy but withholding content that is expected to be released, same as all the other versions, is a pretty bogus move)
-Not 1080p even though it was said that it would be
-Expecting a game on a system that JUST CAME OUT and has 1/50th the install base of other systems to sell just as much
-The franchise being the same trite rubbish for the last six years anyway, and expecting the Nintendo demographic to be the same as the demographic you basically created on other systems

"B-but it has Off TV support! B-but we ported a licensed game from a year ago! It's the customer's fault!"

Yeah, no, get bent, if you want your games to sell put some freaking effort into them. You cannot think your game will sell five million with brand-recognition alone on a console that came out four months ago, especially when it is by all means a lackluster port of a tasteless game.
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02 Mar 2013 00:53

Since people seem mad at me that I call COD shovelware, I own th first COD BLOPS on PS3. The campaign was abysmal. So much unnecessary swearing. So many stupid plot turns that weren't really plot turns. So much bro-mance I wanted to puke.

Then I tried online. Anyone who has played Team Fortress 2 would laugh at COD's multiplayer. It's beyond inferior. And TF2 gets FREE updates all the time. And it's 5+ years old. COD charges you for any additions they make.

The best part was the zombie survival thing, but even that was inferior to L4D or L4D2.

So I stand by my comment. Compared to games in it's own genre, COD is very much shovelware.

And Mass Effect I'm not buying on Wii U because the whole point is to make the trilogy. So I'll do that on PC, whenever they get around to releasing ME3 for PC...
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02 Mar 2013 00:54

TheDreamingHawk wrote:
KingBroly wrote:
TheDreamingHawk wrote:
What's your problem with VGchart's numbers? They aren't exact, but an estimate. What's bad about that?


They're not estimates. They're complete guesses that have no rationale. They're completely unreliable in every regard.


Where is your proof for that statement? Some people on other sites like nintendo life say that they are estimates... Which one is it? I'm confused...


He's right though. Actually two high profile sites actually did a story on VGChartz a while ago, one of which was Gamasutra and the other I can't quite recall. Not sure if it was Eurogamer, N-Sider or even IGN, I'll have to track it down, but I know for sure Gamasutra did one.

The thing is, VGChartz has no real ties to sell in information regarding hardware/software, they estimate. Now, that isn't so bad but the problem is that they pass off their figures as reliable data but it's only reliable to the extent that VGChartz can actually verify that information against more legitimate sources like NPD or data released by publishers or developers themselves. Estimating data and then making amends to it when necessary is a good practice however it's not often that sales data beyond the highest grossing titles are ever actually released meaning whatever estimates are done on most of what VGChartz tracks is likely heavily flawed.

Sure, it's a nice resource for compiling all sorts of data but if most of the data is assumed as flawed based on VGChartz's own process then it's a useless source. Much in the same way schools won't accept Wikipedia as a source because of how malleable the data on its pages can be, a lot of people who discuss sales data won't accept VGChartz as a source for roughly the same reason. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's inherently useful.
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02 Mar 2013 01:19

Yeah, it's like these developers don't understand that Nintendo fans own other systems. They'll fork over the money, but we want AT LEAST the same experience.
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02 Mar 2013 01:57

sorbo wrote:Yeah, it's like these developers don't understand that Nintendo fans own other systems. They'll fork over the money, but we want AT LEAST the same experience.


To be fair BLOPS2 is a good effort on Wii U but I know some people were turned off by the unknown status of whether or not Nuketown would actually be on the Wii U version. Initial reservation notes suggested that it was supposed to be first run copies of the game and it literally wasn't up until near launch or even launch day that people found out that there was a problem regarding Nuketown actually being there, something Activision eventually cleared up by confirming what Wii U owners found out on their own. It was already somewhat bad PR from the start for that version on top of no definite answers regarding whether or not any of the DLC/map packs would be made available. Even now there is no clear answer.

But it is a good version. Launch day I only bought two games, Zombi U and BLOPS 2 followed by Mario and Tekken the following week on payday and I've enjoyed what I've played of it. My brother has put far more time in and it's easily his highest played game. As a CoD game, for what it is, Treyarch put in a great effort; it's the expectation of things beyond that which have somewhat soured the experience. No straight answers on extra content, patches breaking themselves and things of that nature.
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02 Mar 2013 02:18

COD. zzzzzzzzzz how unoriginal. why buy? guns. war. bore.
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Anonymous
02 Mar 2013 02:39

It really is payback for the half assed Wii versions of Call of Duty.
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02 Mar 2013 02:53

I never got Black Ops 2 simply because FPS games aren't the kind of games I enjoy playing, it's also because of this that I never got ZombiU.

I can see why FPS games are fun to some people, but they're not fun to me. What's the point of getting a game you know you won't enjoy playing?
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02 Mar 2013 03:09

TheDreamingHawk wrote:
ridleysaria wrote:Blaming Nintendo fans is so low. I don't blame anyone for not buying substandard ports, which is what Nintendo always gets from third parties. Nintendo isn't completely blameless though as it's their job to ensure that Wii U gets top quality games. That's not going to happen when their platform is underpowered and lacks features (such as trophies).


What's so important about a trophy or gamescore? Lots of games have in game achievements that work just fine. I am quite happy that wii U doesn't have a universal trophy system, for I don't want to get rewarded with 900 nintendo gamer points just for playing NSMBU 1,000,000 times.


It's important because there are quite a few gamers who actually care about them and will buy the games that add to their gamerscore. Given the choice between playing a game on PS3 that has trophies or the exact same game on Wii U that doesn't have them, I will pick the PS3 every time. You might not understand or care about achievements but Wii U is worse off for not having them. It's just like when games on Wii didn't have online, voice chat and DLC.... it made Nintendo a poor choice.
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02 Mar 2013 03:20

ridleysaria wrote:
TheDreamingHawk wrote:
ridleysaria wrote:Blaming Nintendo fans is so low. I don't blame anyone for not buying substandard ports, which is what Nintendo always gets from third parties. Nintendo isn't completely blameless though as it's their job to ensure that Wii U gets top quality games. That's not going to happen when their platform is underpowered and lacks features (such as trophies).


What's so important about a trophy or gamescore? Lots of games have in game achievements that work just fine. I am quite happy that wii U doesn't have a universal trophy system, for I don't want to get rewarded with 900 nintendo gamer points just for playing NSMBU 1,000,000 times.


It's important because there are quite a few gamers who actually care about them and will buy the games that add to their gamerscore. Given the choice between playing a game on PS3 that has trophies or the exact same game on Wii U that doesn't have them, I will pick the PS3 every time. You might not understand or care about achievements but Wii U is worse off for not having them. It's just like when games on Wii didn't have online, voice chat and DLC.... it made Nintendo a poor choice.


I agree, trophies are something the Wii U should have. I kind of hope they add something soon.

On the Call of Duty sales, I only bought it for the Wii U, because it was a great deal and the off screen play made it easy for me to play whenever. If the sale price was the same for the PS3 version, I probably would have bought that one. That is because I had a feeling at the time there would be no DLC for the Wii U. At $15 for a new copy though I figured what the hell.
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02 Mar 2013 03:43

Uhh... Guys like these are the reason I didn't buy the Wii U and regret buying my Wii (and my 3ds to a lesser extent). Most developers would never be caught dead saying stuff like this, but a heck load of them might as well be.

It's a losing equation for a console when tasteless ports don't sell. The amount of pressure on Nintendo is probably why this rigid agenda like releasing structure started making an appearance. I'm starting to see third party software on Nintendo consoles as shovelware, First party games (In house development) as third party games, and games from the likes of retro as first party when it comes to their overall quality.
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02 Mar 2013 03:46

Here's something to think about Activision and other third party publishers: Most people who have a Wii U and were interested in Black Ops 2, Mass Effect, etc. already owned it for another platform because they came out on other systems first. I own a Wii U. I LOVE Mass Effect. But guess what? I already owned Mass Effect 3 for 8 months once it came out for Wii U. Assassin's Creed? Already owned it before the Wii U came out. Black Ops 2? Owned it. FIFA? Owned it. Darksiders 2? Owned it.

Once games start coming out at the SAME TIME for the Wii U I will gladly purchase the Wii U version over the 360 version. I will DEFINITELY be getting Watch_Dogs, Assassin's Creed 4, Rayman Legends, a new Mass Effect, and any other big games for the Wii U as long as they aren't downgraded in any way.
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02 Mar 2013 03:48

Never ever blame the consumer.

Of course it's tough to bring a big franchise that is succesful on other systems to a new system. Not many fans will buy it for the new system, since they don't have that system!

A thing that is true though, is that these typical 'hardcore' games will have a hard time on a Nintendo console. The target group is very wide and many hardcore gamers don't want a console that ALSO focusses on kids and their moms.
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02 Mar 2013 03:56

TheEyeProjects wrote:Never ever blame the consumer.

Of course it's tough to bring a big franchise that is succesful on other systems to a new system. Not many fans will buy it for the new system, since they don't have that system!

A thing that is true though, is that these typical 'hardcore' games will have a hard time on a Nintendo console. The target group is very wide and many hardcore gamers don't want a console that ALSO focusses on kids and their moms.


But the problem with the gaming industry is that for a long time it has been 'blame the consumer' if a game fails in any fashion. Look at EA when they shelved Medal of Honor because of Warfighter's poor sales. They blamed consumers primarily, followed by what they called "unjust review scores." Rarely does a company say 'we're at fault over X's failure in the marketplace.'
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02 Mar 2013 04:06

Can someone from GoNintendo give us an email of activision so we can reply to all the above? (their site only has a phone number, not an email and I don't want to waste money calling overseas)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... u-face-off

Wii U is the best version? On WHAT universe? Also THIS IS A PRIMARILY MULTIPLAYER GAME!!!! THERE ARE MORE GAMERS ON COMPETING PLATFORMS, where do you fail to understand that?

As for myself, stop with the health regeneration bullshit, the linear level design, ADD some bloody secrets to the levels and then I MAY buy your crap. Until then it's just Skylanders for me (the actual game is nothing spectacular either, a substandard kid friendly dungeon brawler but it is still quite likeable) My interests as a gamer are very broad (from S-E to Bethesda and from Platinum Games to well... Skylanders) yet there are very few activision games that interest me. THINK ABOUT IT (and stop reusing assets from older COD games to newer ones for the love of God)
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02 Mar 2013 04:11

Okay, I'm locking this.

Why?
- This is a rumor created by a WordPress blog created less than 24 hours ago. Credibility? Not much, if any.
- The twitter account in question only has 3 posts to their credit. Again, where's the credibility?

The article in question has very little to back up its' claims other than hyperbole. If this turns out to be accurate, fine, I'll re-open this. But for now, no. This has gone on far enough.

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