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Need for Speed: Most Wanted - Wii U NOT receiving more DLC

Turns out Criterion's Alex Ward didn't originally understand the question when he tweeted about Wii U DLC for Need for Speed: Most Wanted. We already know that the first DLC pack is included with the game, but Ward finally clarified that there are 'No plans at present' for future DLC. What the hell is up with Wii U devs and their lack of DLC support? Thanks to Dim for the heads up.

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17 Mar 2013 10:30

At the same time. I'll watch and see if there is DLC before I decide to buy. It's the same thing...
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17 Mar 2013 10:53

My guess this is more about EA than about Criterion. Since the initial DLC is included as well as additional modes, nothing else on which to have to spend money is fine with me.

I don't expect this game to be easily found. A lot for EA's releases have been done in a way to "fail" so it can say it does not have to support the platform. This is a calculated move that could backfire, especially considering there is not guarantee that the PS4 or XboxNext will be quick sellers immediately. Given global economic conditions, suggested price points ($429 USD/$529 USD for PS4), and co tinned support for existing platforms, that might not be surprising.

(It is also worth noting that third party multiplatofrm games often never saw price reductions that occurred on other platforms. Regardless of the causes, it does make it difficult to compare sales when lower prices caused a second-wave of buyers on other systems.)

What has me more worried is the lack of shelf space at many retailers for the WiiU. If I go into Wal-Mart and only see 15 games, why would I want to buy the system?

Look for a price cut between the beginning of Fall and "Black Friday." My guess is the deluxe goes to $300 USD.
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17 Mar 2013 11:13

The only thing that matters is that the game includes all previousllay released DLC, it has exclusive content, and it has the best graphics out of all console versions. What are we complaining about again? If we support this awesome game and it sells we'll get the dlc. I got my copy pre-ordered. Also with a 40% sales increase and with Pikmin 3, Boyonetta 2, Game & Wario, and the Wonderful 101 on the horizon Nintendo shouldn't have to make a price cut any time soon.
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17 Mar 2013 11:24

Those of you who are pulling your support for the game now or telling others to pick up another version realize that you are part of the problem, right?

If the game sells well enough, you can bet Wii U will see the future DLC packs. EA and other publishers will take note and DLC won't be as much of a question mark for future games as it is now for current releases. So I suggest instead of throwing a fit about it, you support high quality 3rd Party games like this and then we can have nice things, too.
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17 Mar 2013 12:00

And I called them "classy!"

I guess if this is paid DLC we are talking about, (is it?) then we got the better deal by getting what already is available for free...
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17 Mar 2013 12:18

DonnyDarko420 wrote:Those of you who are pulling your support for the game now or telling others to pick up another version realize that you are part of the problem, right?

If the game sells well enough, you can bet Wii U will see the future DLC packs. EA and other publishers will take note and DLC won't be as much of a question mark for future games as it is now for current releases. So I suggest instead of throwing a fit about it, you support high quality 3rd Party games like this and then we can have nice things, too.

I agree. People complain about not getting 3rd party games, but then turn around and shun a title which just perpetuates the problem. We don't know why they're saying no DLC, but it's probably because they're not expecting much from this port. If it's successful, maybe that changes. But, the game sounds worth it regardless.
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17 Mar 2013 12:54

Alex Ward @ AlexanderJWard 29m
@mariobros27772 Only one way to solve this.
Support the game. If the sales are there it
makes sense to do the DLC. Simple as that.
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17 Mar 2013 12:57

EA manages titles poorly. I know in two months the game will be half price. That is rare for Nintendo titles. If I wait two months I get 2 for 1. If I buy now I get remorse when my purchase didn't get me the DLC anyway.
I spend a lot on games and am definitely not part of the problem (look at my 100 game Wii library for further proof).
However, I pick my battles, and not expecting DLC from day 1 makes me think this game is not the battle for me.
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17 Mar 2013 13:40

And the fans get blamed for not buying these games. What a joke.
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17 Mar 2013 13:47

I just want some new 1st Party Wii U games so badly
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17 Mar 2013 15:46

Well it sucks that the Wii U version will be missing out on some DLC, yet is the best version in other ways. But it's been, what, six months since this originally launched on the other systems? I still play the PS Vita version to this day without any of the DLC. It's got a pretty big amount of content right from the start, but I don't want it to sound like I'm making an excuse for EA not even giving the option of future DLC.


Uranio23 wrote:Many of my friends still think Wii U is just the tablet for the old Wii (for real). Therefore they would never think about getting one WiiU as its just an accessory for the old Wii.


Well it's obvious Nintendo's marketing team sucks at their job so you should do it for them and inform your friends they're wrong.
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17 Mar 2013 16:48

I honestly think they honestly are just going for early adopters right now and they are probably planning on marketing it better once more games are out.

As for the DLC, yeah, the game probably has the content that it's worth it without the DLC, but not offering any and all DLC other systems get creates a bad image either way, and there isn't going to be a market for third-parties because no one is going to buy games where it seems like the companies releasing them don't give a crap about the Wii U versions/audience, and it's their own fault, not the fans'.

I still bought CoD, and it's definitely worth my money despite no DLC, but if this is how they are going to treat us, I'm not buying another one. I guarantee that if no CoD DLC is ever released, they may as well not bother with porting the next one, because it will do even worse because the fans still feel cheated, despite there being enough content, but we will all get the blame.

Either these companies are doing this on purpose to create a bad image for Nintendo, or they really are just that stupid. It's a waste of time and money to even release the game when you are openly saying you aren't going to support the game and destroying any market you may have had.
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17 Mar 2013 17:08

FadedAreWii wrote:I honestly think they honestly are just going for early adopters right now and they are probably planning on marketing it better once more games are out.

As for the DLC, yeah, the game probably has the content that it's worth it without the DLC, but not offering any and all DLC other systems get creates a bad image either way, and there isn't going to be a market for third-parties because no one is going to buy games where it seems like the companies releasing them don't give a crap about the Wii U versions/audience, and it's their own fault, not the fans'.

I still bought CoD, and it's definitely worth my money despite no DLC, but if this is how they are going to treat us, I'm not buying another one. I guarantee that if no CoD DLC is ever released, they may as well not bother with porting the next one, because it will do even worse because the fans still feel cheated, despite there being enough content, but we will all get the blame.

Either these companies are doing this on purpose to create a bad image for Nintendo, or they really are just that stupid. It's a waste of time and money to even release the game when you are openly saying you aren't going to support the game and destroying any market you may have had.


No. The companies are doing it because it's not worth the time and money to create DLC for a practically non-existent userbase who bought the game. By purposefully not buying the game out of spite, you're only furthering the problem. Third parties have no obligation to put any game out for the Wii U or make any DLC for it. They will only develop it if they see it as a worthwhile investment. Creating DLC for a game which hardly anyone will buy is the actual waste of time and money.

It really is a chicken and egg problem.
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17 Mar 2013 17:56

gbpackers31 wrote:
FadedAreWii wrote:I honestly think they honestly are just going for early adopters right now and they are probably planning on marketing it better once more games are out.

As for the DLC, yeah, the game probably has the content that it's worth it without the DLC, but not offering any and all DLC other systems get creates a bad image either way, and there isn't going to be a market for third-parties because no one is going to buy games where it seems like the companies releasing them don't give a crap about the Wii U versions/audience, and it's their own fault, not the fans'.

I still bought CoD, and it's definitely worth my money despite no DLC, but if this is how they are going to treat us, I'm not buying another one. I guarantee that if no CoD DLC is ever released, they may as well not bother with porting the next one, because it will do even worse because the fans still feel cheated, despite there being enough content, but we will all get the blame.

Either these companies are doing this on purpose to create a bad image for Nintendo, or they really are just that stupid. It's a waste of time and money to even release the game when you are openly saying you aren't going to support the game and destroying any market you may have had.


No. The companies are doing it because it's not worth the time and money to create DLC for a practically non-existent userbase who bought the game. By purposefully not buying the game out of spite, you're only furthering the problem. Third parties have no obligation to put any game out for the Wii U or make any DLC for it. They will only develop it if they see it as a worthwhile investment. Creating DLC for a game which hardly anyone will buy is the actual waste of time and money.

It really is a chicken and egg problem.


No, it's not a chicken and egg game. A developer who took the time, money, and labor to bring a product to a system only to not support the game is stupid. Why bring the game to the system in the first place? Gamers on the WiiU who purchase the game are just as deserving of the developers efforts as the gamers on any other system. Why is it that Nintendo systems are test case while the other systems are not? EA released download content on the other platforms regardless of the fanbase of the series. Dead Space 3 is a prime example.
Furthermore, developers are sabatoging their efforts by telling WiiU gamers that we do not care about you or your preferred system. If you wanted to get the full experience from our game then you should have bought another system. When gamers who purchased the game find out that new content is available on the other systems. They will not support the developer again. This start that old mantra again, Gamers on Nintendo systems only by games made by Nintendo. Developers never look at the part that they have played.
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17 Mar 2013 18:07

@gbpackers31
The problem with this logic is that the DLC is already made. Porting isn't as expensive especially since they already got the game up and running.

Especially since people WILL buy the DLC. If the game sells 200k, I'm sure at least 10k will buy the DLC.
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17 Mar 2013 22:05

@patjuan32
@Autosaver

Because DLC is only worth creating if the userbase is large enough and active enough. 200k seems like a lot for an old port like Need For Speed. The other old ports sold terribly.

You can say the same thing about any game - the game is already made, you just have to port if over. But those resources are wasted if you can't sell enough and get a large enough return on investment. And like you pointed out, Autosaver, a large percentage of the user base will not buy the DLC. When you have such a small number of people buying the game in the first place, it doesn't make sense to spend the resources porting the DLC over for a few thousand sales.

And yes, it is a chicken and egg problem for most 3rd parties. They're not going to support the system if they cannot sell a reasonable amount to justify the time and money spent in creating or porting a game/DLC over. And on the other hand, gamers are not going to buy their products when they don't offer equal support across platforms.

It's a vicious cycle, and much of this lies firmly with Nintendo, in their history with 3rd parties/poor software sales/target demographics and their current practices and failures with the Wii U, especially marketing and creating an install base for these types of games.
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18 Mar 2013 01:35

Those resources are automatically wasted if they choose not to support the game, because people will find something from Nintendo, or other third-party that seems to be trying and they feel they can trust. If the argument is, "why would they bring DLC to a market that isn't going to buy the game", then why even bring the game out to a market you know isn't going to buy the game? That's stupid. At least supporting it would give it a chance.
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18 Mar 2013 06:31

Conniption-Fit wrote:Or if I take off my tinfoil hat, maybe just maybe, they want to see how well it does before they put the effort into porting the DLC? Just a thought guys.


This. Unbunch the panties, we all know EA are becoming The Empire, but they won'g ignore cash if it's there for the taking.

And to those saying you won't buy now, thank you for single-handedly proving them right.
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18 Mar 2013 06:36

Thought this game had a chance to sell well on Wii U.

With one statement, he changed everything. Way to go developers!
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18 Mar 2013 16:04

BowsersLoveChild wrote:

And to those saying you won't buy now, thank you for single-handedly proving them right.


I hope that's a joke. We are expected to buy a game they are openly saying they have no plans for any future support even though other systems will get it? They aren't even trying to lie and say it's a possibility, they are just saying no. We aren't proving anyone right but Nintendo fans that have been saying third-parties don't try on Nintendo systems, and until they do, they won't have a market.

As for it MAYBE coming if the game sells, no one is going to buy the game on that slight chance, and the attitude they don't give a crap is still there from the start.
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18 Mar 2013 16:54

FadedAreWii wrote:
BowsersLoveChild wrote:

And to those saying you won't buy now, thank you for single-handedly proving them right.


I hope that's a joke. We are expected to buy a game they are openly saying they have no plans for any future support even though other systems will get it? They aren't even trying to lie and say it's a possibility, they are just saying no. We aren't proving anyone right but Nintendo fans that have been saying third-parties don't try on Nintendo systems, and until they do, they won't have a market.

As for it MAYBE coming if the game sells, no one is going to buy the game on that slight chance, and the attitude they don't give a crap is still there from the start.


This.

Third parties don't really cultivate fanbases on Nintendo systems - the internet age has produced more savvy-gamers [amongst more whiny, spoiled ones], shoppers etc., so what do they honestly expect with such decisions?

Nintendo gamers being treated as Second-Class Citizens is all too true.
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18 Mar 2013 19:40

Any bets Monster Hunter Destroys Need for Speed in sales, a game in which you can tell the third-party actually cares about it.
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18 Mar 2013 20:29

Before this, everyone was praising Criterion for actually creating a solid port actually utilizing Wii U's hardware and improving on the 360/PS3 versions. Now all of a sudden people are treating them like scum because they're not expecting the game to sell well enough to warrant porting DLC at this time.

Alex Ward said on Twitter that if you want DLC, buy the game :
https://twitter.com/AlexanderJWard/status/313324536567300097

If they didn't care about the Wii U, they would never have taken the time to utilize the improved hardware.
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18 Mar 2013 22:47

gbpackers31 wrote:Before this, everyone was praising Criterion for actually creating a solid port actually utilizing Wii U's hardware and improving on the 360/PS3 versions. Now all of a sudden people are treating them like scum because they're not expecting the game to sell well enough to warrant porting DLC at this time.

Alex Ward said on Twitter that if you want DLC, buy the game :
https://twitter.com/AlexanderJWard/status/313324536567300097

If they didn't care about the Wii U, they would never have taken the time to utilize the improved hardware.


You are pointing out exactly what we are saying. Everyone was hyped for it, then you come out and say no future plans to support it, surprise, everyone is pissed. What's not to understand and what's so bad about us being upset that we get shortchanged extra content. Again, if the market is so little you can't offer DLC to the people that do throw down $60 for your game, then don't release it at all, because all you are doing is giving yourself a bad image and shrinking any market you may have had instead of trying to build it.

Likely the game won't sell as much, but you will still have that fanbase you built and showed they could trust you, and maybe your sequel will do better. Throwing a game out there, telling the people that are going to buy it, "oh well", is only going to screw this game over and any future sequel, even if they try there ass off on it and it's Wii U exclusive. People will remember getting shortchanged. There is no way justifying this.

Also, as much as that quote says buy the game and you will get it, I guarantee it's just a comment to try save a little face. It shouldn't be, "buy the game and MAYBE get it", it should be, "we care about anyone that buys this game and want to make sure they have our full support and the fullest experience we can offer because we want their support."
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19 Mar 2013 00:05

Wait, so developers/publishers wait to see what the install base will be like before committing to DLC? Thats weird, I remember plenty of times DLC being announced months ahead of release or day one DLC being announced before a single copy was even sold. I guess those guys were confident in their product ahead of time to commit resources and time to create add-ons to something that might not even sell. I think if you are truly committed to creating a great product and you want to reward the fans who buy it, then you plan on making DLC. You definitely don't come out a couple days before release and say that you don't have any plans for future support.

On a side note, i don't care about the DLC myself. I just find the argument that they are waiting for sales as bogus. I'm sure even Criterion was working on DLC for the other versions before they sold any copies.

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