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GN Podcast #480

EoD - Smash Wii U!
 

Years later, Cliffy B. agrees that the Wii was a 'virus'

Remember back in 2008 when Epic's Mike Capps said the Wii was a virus?

"It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on."

Here we are in April 2013, which is when Cliffy B. decides to side with that statement.

...if I departed from Epic every time I said something dumb I wouldn’t have made it the last 10 years there. (P.S. Mike Capps was right…the Wii was a virus after all.)

I guess the Wii was a virus for some people. They didn't bother to see what was on the system beyond the pack-ins. On the other hand, there were millions that experienced much of what the system had to offer, that goes for 2008 and beyond. I bet XSEED doesn't think the Wii was a virus, considering how The Last Story is their best-selling title ever.

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11 Apr 2013 21:49

WarioFan63 wrote:Didn't this guy love Zack and Wiki?

How can a man love Zack and Wiki but insult the Wii.

This is a sad life we live.

...why do those have to go hand-in-hand?
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Anonymous
11 Apr 2013 21:51

I like that the guy who made a super big show of removing himself from this industry after his failure is still being listened to.
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11 Apr 2013 22:15

You could say that Wii went "viral" in that its success grew very quickly via word-of-mouth. Calling it a virus, though, sounds kind of like calling it a disease, which doesn't come across very nice.

It's very true that Nintendo was at the right place at the right time with Wii, but some people think it was just a fad, when there were definite, fundamentally sound reasons for its success. The sad thing is that Nintendo has played right into this. They did this first by not releasing many good full motion control games for Wii other than Wii Sports (they made 2 quality games that used Motion Plus, and farmed out 2 cheap Wii Remote Plus pack-ins, absolutely pathetic), then by releasing some stinkers later in its lifespan, then by letting the system die off due to nearly abandoning it after 2010, and now they've abandoned some of the original concept with Wii U. Their new system may share the Wii name, but in a number of ways it's more like Gamecube 2.0.
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11 Apr 2013 22:36

well, i also know people that has a ps3 and only 2 or 3 games and hardly uses it ...
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11 Apr 2013 22:45

Always think it's hilarious when devs that never worked on the Wii comment on it like this. Bias is such a funny thing.
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11 Apr 2013 23:00

DeAngelo Guillory wrote:
Hamr wrote:I am not certain why people are taking such offense at the word 'virus' -- that is essentially how positive word of mouth works. It is a good thing.


I couldn't care less about the virus statement. I just wanted to dump on him for his Tumblr and his quip on Roger Ebert.

If it is the person and not the statement you take issue with, I can respect that.

Jerome wrote:You could say that Wii went "viral" in that its success grew very quickly via word-of-mouth. Calling it a virus, though, sounds kind of like calling it a disease, which doesn't come across very nice.

So instead of saying "The Wii is a virus", he should have used a word that means "The Wii is of, pertaining to, or caused by a virus"? That seems like a distinction without a difference.
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11 Apr 2013 23:15

Well, for the majority of Wii owners, he's not really wrong...

A bit overly reductive, but that's more or less what happened
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11 Apr 2013 23:39

Anclation wrote:...but knowing this site, every future negative Cliffy B comment about Nintendo will be dutifully reported, without much pushback

Honestly, I don't know why a lot of people complain about the things RMC posts. Generally if it's Nintendo related he'll post it, be it good or bad. I for one, like to see how the rest of the gaming community/developers view Nintendo. If you don't want to read it then don't. Jeez these complaints about posts are getting old...
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12 Apr 2013 01:06

zeeroid wrote:Well, for the majority of Wii owners, he's not really wrong...

A bit overly reductive, but that's more or less what happened


Millions of hours of playtime on Nintendo Channel prove you both wrong.

As for the virus comment being a good thing; "So you stop playing it after two months". It was clearly said in a negative way, and it's wrong, and can be proven wrong.
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12 Apr 2013 01:50

plan9 wrote:Epic only likes exaggerated dudes with oiled muscles in HD.


Who doesn't? :lol:
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12 Apr 2013 01:53

DeAngelo Guillory wrote:Blezinski's gone the way of Mickey Rooney.

Had charm, success, such legacy -- then his brain went to sh*t and he started spouting half-baked opinions that were out of touch and rage inducing.



That is honestly an insult to Mickey Rooney, who was once one of the most relevant men in Hollywood.

"Cliffy B" was NEVER all THAT relevant. He just talks a lot. Squeaky wheels get grease.
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12 Apr 2013 01:58

It's rather funny when you think about it, as the only good thing Epic has ever done was the Unreal Tournament games, everything else they have made is mediocre.

Although Jazz Jackrabbit did have an awesome soundtrack.
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12 Apr 2013 02:17

FadedAreWii wrote:As for the virus comment being a good thing; "So you stop playing it after two months". It was clearly said in a negative way, and it's wrong, and can be proven wrong.

And said by someone else.

Or are we saying that agreeing with one thing that a person says mean you automatically endorse everything he or she said?

Magolor wrote:It's rather funny when you think about it, as the only good thing Epic has ever done was the Unreal Tournament games, everything else they have made is mediocre.

As much as it pains me to say, they did make a better Metroid game than any of the ones Nintendo produced in the last eight years.
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12 Apr 2013 02:21

Hahaha, what a jerk.
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12 Apr 2013 03:53

While this statement may be a massive over exaggeration, his statement holds some truth imo. I had a "hey look" moment with my wii too which had a couple of my friends running off to get their own. Waiting for the first party titles to trickle in ultimately made them lose interest in their wii's and they moved on and didn't come back even when those games hit.
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12 Apr 2013 05:14

lacking in class/tact, but also holding some truth

too many simply did not have the drive to explore other games on the console, or they were avid gamers and either assumed that nothing aside from 1st party titles were worth while, or were resigned to not play any games outside of that big name first party realm. it's kind of a bittersweet chapter in the ongoing annals of Nintendo history.
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12 Apr 2013 05:16

Wii was outstanding console and its biggest, and only big, problem was media hegemony, which ultimately suffocated it to (near) death too early. Same almost happened to 3DS and its greatly affecting Wii U right now.

As always; because there are bankruptcy inducing investments into games, and especially in HD-games, and Nintendo is, and specifically Wii was doing something which was going to grow in other direction of those investments, so instead of adjusting their strategies, everyone did their best to support their own investments and hinder those viruses who were eating their profits. But who was hindering who?

Its just that the Nintendo does so amazingly healthy business in this industry, that even without much support from any one else, and even in heavy shovel rain, it just doesn't seem to be able to be defeated so easily.

I am 100% sure that gaming industry would look a bit different, if a couple of developers did the wise thing and didn't go where hegemony and popular opinion was telling them to go. For example, Factor 5 and Free Radical alone would have made a big difference to the gaming industry map. Factor 5 had great knowledge about Wii's architecture, and even their GameCube engine would have been competitive in Wii market, let alone, how they would have been able to enhance it on Wii. Free Radical could also been able to just throw their engine with minor enhancements to the Wii, that was STARVING for decent FPS for mind blowingly long time considering how widespread the console was, and especially, how interesting, and ultimately proved control method it had.
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12 Apr 2013 07:26

To quote Brian Williams (who said this about Donald Trump but it applies to this Cliff B guy)
"who has driven well past the last exit to relevance and peered into something closer to irresponsible here"
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12 Apr 2013 07:36

Work on that wording, B.
A virus, and something having viral properties are different. You say the first, but I'm sure if you were pressed on this, you'd say you meant the second.
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12 Apr 2013 10:13

Hamr wrote:So instead of saying "The Wii is a virus", he should have used a word that means "The Wii is of, pertaining to, or caused by a virus"? That seems like a distinction without a difference.

I was talking about the connotation of the recently-popularized slang term 'viral', not its dictionary definition.
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12 Apr 2013 13:15

I wonder how many times I'm going to have to post that Nintendo Channel playtime hours prove that there is absolutely no truth to what he said at all. Of course there were a few that picked it up and then didn't touch it later, I'm sure that can be said of any videogame system. Hell, I barely ever touch my 3DS I bought on launch day, I'm just not a big handheld gamer. Guess I'll go around calling it a virus that people bought and then never played afterwards based off my own experience.
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13 Apr 2013 00:34

Jerome wrote:I was talking about the connotation of the recently-popularized slang term 'viral', not its dictionary definition.

I am not certain I would agree that the connotation between the two is significantly different, given that it is still the same word, just in in adjective form.

(Nor do I think that using it in the electronic sense that refers to the spread of malicious software or internet fads would necessarily be more positive a connotation.)
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Anonymous
13 Apr 2013 01:43

He's still hurt that Cooking Mama outsold Gears of War.
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13 Apr 2013 10:34

Hamr wrote:
Jerome wrote:I was talking about the connotation of the recently-popularized slang term 'viral', not its dictionary definition.

I am not certain I would agree that the connotation between the two is significantly different, given that it is still the same word, just in in adjective form.

(Nor do I think that using it in the electronic sense that refers to the spread of malicious software or internet fads would necessarily be more positive a connotation.)

I don't think we need to get that technical. When something is said to have "gone viral", that seems to mean it suddenly became very popular through word-of-mouth or similar person-to-person means. That does not, however, mean that its popularity is necessarily short-lived, as things which have maintained long-term popularity have sometimes started out in this manner. Here, Mr. Bleszinski is obviously referring to Wii with the implication that, like a cold virus, it had its run and quickly died out.

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